Hurricane Katrina Thread: Any LA Gaffers?

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And this causes significant problems for me because now I have absolutely no idea where we will be picking people up from. This is un-fucking-believable.
 
Grizzlyjin said:
No, I'm not isolated or sheltered. I've just been working very long hours for the past week, so I was out of the Katrina loop. I knew about the storm, but I didn't realize that it had gotten that bad.
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Same here. i was completely out of the loop until yesterday. i had no idea just how bad things were until i hopped into this thread and saw the pictures and stats. It's been weighing on my mind pretty heavily ever since. i've got some things going on in my life right now, but i can't help but compare them to the situation of the refugees, or worse, those still seeking rescue. After such a comparison, i realize just how lucky i am.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
holy shit they are turning away buses full of people at the Astrodome and telling them to find another city and its nowhere NEAR the 25,000 capacity they claimed it would. Fuckin terrible for these people. They are gonna riot and after all the bullshit they've endured, i don't blame them one bit.
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They're sending most of them to SA and Dallas right now because a lot of people just came by their own transportation etc much faster than they had planned and it's filling up faster than they can get volunteers. If Dallas and SA have room, why not give Houston some more time to get coordinated?
 
Ninja Scooter said:
holy shit they are turning away buses full of people at the Astrodome and telling them to find another city and its nowhere NEAR the 25,000 capacity they claimed it would. Fuckin terrible for these people. They are gonna riot and after all the bullshit they've endured, i don't blame them one bit.
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Whoa, why are they turning people back? I thought Houston, San Antonio, and Dallas were going to take a few thousand each. No food, no water, and waiting in line for days just to get on those buses. Yeah, I could see a lot of people lashing out.

The local news said to expect some people here in Austin starting tomorrow afternoon. We're only about two hours away from San Antonio, so we'll be seeing a good share of those that can't get set up over there.
 
Phoenix said:
And this causes significant problems for me because now I have absolutely no idea where we will be picking people up from. This is un-fucking-believable.
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You were going to pick some up that were heading there, right?

After hearing the stories of what it was like, I really wouldn't want to be located from a dome to another one.

Have them come up here, we have cows and horses.
 
A really interesting point was just made on CNN, of all places. After one of the biggest disasters in US history, Congress was finally recalled three days after the fact (they’re on vacation). In the case of Terri Schiavo, Congress was immediately recalled and actually convened on a Sunday night.
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Fuck this. This makes my stomach churn.

I learned one fucking lesson from all of this: If there was ever a terrorist attack anywhere near me, I can only EXPECT that my house is going to get ransacked when officers of the law are not in the area.

These people should be ashamed of themselves. No excuses. Disgusting. And I feel so sorry for the innocent and good hearted people ruined or even killed directly or indirectly by these thugs.
 
aoi tsuki said:
Same here. i was completely out of the loop until yesterday. i had no idea just how bad things were until i hopped into this thread and saw the pictures and stats. It's been weighing on my mind pretty heavily ever since. i've got some things going on in my life right now, but i can't help but compare them to the situation of the refugees, or worse, those still seeking rescue. After such a comparison, i realize just how lucky i am.
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Yeah, it really set me straight. I was complaining about my job and school...then BAM. Just shows you how things can always get worse.
 
Grizzlyjin said:
Whoa, why are they turning people back? I thought Houston, San Antonio, and Dallas were going to take a few thousand each. No food, no water, and waiting in line for days just to get on those buses. Yeah, I could see a lot of people lashing out.

The local news said to expect some people here in Austin starting tomorrow afternoon. We're only about two hours away from San Antonio, so we'll be seeing a good share of those that can't get set up over there.
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They don't have enough organizers, security and volunteers. It should be fixed when they actually get the money from Congress. But they can't take more people than they can handle. How well do you think it's going to turn out when they don't have enough food to feed everyone. So someone gets dinner and the other person doesn't? That's not going to turn out well. SA and Dallas have said they would help out because of these reasons.
 
haha Anderson Cooper rocks. There's people dying of dehydration in her state as she speaks, and the bitch is sitting there giving an academy awards acceptance speech?
 
Can't hold it back. Sobbing now.

The shots of the mobbed, destroyed Superdome is what did it. This is terrible.

Landrieu, get your stupid ass down there in your car and start carting people.
 
I think there is plenty of blame to go around, as well as fault. Heads should and will roll. I hope dubya will finally fire someone(fema, Homeland sec). But I think it is far more important that there hasn't been much in the way of obvious solutions acted on. Ignore all of the obvious and glaring preplanning and prep that should have been done. What gets me is the lack of response stuff. As I've said in previous threads, there could be alot of stuff(maybe) done. Why not land some c130 or something on all of those open interstates outside of the super dome and take those people to other domes in the south? There are more than a few in tx, tenn, Carolinas, etc, and as Phoenix said, military bases. Tent cities could be erected at nascar tracks and open air arenas. Can we empty an east coast carrier and load it up with choppers? I also think that some hard choices need to start being made regarding the corpses-as in burning them. Otherwise rats and others will turn this into a real issue. I also think that it wouldn't be a bad idea to have apaches or something on patrol.

