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[AB 101]

Ah, Paula Zahn.

Can't get any more unbiased reporting than her.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

Man this is just unbelievable...I think one of the unintended consquences of this disaster is that people's faith in the government and the "might" of the US has been completely shattered...at least it has for me.

If we can't even save babies from dehydration, what is the point of everything else?

You have a point. I mean we are looking at this now and it would be easy for me to say look at us America, this is how we treat our poor this is how we treat ourselves. If disater strikes in your area this is the treatment you can expect.

The seeds of discontent are sprouting.

I can see the rally cry in the next few weeks being, you can save poor Iraqis but, you can't save poor Americans.

 

[DJ Sl4m]

I'm about the same, NO is a city who's time has passed.

100% agreed, the circus atmosphere that's been an attraction to NO, will never be looked at as fun amusment again, and it's simply a terrible risk to take.

 

[Triumph]

Man this is just unbelievable...I think one of the unintended consquences of this disaster is that people's faith in the government and the "might" of the US has been completely shattered...at least it has for me.

If we can't even save babies from dehydration, what is the point of everything else?

I got my tax cut, fuck the federal govt!

Ah, Paula Zahn.

Can't get any more unbiased reporting than her.

You're so fucking smug, you know that? Take your shit and stuff it up your ass, you fucking piece of shit.

 

[sonicfan]

Man this is just unbelievable...I think one of the unintended consquences of this disaster is that people's faith in the government and the "might" of the US has been completely shattered...at least it has for me.

If we can't even save babies from dehydration, what is the point of everything else?

I would agree that the government has failed almost totally from top to bottom in this case. Not that I'm blaming them for not preventing it, but they all, from the mayor, gov, senators, and yes, the Bush admin, IMO, have all greatly underestimated how serious this whole mess is. You basically have 100+ miles of beach front communities decimated, including a major metropolitan city, and they all seem so clueless. This all will have an impact, both socially and politically, for DECADES.

 

[Triumph]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050901/ap_on_go_pr_wh/katrina_bush_budget

White House backpedalling from criticism that it cut the budget of the ACoE. I wonder how they will spin years of facts this time?

 

[distantmantra]

Pardon my language, but this is utterly fucking insane.

it's kind of a weird thing to say, but I can't imagine how anyone can care about bullshit like the revolution or 'i'm so lonely' at a time like this. i'm just sitting here praying for people to be safe and fed. ughhh.

I agree, my little life seems even more insignificant at this point. I had planned on stopping by the local record shop on the way home from work, but I felt extremely guilty about wanting to spend money on such frivolous items.

 

[UtadaBarkley]

LOL, no assistance ? Yeah right, such BS.
The only ones who couldn't evacute are the elderly/sick or handicapped.

They were ordered to leave, and had many city buses shuttling people to the dome for 2 days.

The healthy people who decided to stay with intentions to loot, deserve thier ill chosen fate IMO.

Not all the ones who remained are 'victims' of the storm, many are victims of thier own greed and failed plan.

Easier said than done..... Are you poor? Have you ever been poor? Are you amongst some of the poorest in the Nation? That's doubtful. Saying that whole entire city could have been evacuated is ludicrous, and claiming that EVERYONE who stayed behind was doing so with intentions to loot is utterly sickening to me. Do you know these people's situations? Have you lived but a day in their shoes? Do you even live in a densely populated urban area? There are MANY upon MANY reasons why a lot of the people did not evacuate, maybe it was money, maybe it was family, maybe they just didn't have the means to do so... You make it sound so simple and uncomplicated. We’ve viewed your rhetoric many times, and I think you’ve made your point…. True the people who are looting are in the wrong, but that in NO WAY WHATSOEVER means that everyone that stayed behind had intentions to effectively destroy the city. The fact that you group everyone into one type of people is just the type of thing racism and every other type of stereotype is built upon. Enough of you continued heartlessness. You have no idea what the people down there are going through, so stick a cork in it already!!!

 

[Fix]

Here's the vid of cooper.

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Anderson-Cooper-Landrieu-Katrina.wmv

 

[distantmantra]

Here's the vid of cooper.

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Anderson-Cooper-Landrieu-Katrina.wmv

Already down.

 

[dem]

Nancy Grace is really fucking annoying...

