PlayStation 4 sales (sold-through) hit 30.2 million worldwide

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DieH@rd said:
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haha


insane numbers. good stuff Sony. here's hoping this high install base allows for more risks to be taken with certain games and genres.
 
LegendofLex said:
It's a nice way of showing consumer excitement for your product and tells you more about what people are actually buying than shipments. You're definitely right about that. It's not like I'm saying that it's not a much more "down to earth" way of reporting sales.

But when it's not a traditional metric (and when the reporting of traditional metrics has been watered down), there's no good way (for us laymen who don't have all the internal estimates) to use it to make comparisons (which are necessary for identifying long-term trends).
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What is a man? A miserable little pile of words.
 
gundamkyoukai said:
Seeing sold through gives you a idea about long term trends cause you see the pace it selling at .
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But sell-through wasn't reported for PS2 or PS3, so we can't see the long-term (multi-generation) trends - just how well PS4 is selling over the short-term (single generation).

Are you really trying to say ship numbers are better than sold through ?
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For making comparisons to generations that didn't have reported sell-through numbers? (Look at the point at which I entered this conversation.) Yes.\

If you look at cumulative ship numbers, PS4 is actually trending downward toward PS2 sales, despite PS4 launching in way more markets than PS2 including literally the entire West.
 
LegendofLex said:
But sell-through wasn't reported for PS2 or PS3, so we can't see the long-term (multi-generation) trends - just how well PS4 is selling over the short-term (single generation).

Well just use the ship numbers we get from sony then


For making comparisons to generations that didn't have reported sell-through numbers? (Look at the point at which I entered this conversation.) Yes.
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Well just use the ship numbers we get from Sony every quarter .

LegendofLex said:
If you look at cumulative ship numbers, PS4 is actually trending downward toward PS2 sales, despite PS4 launching in way more markets than PS2 including literally the entire West.
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I think most people expect PS4 to get behind PS2 since Japan in now a dead market .
 
Congratulations to Sony. I hope that the trend continues, and that it translates into more support, especially in the JRPG genre... please?
 
That's a damn good amount of units sold. As for what they can move from now through Christmas, I think another 5 million. The power of Star Wars on a bundle box is going to make a LOT of mom and dads bust out the credit cards.
 
gundamkyoukai said:
Well just use the ship numbers we get from Sony every quarter .
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Are you gonna align those shipments by region with PS2 regional shipments that are launch aligned for each region? Probably not, because Sony hasn't been giving regional ship numbers that I'm aware of.

(Remember that PS2 "launched" only in Japan and didn't release in the West for a full seven months, whereas PS4 both launched in the West on day one and released to more Western countries on day one. Do most comparisons account for this?)

gundamkyoukai said:
I think most people expect PS4 to get behind PS2 since Japan in now a dead market .
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Yeah, I agree that Japan is currently the biggest drag on PS4 sales.

But I'd love to know how shipments compare in NA (and the US specifically), for example.
 
entrement said:
Impressive, although I'm not getting one until the SE RPGs start coming out.

The industry has changed so much, so I can't blame the PS4 for Japan's shift toward mobile, but I always sought for a successor to the PS2 in both Japanese support and dominance, but those days are over.
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I think you should blame PS4, just imagine how much better consoles would be doing in Japan if Microsoft bought a bunch of exclusives, spreading support out like last gen.
 
Freeman said:
Joke?

Its a pretty consistent ratio, has been like this since right after launch, MS strategy of releasing number sold to retailers (not even that anymore) might have confused you.
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Yea, I dunno what I was smoking when I wrote that. I think the 15 mil to 30 mil just completely clouded my reasoning there.
 
Maybe the sales of the PS4 further cements that sony's plans of focusing on third party games is a better strategy overall than microsoft's plans of locking down more first party games.

