Captain America: Civil War Trailer #1 Debut

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No. Wakanda is a hermit nation that hasn't allowed outsiders within its borders since forever. They have the most valuable and versatile mineral on Earth and are completely cut off from the rest of the world, including surrounding African countries. No one messes with Wakanda because Wakanda had a massive developmental head start compared to Western powers and is therefore the most technologically advanced society on the planet.

Just to let you know whenever Sub-Zero posts something like that, he's being sarcastic.
 
Nah. Cap is iconic. been around since 1941 and most people could identify him on sight even if his sales weren't breaking records.

like superman and wolverine, Cap's archetype as the patriotic superhero wrapped in the flag and fighting for american ideals has been ripped off by every other comics company several times, and shows up fairly frequently in other media.



panther appears to be running from what looks like a police car with cap behind him. curious- maybe this is a point where he switches sides?

Black Panther will spend the entire movie on the right side, HIS.

Bucky, what has you done to yourself?!


TeamStark vs TeamHelpAMurderedEscapeBecauseReasons.
 
Just to let you know whenever Sub-Zero posts something like that, he's being sarcastic.
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No. Wakanda is a hermit nation that hasn't allowed outsiders within its borders since forever. They have the most valuable and versatile mineral on Earth and are completely cut off from the rest of the world, including surrounding African countries. No one messes with Wakanda because Wakanda had a massive developmental head start compared to Western powers and is therefore the most technologically advanced society on the planet.

You're getting trolled by a lazy troll attempt.
 
Great unexpected trailer - straight up full one with no 30 second teaser, just the way I like it.

Black Panther's head is perfect, love the silver bits, wouldn't change a thing.

His neck piece, forearms and hands look dead-on good. What looks a bit lackluster but still fine is his torso. What would fix it for me is more definition so that he looks more ripped there, as it just looks bulky right now. The colors are perfect the way they are, he doesn't need any more silver there, the black on shiny black is great.

It's already so good with all of these characters in it, and they didn't even show Spidey, if he's really supposed to be in it. If he shows up in the next trailer, I just might lose it, which is their plan for sure.
 
Yeah, but dude...the difference there is that Thor is a God, who's like, as strong as the Hulk if not stronger!

I do get your points though. I'll have to keep all that in mind when seeing the finished film.

Thor is a Demigod. He can be killed. But I get where you're coming from.

Also note whenever Tony was about to fire, they tossed the shield over to block / hit him with it. Bucky and Cap are coordinated.
 
No Spidey shown in the trailer but in the end of that double team on Iron Man Spidey will pop up to save Stark and kick the living day lights out of Bucky and Capt!
 
How is it possible some guy in Africa can develop a super soldier serum?
It seems like GAF loves this Black panther dude, but i think he is a rather obscure super hero?
Super heroes, aliens, gods, robots.......but African scientists, you've gone too fucking far marvel!
 
How is it possible some guy in Africa can develop a super soldier serum?
It seems like GAF loves this Black panther dude, but i think he is a rather obscure super hero?

Wakanda (Marvel Northeast African nation) is where Vibranium (what Cap's shield is made of) is at. A meteorite crashed in Wakanda in the distant past containing Vibranium. It's what led to Wakanda becoming one of the most technologically advanced nations. Vibranium radiation permeated the land of Wakanda, including the Heart-Shaped Herb that is eaten by the Black Panther Cult. And to add some extra: Adamantium (Wolverine's skeleton/claws) (also Ultron in the comics) was created as Myron McClain tried to replicate Vibranium.

There was a slightly different version of Vibranium that was discovered in Antartica 10,000 years ago that could dissolve other metals; but the soundwave/energy absorbing Vibranium is what is used and talked about.

Black Panther wears a suit made of Vibranium, is a trained martial artist, and a genius. And he gets superhuman senses and abilities from a Panther God. He lost connection and went to an unknown Panther deity, too.
 
As much as RDJ sold that "So was I" line, I feel that the MCU so far hasn't really shown Cap and Tony as close friends to make that line really effective.

And man, even if the actual moments in the trailer are hype as hell, visually speaking it looks below BvS and SS.
 
"Iron Man was nerfed"

What the fuck? No he wasn't. He clearly didn't want to cut his friend in half by firing a laser. He's holding back, they're only beating him down so badly because they know the armor will protect Tony too.
 
I have a feeling that scene with Stark holding Rhodey is what actually pushes Tony into an opposing view over Cap. Maybe it is near the beginning of the movie and Rhodes is hurt by Crossbones or Zemo, such as in the rumored
suicide bomb explosion scene
 
Damn, high-quality action figures have come a long way since I was a kid - aside from the crazy-good detail, there's no visible joints anymore, it's all cloth/costume now. And it really makes them look so much better. Good stuff.