Why does she have a show?

 

[distantmantra]

Nancy Grace is really fucking annoying...

Why does she have a show?

More importantly, why is she covering the missing Aruba girl right now??

People are dying in the streets, and instead she is obsessed with "Teen Missing in Aruba: Day 95." I don't care if the suspects were released.

 

[DJ Sl4m]

Easier said than done..... Are you poor? Have you ever been poor? Are you amongst some of the poorest in the Nation? That's doubtful. Saying that whole entire city could have been evacuated is ludicrous, and claiming that EVERYONE who stayed behind was doing so with intentions to loot is utterly sickening to me. Do you know these people's situations? Have you lived but a day in their shoes? Do you even live in a densely populated urban area? There are MANY upon MANY reasons why a lot of the people did not evacuate, maybe it was money, maybe it was family, maybe they just didn't have the means to do so... You make it sound so simple and uncomplicated. We’ve viewed your rhetoric many times, and I think you’ve made your point…. True the people who are looting are in the wrong, but that in NO WAY WHATSOEVER means that everyone that stayed behind had intentions to effectively destroy the city. The fact that you group everyone into one type of people is just the type of thing racism and every other type of stereotype is built upon. Enough of you continued heartlessness. You have no idea what the people down there are going through, so stick a cork in it already!!!

The buses didn't have to evacuate the entire city, most in the city have vehichles, friends and had offers.
The buses were FREE idiot, you dont live here, there and probably never have.

You arrogant fucking uninformed fool have no clue wtf shit you spout, it happens every gotdamn time NO has an evacuation, only this time it's nationwide coverage and the sympothy of everyone feeling sad for those trying to live.

ew up poor, and dont you EVER fucking talk down to me again BOY, I know how it is, and can imagine those without trying to escape.
Have you seen the vids os people refusing to leave even afterit was being flooded while they sat on thier porch, bitching for the city to start the pumps ? I bet not, in factI know you havem't.

You're a clueless fuck ASSUming the story that you want, you have no clue everything the US main meida isn't showing or telling.

 

[Phoenix]

That's awesome news?

If all these people die of dehydration cuz they can't evacuate them out soon enough, then what good will food stamps do?

You have to realize that there are over a million people who have absolutely nothing now, and shit yeah being guaranteed foodstamps is the difference between eating or not for them - especially since not everyone 'qualified' for them. I guess I didn't make that clear enough. If your home, town, job, etc. are all destroyed, that sounds like INSTANT qualification to me.

There are several groups of people: people trapped in their homes, people who are trapped in locations like the superdome/convention center, and people who DID evacuate. Just because people evacuated doesn't mean they are in good shape. Unless you won the lotto, you will soon exhaust your resources sitting in hotels and ordering food. These foodstamps are like manna from heaven for these people.

 

[ToxicAdam]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050901/ap_on_go_pr_wh/katrina_bush_budget

White House backpedalling from criticism that it cut the budget of the ACoE. I wonder how they will spin years of facts this time?

This is all you need to know.

These (projects) were not funded at the full ability of the Corps of Engineers to execute the project," said Lt. Gen. Carl Strock, commander of the Army Corps of Engineers. "But the important question is, 'Would that have made a difference?' And my assessment is, no, it would not."

End of subject.

 

[UtadaBarkley]

The buses didn't have to evacuate the entire city, most in the city have vehichles, friends and had offers.
The buses were FREE idiot, you dont live here, there and probably never have.

You arrogant fucking uninformed fool have no clue wtf shit you spout, it happens every gotdamn time NO has an evacuation, only this time it's nationwide coverage and the sympothy of everyone feeling sad for those trying to live.

ew up poor, and dont you EVER fucking talk down to me again BOY, I know how it is, and can imagine those without trying to escape.
Have you seen the vids os people refusing to leave even afterit was being flooded while they sat on thier porch, bitching for the city to start the pumps ? I bet not, in factI know you havem't.

You're a clueless fuck ASSUming the story that you want, you have no clue everything the US main meida isn't showing or telling.