I think we're looking at a situation in which the federal government, much like 9/11, should just dole out 200k or so to everyone to relocate. Credit companies, banks and the like are gonna have to swallow debt. There aren't any real solutions to somthing like this other than debt relief and welfare. This is also a situation that will, in the coming weeks show the real glaring deficency of a lack of socialized medicine. The national sacrafice that was never asked for after 9/11 is going to have to happen now. Staring with those who can most afford it.

I also think, that while this is a massive tragedy, it does have to be put into perspective. Just look at what has happened in Africa in the last 10 years, compared to this.

one more thing-what a fuck over this is to all those who just got out of iraq, just to deal with this.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
holy shit they are turning away buses full of people at the Astrodome and telling them to find another city and its nowhere NEAR the 25,000 capacity they claimed it would. Fuckin terrible for these people. They are gonna riot and after all the bullshit they've endured, i don't blame them one bit.
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You don't blame them for rioting? WTF would rioting do besides make them look like idiots and make their situation far worse? Like the rescue workers aren't trying their damnest working 20+ hour days?

Come on...
 
Razoric said:
You don't blame them for rioting? WTF would rioting do besides make them look like idiots and make their situation far worse? Like the rescue workers aren't trying their damnest working 20+ hour days?

Come on...
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all im saying is after 4 days of no food, no water, their homes being demolished, being dicked around by the people in charge, i would probably go apeshit too, especially if i had kids/family to feed.
 
I don't know if this has been posted yet, but at least one person has died on the bus ride to the Astrodome since the buses aren't air conditioned and at least one doesn't have working windows. This may be the most suffering from any one event in American history for those that experienced it (in NO especially). At least with disasters like 9/11 and Oklahoma City, those that did survive were found within hours or at worst a couple days. These people are going through Hell and dying slow, painful deaths while the rescue efforts continue to be botched.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
all im saying is after 4 days of no food, no water, their homes being demolished, being dicked around by the people in charge, i would probably go apeshit too, especially if i had kids/family to feed.
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Bah, no fucking excuses this time. Instead of ATTEMPTING to work together, people started looting the town on TUESDAY! Didn't the hurricane hit on Monday or Sunday??

So I call bullshit on that. There's no way they have the right to do this, and there's no way they have to loot stores without food. They're wiping out electronic stores and private business, etc. and there's no reason for it. Even reports of rape. Yah man, that'll help you survive.

The looters are to blame here, not the government. Sorry a MASSIVE EVACUATION OF A MAJOR CITY didn't go as smoothly as possible, man.
 
Dammit, I'm so sick and tired of having to keep tabs on every single issue in the country, knowing it isn't going to be handled well and has various flaws. I just want it to stop. I'm getting tired of it. We are in desperate need of good leadership in this country.
 
I don't know if this has been posted yet, but at least one person has died on the bus ride to the Astrodome since the buses aren't air conditioned and at least one doesn't have working windows. This may be the most suffering from any one event in American history for those that experienced it (in NO especially). At least with disasters like 9/11 and Oklahoma City, those that did survive were found within hours or at worst a couple days. These people are going through Hell and dying slow, painful deaths while the rescue efforts continue to be botched.

Edit: I'm watching the Cooper thing. Good for him. We need more reporters with guts like him.
 
Badabing said:
Bah, no fucking excuses this time. Instead of ATTEMPTING to work together, people started looting the town on TUESDAY! Didn't the hurricane hit on Monday or Sunday??

So I call bullshit on that. There's no way they have the right to do this, and there's no way they have to loot stores without food. They're wiping out electronic stores and private business, etc. and there's no reason for it. Even reports of rape. Yah man, that'll help you survive.

The looters are to blame here, not the government. Sorry a MASSIVE EVACUATION OF A MAJOR CITY didn't go as smoothly as possible, man.
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im not talking about the looters. The hundreds of people at the NO Civic Center who are there because they were TOLD to go there for refuge, yet when they arrived were greeted by no resources, no food, no water, no police or national guard, no kind of organized leadership. They are just sitting there. Some of them dying. Dead bodies lined up around the walls of the center. People shitting and pissing on the floor because the bathrooms are backed up. How much of that would you take?
 
Ninja Scooter said:
im not talking about the looters. The hundreds of people at the NO Civic Center who are there because they were TOLD to go there for refuge, yet when they arrived were greeted by no resources, no food, no water, no police or national guard, no kind of organized leadership. They are just sitting there. Some of them dying. Dead bodies lined up around the walls of the center. People shitting and pissing on the floor because the bathrooms are backed up. How much of that would you take?
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That was some sad NBC/MSNBC footage. Emotionally, it's unbearable.
 