They're also expensive as fuck lol but definitely worth it. Amazing craftsmanship
 
As much as RDJ sold that "So was I" line, I feel that the MCU so far hasn't really shown Cap and Tony as close friends to make that line really effective.

And man, even if the actual moments in the trailer are hype as hell, visually speaking it looks below BvS and SS.

Agreed. They've been antagonistic towards each other since day one. There was a brief period when they weren't at the end of the first Avengers, but they were back to being annoyed with each other in AoU.
 

I'm dead.

As much as RDJ sold that "So was I" line, I feel that the MCU so far hasn't really shown Cap and Tony as close friends to make that line really effective.

They're snarky with each other, but they're definitely brothers in arms. War brings a hell of a bond.

And remember, Tony just snarks because it's a defense mechanism. He's clearly a very emotional human being.
 
I really only see this on gaf, tbh. This may just be a case of confirmation bias on both our ends though. From what I've seen, The Avengers continues to get just as much praise elsewhere online and in real life as it did when it came out.

It's OK to want certain things from your movies and be displeased when those criteria aren't met but sometimes it seems less about whether or not a movie is good and more a question of how well they fit a strict set of criteria. Structurally, the primary obstacle in the first Avengers movie wasn't the invasion or even Loki, it was bringing the team together. The climax is a 40 minute long hoo-rah. And guess what? It works! Even if it only really reaches its peak entertainment potential on the first watch, it still works. That's why it was as popular as it was when it released.

I agree with you.

Avengers has 92% on RT
Avengers AoU has 74% on RT

Seems fair to me. I really enjoyed avengers when I first watched it. I can rewatch other action movies tons of times, but Avengers was dead after 2 or 3 viewings.
 
This is exactly what I mean. Less Hawkeye? I loved those scenes! Crazy.

I thought Avengers AoU was incredibly entertaining. I also loved the Hawkeye scenes. Whedon (who I'm not the biggest fan of in any way, shape, or form), did a great job of making Clint the heart of the team. Tony is an egomaniac. Banner is a PTSD gamma irradiated super brain, Natasha is a "heartless" assassin, Thor is an Asgardian "god," Vision is, well, Vision, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are traumatized meta-humans with a thirst for revenge. Hawkeye is the most human and relatable out of the entire Avenger's roster on film.

Having those scenes on the farm, his back and forth with Quicksilver, his heart to heart with Scarlet Witch in the finale, his quipping and Danny Glover esque "getting to old for this shit" characterization brought some levity and warmth to the film.

I think Spader's Ultron was awesome. Not every Marvel villain needs to be Loki. The worst antagonists they've had have been Ronan and Eccleston's dark elf dude. The other villains in the films have been well cast, well acted, and interesting ( I really dug Cross in Ant Man; he was unhinged and scary, even before he put on the Yellow Jacket suit. He was an anti Hank Pym). Age of Ultron was a solid, fun Avenger's movie. Re-watching it for the second time has given me even more appreciation for it.

But, you know, this is NeoGAF. If it's not GOAT, it's Dogshit. There is no middle ground, gray areas.
 
these toys actually look pretty good..except for spidey. where can I get the captain america and war machine ones

Damn those are some high quality action figures

Damn, high-quality action figures have come a long way since I was a kid - aside from the crazy-good detail, there's no visible joints anymore, it's all cloth/costume now. And it really makes them look so much better. Good stuff.

They better look good since they're $200+ each. They're Hot Toys figures.
 
COMIC SPOILER:
I wonder if Steve will actually die in this one like in the comic? Dies in this film, gets resurrected in time for Infinity War Part 2?
 
Agreed. They've been antagonistic towards each other since day one. There was a brief period when they weren't at the end of the first Avengers, but they were back to being annoyed with each other in AoU.

"Annoyed with" is pretty far from being enemies.

They were at odds for pretty much the entirety of Age of Ultron, argued and exchanged some real blows during the Vision episode, but still managed to remain friends at the end, saying they'd miss having eachother on the team.

Up until that point yeah, they didn't interact enough to be really close. But I think age of Ultron showed how close they've become.
 
Nah. Cap is iconic. been around since 1941 and most people could identify him on sight even if his sales weren't breaking records.

like superman and wolverine, Cap's archetype as the patriotic superhero wrapped in the flag and fighting for american ideals has been ripped off by every other comics company several times, and shows up fairly frequently in other media.



panther appears to be running from what looks like a police car with cap behind him. curious- maybe this is a point where he switches sides?