Wow, hit a nerve there didn't I? YES apparently I did. You have absolutely no class as proven by your reply littered with putdowns, bad English and curse words. You're just as bad as everyone who stayed behind in NO. Yes everyone, because according to you if they weren’t elderly they're ALL looters. Do you know every person's personal life story who didn't leave NO? Do you know their situations Ms. Cleo? No, you don't, so stop generalizing. Use your head and THINK about the possibilities. You claim I just listen to the general media, yet you're the one who thinks everyone who didn't leave NO are looters because you saw a few people on TV refuse means to get out of the city? :lol

 

[Phoenix]

Have you seen the vids os people refusing to leave even afterit was being flooded while they sat on thier porch, bitching for the city to start the pumps ? I bet not, in factI know you havem't.

So you're saying several hundred thousand people refused to leave?

 

[DJ Sl4m]

So you're saying several hundred thousand people refused to leave?

I'm talking about those refusing to leave thier homes and even go to the Dome or convention center, there are not several houndred thousand still at thier homes.

 

[Phoenix]

This is all you need to know.



End of subject.

Heh... so the rest of the LA Levee Board and the Engineers that put the plan together to build a plan to survive an upto Category 5 hurricane were retarded?

 

[Lo-Volt]

MSNBC: France has offered the United States aid.

 

[UtadaBarkley]

So you're saying several hundred thousand people refused to leave?

I'm saying.... Quoted For TRUTH. I feel sorry people who litter their posts with sheer arrogance, yet come off as simply ignorant

 

[Phoenix]

I'm talking about those refusing to leave thier homes and even go to the Dome or convention center, there are not several houndred thousand still at thier homes.

So you're talking about 10s of thousands then - 10s of thousands of people refused to leave their homes.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Heh... so the rest of the LA Levee Board and the Engineers that put the plan together to build a plan to survive an upto Category 5 hurricane were retarded?

When was this plan put into place, and what stopped it from occurring? Why wasn't this plan put into place initially in 1995?

 

[DJ Sl4m]

Wow, hit a nerve there didn't I? YES apparently I did. You have absolutely no class as proven by your reply littered with putdowns, bad English and curse words. You're just as bad as everyone who stayed behind in NO. Yes everyone, because according to you if they weren’t elderly they're ALL looters. Do you know every person's personal life story who didn't leave NO? Do you know their situations Ms. Cleo? No, you don't, so stop generalizing. Use your head and THINK about the possibilities. You claim I just listen to the general media, yet you're the one who thinks everyone who didn't leave NO are looters because you saw a few people on TV refuse means to get out of the city? :lol

Just admit you're clueless assuming that whatever the mainstream media tells you is the thruth.

You dont live around here, probably never have had to deal with a large hurricane and it's conditions (i've been through many) or had several thousand people looting and robbing your friend after being helped in yourt hometown only to have them act like total savages.

 

[DJ Sl4m]

So you're talking about 10s of thousands then - 10s of thousands of people refused to leave their homes.

From a population of how many ?
Exactely, that's terrible, but still a very small number compared to the overall population.

 

[Triumph]

When was this plan put into place, and what stopped it from occurring? Why wasn't this plan put into place initially in 1995?

My guess would be something to do with the shit ton of new Republicans just elected to Congress, honoring their "Contract on America".

 

[UtadaBarkley]

Just admit you're clueless assuming that whatever the mainstream media tells you is the thruth.

You dont live around here, probably never have had to deal with a large hurricane and it's conditions (i've been through many) or had several thousand people looting and robbing your friend after being helped in yourt hometown only to have them act like total savages.

I understand and I sympathize with you, and all who are going through this. True, I do not know first hand what the people down there are going through, thankfully I've never had to go through something so terrible. All I'm saying is don't put everybody in one class just because some want to be ignorant and rob and steal from the community. That's my whole point. They way you came off was like everyone who stayed there DESERVED to go through this hell. No one deserves this. No one.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

When was this plan put into place, and what stopped it from occurring? Why wasn't this plan put into place initially in 1995?

Dunno ask Congress what was so important then.

 

[Nameless]

Honestly, if there is one person here who says that if they were stuck in a similar situation i.e. trapped in a flooded city, with no clean or running water, little or no food, and in some cases just rendered homeless, and you saw an abandoned grocery store or gas station, that they would no go in and take what they needed becfause its immoral is a lying prick..period.

