If you mean that in general, you fell for reddit bait.
If you mean that regarding this specific case, it stopped a month ago. And you still fell for reddit bait.
Kindergarten Teacher Bans Legos For Boys Citing Gender Equity
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If you mean that in general, you fell for reddit bait.
If you mean that regarding this specific case, it stopped a month ago. And you still fell for reddit bait.
ugh_the_boot
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This gender equality thing is fucking weird, they're basically just taking male options away instead of finding solutions to promote like minded interest.
Thanks for the heads up-- I've been treating them as largely synonyms. Probably good to understand the subtle differences.
I guess I agree that holding people back can't be viewed as progress. We've been doing it to women for a gosh darn long time now, but despite that, I guess objectively you can't argue that responding in kind to men will make things better.
What I understand from discussing this is actively marginalizing people in power is definitely the wrong way to go about this. It's about education and increased opportunity above all, once again.
Sniffynose
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That lady is a complete fuck up....girls and boys love playing with lego! It builds amazing fine motor skills, not to mention the math/color coordination from building them with the instructions or being able to use their imaginations and make whatever they like!
Oh hell I don't need to go over it all, you guys know how cool they are and technic sets can teach gear trains/hydraulics and many other aspects of engineering....They are the one toy I can honestly say has actually increased in quality since I was little >.<
She shouldn't be a teacher if she is purposely limiting children of any gender especially in bloody kindergarten!
Everyone in my family has played with it as far back as I can remember, hell I even have a bunch for my wife for Christmas because she loves them too! Naturally my girls are getting some as well >.<
I just don't even know what else to say....salty agendas ftl =/
Oh hell I don't need to go over it all, you guys know how cool they are and technic sets can teach gear trains/hydraulics and many other aspects of engineering....They are the one toy I can honestly say has actually increased in quality since I was little >.<
She shouldn't be a teacher if she is purposely limiting children of any gender especially in bloody kindergarten!
Everyone in my family has played with it as far back as I can remember, hell I even have a bunch for my wife for Christmas because she loves them too! Naturally my girls are getting some as well >.<
Hopefully me too!
I just don't even know what else to say....salty agendas ftl =/
cpp_is_king
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Power has nothing to do with it. Actively marginalizing any one group to raise any other group is a sidegrade at best, and a downgrade at worst. Especially taking into consideration that there's a pretty trivial solution that raises up the girls while not marginalizing the boys, this entire thing is just nonsensical.
I don't know if I agree that it's a downgrade in this case, but it doesn't matter because in the end I'd imagine neither of us are against supporting women so there's nothing really to fight about.
Yeah, all kids should play with Lego, I agree, but it sounds like this teacher had the usual kindergarten issue where the boys physically dominate the toy choices leaving only scraps for the girls. She may have fucked up, but she isn't a fuck up, she had the interests of the girls in mind.
Stepping back for a moment... something that modern feminism fundamentally fails to grasp is that... there's value in activities that we perceive as feminine as much as there is in areas that we normally consider to be of a masculine orientation.
There's been this whole push to get females the privileges of men... but a complete failure to recognize the positives and benefits of the female half.
Maybe... instead of banning boys from Lego, introduce them to the joys of dolls and tea sets and what not?
There's been this whole push to get females the privileges of men... but a complete failure to recognize the positives and benefits of the female half.
Maybe... instead of banning boys from Lego, introduce them to the joys of dolls and tea sets and what not?
You follow the wrong feminists.
Tinfoilhatsron
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Well, I don't really follow any - just get my general impression of feminism from GAF.
I haven't seen any comments (not to say I've read the entire thread) saying what I have.
The discussion I've seen in this thread is pretty much about whether or not her approach is justified (generally no, but some are saying that she's had the right intention).
I could tell you don't follow any, otherwise you wouldn't get this warped perspective. And heck, even on Gaf you could have gotten a better idea. Sarkeesian was on regular attacked by right wingers here for dressing up feminine.
Milksheikhs
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I wrote something about this a page back. But I definitely agree. Feminine things can be awesome! And there is definitely a point to playing with dolls. It increases imagination and helps to further one's emotional intelligence.
Also, I would say there definitely are feminists who agree with this line of thinking.
Thanks for your post. Yeah, it's definetly a point that needs to be emphasized more.
Despite Oersted's implication that I'm ignorant on feminism because I don't follow it with baited breath - there really is a failure of messaging on a broad level when that understanding of feminism is opaque to outsiders.
It's one that needs to be more broadly embraced if we're to find traction with a wider variety of people.
spazchicken
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Yeah, I agree.
You don't follow at all. Slight difference.
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I am Korean.
Citation needed.
I would honestly love to see studies that demonstrate this. What exists so far from what I've seen is the John/Joan case which doesn't make your case for you at all, and some monkey studies that do demonstrate gendered play habits.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/u...boys-in-name-of-gender-equity/article/2576760
Update: The school district, Keller and the Blakely Elementary principal have each released statements regarding the report.