One thing I would like to add to this is , with regards to Cap is a lot of people who weren't around during that time (all of us) who are US citizens or otherwise like to project our assumptions about that time onto Captain America. A few interviews with Joe Simon and Jack Kirby reveal the true climate of the nation the character was released into. A country that was over 60 percent against the war, with no standing army, and ranked 18th or so in the world military scene and just coming out of a Great Depression. Fully segregated , in most places legal to terrorize african americans with little or no legal action taken, in many cases it could be put in the newspaper what would happen. The country was divided in any way you wanna look at it.

Furthermore, this was a USA that pioneered the Eugenics movement that was adopted by Nazi Germany and carried out to its logical conclusion. The USA that had Adolf Hitler as Time man of the year a few years before we got into the war, that had arbitrary fitness and sterilization laws in almost all 50 states, which means Steven Rogers would've never been born had he been the 2nd or 3rd sickly child. This is a USA that allowed and watched violence for profit and sold money and funded Lennin, and Hitler even during the war. Yes that Bush was found guilty of funding the enemy while his son fought in WWII. We later elected two of his children into the office of the President (hey ...at this point even the Red Skull has been in US government)

When this character debuted with a star spangled hero punching hitler in the mouth it caused such an outrage Mayor Laguardia(yes the airport one) had to get police escort for Kirby and Simon due to the backlash from isolationist groups.

So while it may be the popular thing to assume Cap is a GO GO USA freedom bombs propaganda tool , he actually predates the war and was created as a polemic against Nazi Germany's polices on the value of human LIFE, leading up to USA's involvement in the war.

His appearance being purposely modeled after those stupid uberman posters (blond hair blue eyes) , his moral center being an extrapolation of rights being inalienable and SELF evident (not justified by men or governments inherent to all men), his fighting ability being the embodiment of a bad ass dude from kirby's neighborhood where you had to learn to fight (Apparently no one could beat him even if they ganged up on him), and his heart an embodiment of simon and kirby growing up hard where you had to hussle, post depression.

I think externally many have been inspired by Cap and the whole great patriotic hero archetype, but there is only one Steven Rogers who is a truly interesting creation by two of the all time greats in comics creators. Captain America..is Steven Rogers..when you take a second to think about that.


back to the hype.
 
COMIC SPOILER:
I wonder if Steve will actually die in this one like in the comic? Dies in this film, gets resurrected in time for Infinity War Part 2?

That's what a lot are hoping for. For the impact of his death on screen and then coming back in time for his staredown with T to the motherfuckin' HANOS!
 
COMIC SPOILER:
I wonder if Steve will actually die in this one like in the comic? Dies in this film, gets resurrected in time for Infinity War Part 2?

Well the movie strongly features the 2 most recent people to take up the shield when Rogers couldn't, so it's certainly a possibility. If not dead, he may surrender and go to prison.
 
I really hope that the motivation behind all of this is something more than "He's my friend".

I barely remember Bucky from the first Capitain America movie and as Winter Soldier he's pretty much a pre-programmed bland bad guy. Chose him over all the Avengers needs a deeper cause.
 
Well the movie strongly features the 2 most recent people to take up the shield when Rogers couldn't, so it's certainly a possibility. If not dead, he may surrender and go to prison.

This is what I'm banking on.
Cap is going to see that his prolonged resistance is just causing more problems, so will compromise and give himself up in order for Bucky to get a fair trial.

I don't think he'll be killed while in custody like in the comics. But he will essentially be taken out of action and the status of the Avengers will be in question until Thanos shows up.

I really hope that the motivation behind all of this is something more than "He's my friend".

I barely remember Bucky from the first Capitain America movie and as Winter Soldier he's pretty much a pre-programmed bland bad guy. Chose him over all the Avengers needs a deeper cause.

Uh it is a deeper cause. Bucky is Cap's only connection to his past. He's not just his friend, he's his BEST friend and someone he would die for. He is also an innocent man being sentenced to death by the US government. That's not something Captain America would or should be OK with.
 
I really hope that the motivation behind all of this is something more than "He's my friend".

I barely remember Bucky from the first Capitain America movie and as Winter Soldier he's pretty much a pre-programmed bland bad guy. Chose him over all the Avengers needs a deeper cause.
You barely remembering him doesn't mean that the character doesn't matter. It has been made clear that he is Steve's oldest friend and they both fought in war together, so it makes plenty of sense that he would keep him from being killed when he was forced to do Hydra's bidding.
 
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