I mean did Sunset overdrive, Titanfall, Rare replay, Rise of the tomb raider, Forza 6, Gears ultimate, halo master chief and even halo 6 even make a dent in the lead that Sony had? I'd say not the extent anyone thought or even microsoft had hoped for.
 
3rdamention said:
But, last November, they were "nearly" 10 million shipped. So do you think they shipped and sold nearly another 10 million in the past year?



15-16 million I believe is more likely than 20 million.
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No, I meant rather that it's probably hovering around 15 million right now. And by the end of the year, the highest it'll probably end up is at 20 million depending on the holidays performance.

But without hard data, these are largely speculative numbers.
 
Shin-Ra said:
I think you should blame PS4, just imagine how much better consoles would be doing in Japan if Microsoft bought a bunch of exclusives, spreading support out like last gen.
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Huh? That's one of the reasons PS3 was slow to take off. 360 had all the JRPG's but nobody to buy them. PS4 doing decent in Japan, and extremely well everywhere else i'd say, is the reason why we're see all these JRPG's being made.
 
Crawl said:
Maybe the sales of the PS4 further cements that sony's plans of focusing on third party games is a better strategy overall than microsoft's plans of locking down more first party games.

I mean did Sunset overdrive, Titanfall, Rare replay, Rise of the tomb raider, Forza 6, Gears ultimate, halo master chief and even halo 6 even make a dent in the lead that Sony had? I'd say not the extent anyone thought or even microsoft had hoped for.
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But Sony's big first party games performed in or better than expectations (Until Dawn, Bloodborne) and Driveclub probably became profitable in 2015, too. Also Titanfall, Sunset Overdrive and Tomb Raider aren't first party.
 
Jesuschrist... it's selling even faster than PS2 did on the same period of time isn'it?? Congrats, Sorny! That's what happens when you actually make a console that customers wants instead of forcing them to play consoles with silly gimmicks that nobody asked for. I might buy one really soon for Uncharted 4 and FFXV!
 
LegendofLex said:
But sell-through wasn't reported for PS2 or PS3, so we can't see the long-term (multi-generation) trends - just how well PS4 is selling over the short-term (single generation).



For making comparisons to generations that didn't have reported sell-through numbers? (Look at the point at which I entered this conversation.) Yes.\

If you look at cumulative ship numbers, PS4 is actually trending downward toward PS2 sales, despite PS4 launching in way more markets than PS2 including literally the entire West.
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The point is PS4 is reaching into more people's homes at a faster pace than PS2, even when launch-aligned, and more importantly it's bringing in much more revenue than PS2 ever could have managed at the exact same time. This is nothing but a win-win for Sony.

I might finally tip my hand and join the flock in 2016 with the way the lineup is shaping up to be. Unless Nintendo really comes out stunning w/ the NX
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
The point is PS4 is reaching into more people's homes at a faster pace than PS2, even when launch-aligned, and more importantly it's bringing in much more revenue than PS2 ever could have managed at the exact same time. This is nothing but a win-win for Sony.
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I'm not disputing that it's a major win for Sony or that they're moving product and dollars very effectively. I'm just really curious how the long-term comparison stacks up when you start comparing the consoles on terms that aren't stacked in favor of PS4. (PS4 launched to more countries faster, so of course the WW numbers will be higher sooner. What happens if you compare individual territories based on launch timing for those territories? Is the focus on sell-through distracting from the idea that shipments on a regional, not-WW basis might not be unprecedentedly strong?)

I don't think PS4 is necessarily "more popular" than PS2 (unlike many people here); I just think Sony's orchestrated its launch in a much more strategic way.

It's still absolutely dominating this gen and Sony deserves massive kudos for correcting everything that was wrong with PS3.

I might finally tip my hand and join the flock in 2016 with the way the lineup is shaping up to be. Unless Nintendo really comes out stunning w/ the NX
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Just bought one myself a couple weeks ago, pretty pleased so far between Uncharted Collection, Bloodborne, Journey, and Tearaway Unfolded.