Keller claimed she only instituted the "girls only" Lego play for the first month of school to get them interested in the toys. She also said her "hell freezing over" remark was "a casual, off-record aside meant to convey my frustration with the marketing to girls in our society." She said that it was "not appropriate" and "taken out of context." She insisted that every student in her class has access to Legos.
The school district called the Review article "inaccurate" and said the school does not discriminate on the basis of sex.
Blakely Elementary Principal Reese Ande said the school does not "promote access or opportunity through any forms of exclusion" and that Keller is "a passionate teacher who cares deeply for each and every one of her students."
Keller claimed she only instituted the "girls only" Lego play for the first month of school to get them interested in the toys. She also said her "hell freezing over" remark was "a casual, off-record aside meant to convey my frustration with the marketing to girls in our society." She said that it was "not appropriate" and "taken out of context." She insisted that every student in her class has access to Legos.
The school district called the Review article "inaccurate" and said the school does not discriminate on the basis of sex.
Blakely Elementary Principal Reese Ande said the school does not "promote access or opportunity through any forms of exclusion" and that Keller is "a passionate teacher who cares deeply for each and every one of her students."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadistic_personality_disorder
Despicable behavior. If her problem is with the "marketing to girls by society", then why on earth is she taking out her frustrations on 5 year old boys? Am I missing something here?
Zeus Molecules
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I hope so. She's awful.
RoadHazard
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Insanely stupid. Letting girls know that they can play with Lego too (it's not "Legos", BTW) is good of course, but banning boys from doing it at all? That's just bullshit.
(Also, is Lego really a boys' toy? I've always seen it as very non-gender-specific. It's not at all like how something like Turtles figures are traditionally more for boys and Barbie dolls for girls.)
(Also, is Lego really a boys' toy? I've always seen it as very non-gender-specific. It's not at all like how something like Turtles figures are traditionally more for boys and Barbie dolls for girls.)
Posted it multiple times, most just don't read :/
aygomyownroad
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My niece loves my little pony and also loves lego.
My nephew loves cars and loves lego.
This woman should be ashamed of herself. Gender equality I am all for but they are kids ! Let them play with what they want
My nephew loves cars and loves lego.
This woman should be ashamed of herself. Gender equality I am all for but they are kids ! Let them play with what they want
The Lego Group pls go
Herpes Reasons
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And not the boys. Ergo she's a fuck up.
Zoe
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People know about the update. That doesn't make her initial actions any better.
Herpes Reasons
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And? How does that change what she did?
superdeluxe
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oh So it was only a month? Ok, that makes it better. Its still BS. and her comment about her quote being taken out of context. BS. Thats CYA,
Razgriz-Specter
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Its not the update I was waiting for...
Moon Patrol Pilot
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Sounds like damage control and CYA to me.
bengraven
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I give her job a week.
That sounds like such an odd explanation. She's frustrated with the marketing to girls so she says something that's completely unrelated to that?
Milksheikhs
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Sorry, but you can't say something off record that contradicts what you're saying and then expect people to believe it. I don't think that this woman is a monster like others have said, but it doesn't make sense to say something like that "off the record".
It's like talking a journalist.
On the record: "I'm totally for everyone having equal playtime and access to any toy or activity of their choice, but encourage girls to play with Legos more."
But off the record.." I actually don't do the above mentioned and have banned the boys from playing with Legos, but lie to them to make them feel better."
It's like talking a journalist.
On the record: "I'm totally for everyone having equal playtime and access to any toy or activity of their choice, but encourage girls to play with Legos more."
But off the record.." I actually don't do the above mentioned and have banned the boys from playing with Legos, but lie to them to make them feel better."
prelude514
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What a cunt.
You are not wrong at all. Many fail to understand that in the push for "equality" they're trivializing female preferences in the process and treating male preferences as the only valid ones.
Makes more sense to me that a local news station would put up a sensationalized story than a kindergarten teacher being literally the devil. All the kids got to play with Lego bricks. The girls had first shot at the new ones, in an attempt to get them interested. I personally wouldn't have done that, but it's a far cry from "Bans Legos For Boys."
I love how the following superdeluxe post directly contradicts yours. And no, it does not make it better, it actually tells you what she did.
The whole thing was a month ago. I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Rosenskjold
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This is just so sad, poor boys. And I love how she's looking down upon dolls because they don't make the girls "smarter". Maybe girls develop maternal and social skills to become good mothers/friends etc. This is like a sad cocktail of gender equality confusion and red-socks feminism combined.
Herpes Reasons
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The hypocrisy of being for girls being treated equal but supporting someone who refuses to give boys the same opportunity. I see it consistently with you in threads. You're not for equality.
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