I think it's safe to say this catastrophe dwarfs 911 as far as scale and magnitude.


evil ways said:
What the fuck? There are reports of several women being raped inside the Superdome.
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I cannot believe what I have been seeing on broadcast television. There was a reporter on Fox that briefly showed what appeared to be a woman on the ground struggling with a thug who was attempting to rip her clothes off. NOBODY came to her aid and people were just walking by and staring! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY?
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isamu said:
I think it's safe to say this catastrophe dwarfs 911 as far as scale and magnitude.





I cannot believe what I have been seeing on broadcast television. There was a reporter on Fox that briefly showed what appeared to be a woman on the ground struggling with a thug who was attempting to rip her clothes off. NOBODY came to her aid and people were just walking by and staring! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY?
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I learned about that kind of inaction in my psychology class.

Sadly, it's pretty typical.
 
VisionaryQuest0 said:
U fucking serious? They just commented on it and watched?
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I'm sure if they were armed they might have done something, but I'm pretty sure given the situation they aren't going to rush up and get shot. Its a very ugly reality...
 
Phoenix said:
I'm sure if they were armed they might have done something, but I'm pretty sure given the situation they aren't going to rush up and get shot. Its a very ugly reality...
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From the accounts i read, the guy didn't seem to be armed. Still, it's pretty common behaviour as MIMIC said.
 
Pretty easy to keep a level head when you're in front of your fucking computer, thousands of miles away. Why don't you put your house at the bottom of a lake, wade through a sea of corpses, go on minimal rations for days with shitty living conditions and no reliable source of information....then come back with your level-headedness. It's not making an excuse, this is what fucking happens when it all falls down. I'd like for people to act civilized too, but when basic society comes crumbling down around you...it's understandable that people will resort to their baser instincts. Survival is a bitch. :( PEACE.
 
OH god.. I feel like driving down to the Astrodome and slap those stupid motherfuckers turning people away. The PROMISED 25,000 people and less that half of that are in actuality being attended too. They underestimated the resources needed to care for that many. I suspect the same will happen in other cities.

I swear every fucking politican involved with this effor are fraking idiots!
 
From CNN:

It's tough to verify from our vantage point here, but one of the officers said that some of the inmates at the Orleans Parish jail may have taken control of the prison. From what we are hearing, the prisoners have weapons. They have not left the jail. They can't get out. But we heard that they have control of weapons inside the jail.
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This all does seem from out of some movie... :(
 
Anyone hear how many people made it into the Astrodome before they shut it down? I'm in SA and wondering how many are headed this way.

Edit: Never mind. 11,000. Less than half. Damn.
 
Y2Kevbug11 said:
I am tearing up. The Astrodome is closed.

This is sad. I am almost crying.
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The Associated Press, Red Cross and MSNBC confirm this information. Astrodome is full, evacuees will be taken to other shelters.

But, God, where are they going to go now, and with no rest, food, air conditioning, probably no medicine in the interim? We've already seen how frail, how gravely ill some of the New Orleans refugees were when they were found, and we don't even know how many of them died before leaving the New Orleans ruins. What kind of mess is this going to become, and what can authorities do besides complain about looters they can't possibly stop?
 
11, 300 in the Dome. The fire and police chief in Houston had a meeting and decided to shut the doors becuase they can't handle any more people with the resources they have.
 
Mashing said:
OH god.. I feel like driving down to the Astrodome and slap those stupid motherfuckers turning people away. The PROMISED 25,000 people and less that half of that are in actuality being attended too. They underestimated the resources needed to care for that many. I suspect the same will happen in other cities.

I swear every fucking politican involved with this effor are fraking idiots!
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Thank the lack of promised funding and help instead

a few hundred people cannot care for thousands on a limited ass budget
 
What I worry about is stray people raiding stores or nearby neighborhoods in the vicinity of the Dome because they are so desperate. I actually have mixed feelings about that.
 
Mupepe said:
Thank the lack of promised funding and help instead

a few hundred people cannot care for thousands on a limited ass budget
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I realize that but Houstonian volunteers have been turned away. Why turn away free help?

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New developments, they're letting some of the buses back in.
 
I mean I'm okay with people stealing food, toilet paper, soap and so on; but the fuckers breaking into houses to steal stereos and tv should just be shot and have their body throw in the water.
 
Mashing said:
I realize that but Houstonian volunteers have been turned away. Why turn away free help?

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New developments, they're letting some of the buses back in.
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Volunteers get in the way if there's no food for them to cook etc. What's the point of crowding it up even more when it's the fact that they can't feed more people or make more beds people etc? Sure, there are a lot of volunteers, but other than some cooks and people to clean up and whatnot, they need specialized people, doctors and the sort. Most of the evacuees in the dome can do what most of the volunteers are there to do.
 
Mupepe said:
Volunteers get in the way if there's no food for them to cook etc. What's the point of crowding it up even more when it's the fact that they can't feed more people or make more beds people etc? Sure, there are a lot of volunteers, but other than some cooks and people to clean up and whatnot, they need specialized people, doctors and the sort. Most of the evacuees in the dome can do what most of the volunteers are there to do.
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What about Reliant Stadium? That place holds more than the Dome. And it's facilities are MUCH better. I an flabergasted why they don't use that as well.
 
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