I take it you're a Nintendo fan? I highly recommend Tearway if you miss the golden age of 3D platformers.
 
LegendofLex said:
It's a nice way of showing consumer excitement for your product and tells you more about what people are actually buying than shipments. You're definitely right about that. It's not like I'm saying that it's not a much more "down to earth" way of reporting sales.

But when it's not a traditional metric (and when the reporting of traditional metrics has been watered down), there's no good way (for us laymen who don't have all the internal estimates) to use it to make comparisons (which are necessary for identifying long-term trends).
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They give regular 'shipped' numbers in their investors reports, don't they?
 
Cthulhu_Steev said:
They give regular 'shipped' numbers in their investors reports, don't they?
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On a WW basis only as far as I can tell. Historically we've gotten ship numbers for Asia, NA, PAL, etc. as well.

Since the initial launches of PS2 and PS4 were basically the opposite (PS2 launched only in Japan, then in the West much later, with smaller countries coming even later; PS4 launched first in the West to many more countries, then in Japan later), it's really an apples to oranges comparison when looking at WW shipments since launch, especially when sales have always been stacked toward the West and even more so in recent years.
 
eerik9000 said:
Let me rephrase myself. "Second party" is not a real thing, it's just a fucking stupid term and a subgroup of "first party".
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It has some importance to make these distinctions I would say, but you're right that it really doesn't matter for us as consumers.
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
and more importantly it's bringing in much more revenue than PS2 ever could have managed at the exact same time. This is nothing but a win-win for Sony.
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This part is really important. The PS4 will be the most successful console by revenue and profit that Sony has ever built. Yes, more than the PS2
 
Sony never disclosed sell in (shipped) figures for PS2 until after PS3 released. The only figures available for the first half of PS2's life are "production shipments" (units manufactured), so any comparison isn't like for like.
 
BKK said:
Sony never disclosed sell in (shipped) figures for PS2 until after PS3 released. The only figures available for the first half of PS2's life are "production shipments (units manufactured), so any comparison isn't like for like.
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Yeah, that's part of what I find troubling about the way reporting's shifting. There's no reliable way to compare long-term performance measures.
 
I'm really happy that this gen is going to break that bullshit "THE MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE NEVER WINS DERP" argument, as if the weakest console being WEAK is the reason why it won previous gens.
 
I don't know why I visit MisterxMedia's twitter every now and again but the fact he equates Gaf's apparent love-in with Sony to the US' foreign policy in regards to Russia is hilarious.

He praises Trump.
 
Anth0ny said:
I'm really happy that this gen is going to break that bullshit "THE MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE NEVER WINS DERP" argument, as if the weakest console being WEAK is the reason why it won previous gens.
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Weaker consoles tend to prioritize the needs of markets for whom hardware performance isn't as important. It was never "because they were weaker" but because they had to focus on different things besides just performance, like price, family friendliness, etc.
 
Crawl said:
Maybe the sales of the PS4 further cements that sony's plans of focusing on third party games is a better strategy overall than microsoft's plans of locking down more first party games.

I mean did Sunset overdrive, Titanfall, Rare replay, Rise of the tomb raider, Forza 6, Gears ultimate, halo master chief and even halo 6 even make a dent in the lead that Sony had? I'd say not the extent anyone thought or even microsoft had hoped for.
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So what will happen with Sony's first party focus next year? Well, actually, I think they will be focusing on both first and third party next year.
 
Hope this giant user base will help Sony boost VR and invest in more unique, risky projects.

They only need a better, more aggressive marketing campaign in Japan to renew interest on consoles. I don't think mobile is entirely at fault here.


Anth0ny said:
I'm really happy that this gen is going to break that bullshit "THE MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE NEVER WINS DERP" argument, as if the weakest console being WEAK is the reason why it won previous gens.
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That was just silly superstition and a way of saying that power doesn't matter.
 
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