 

[DJ Sl4m]

I understand and I sympathize with you, and all who are going through this. True, I do not know first hand what the people down there are going through, thankfully I've never had to go through something so terrible. All I'm saying is don't put everybody in one class just because some want to be ignorant and rob and steal from the community. That's my whole point. They way you came off was like everyone who stayed there DESERVED to go through this hell. No one deserves this. No one.

LMMFAO, you know what........... I agree and I know this to be true.

If yuou go back and read ALL my posts in this thread I think you'll see I'm agreeing to that.

I never said all, I'm reffering to the 20-30 year old males who were stealing sneakers, TV's, satereos, ans tshirts rather than food.

Asses like this do this every hurricane ecacuation.

Do us both a favor and go back and read all my posts in this thread.
I appologize if I offended you, it happens when people dont read the full thread.
I do that as well, and have done the same before, I know you meant well, it's jusy been a hellacious week.

I'm emotionally, physically and spiritually whooped and feeling very defensive right now, because of the circumstances.

My brother lives in Slidell, my cousin lived in NO, and I can't reach either.

Truce

 

[UtadaBarkley]

Honestly, if there is one person here who says that if they were stuck in a similar situation i.e. trapped in a flooded city, with no clean or running water, little or no food, and in some cases just rendered homeless, and you saw an abandoned grocery store or gas station, that they would no go in and take what they needed becfause its immoral is a lying prick..period.

I don’t think anyone's arguing against that, at least I hope not... but it’s the people who are stealing items that aren't needed/can't possibly used at the moment, or have no benefit on survival. Seeing people walk around 5 FT of water carrying televisions out of stores is inexcusable. Only the most basic needs for survival are things that should be taken.

 

[dem]

Honestly, if there is one person here who says that if they were stuck in a similar situation i.e. trapped in a flooded city, with no clean or running water, little or no food, and in some cases just rendered homeless, and you saw an abandoned grocery store or gas station, that they would no go in and take what they needed becfause its immoral is a lying prick..period.

No one is talking about people who are taking food.

 

[Phoenix]

When was this plan put into place, and what stopped it from occurring? Why wasn't this plan put into place initially in 1995?

The plan to deal with the Lake Ponchatrain issue was brought up in the 70s and 80s. Commercial projects were given priority. Shell dredging was given priority and it quickened erosion. The wetlands that keep Lake Ponchatrain so far from the city were supposed to have been a priority back in the 70s - never happened. There were MANY projects proposed to address the issues surrounding the levee and the spillways and the canals that just never happened. Over the years there WERE many things done to help alleviate many of the problems which is why early on I said that for certain there would be flooding... and we KNEW there would be flooding because there are always parts of the city (and yes many of those are the poorer areas of the city) that flood and with certainty would flood again. Hell even down where Xavier university is there was an absolute expectation of flooding.

What stopped all of the 'special' projects from occurring - money and mismanagement of money via studies and similar.

 

[UtadaBarkley]

LMMFAO, you know what........... I agree and I know this to be true.

If yuou go back and read ALL my posts in this thread I think you'll see I'm agreeing to that.

I never said all, I'm reffering to the 20-30 year old males who were stealing sneakers, TV's, satereos, ans tshirts rather than food.

Asses like this do this every hurricane ecacuation.

Do us both a favor and go back and read all my posts in this thread.
I appologize if I offended you, it happens when people dont read the full thread.
I do that as well, and have done the same before, I know you meant well, it's jusy been a hellacious week.

I'm emotionally, physically and spiritually whooped and feeling very defensive right now, because of the circumstances.

My brother lives in Slidell, my cousin lived in NO, and I can't reach either.

Truce

True. No hard feelings, I hope you find your peoples. I'm praying for all of ya'll.

 

[DJ Sl4m]

Honestly, if there is one person here who says that if they were stuck in a similar situation i.e. trapped in a flooded city, with no clean or running water, little or no food, and in some cases just rendered homeless, and you saw an abandoned grocery store or gas station, that they would no go in and take what they needed becfause its immoral is a lying prick..period.

Yes, those are honest looters who need to be helped out, there's a HUGE difference to the ones I was reffering to.
If you check out all my posts (and I think it's worth reading a local point of view) I think you'll gladly agree.

 

[Nameless]

No one is talking about people who are taking food.

The comment by someone basically said people just stayed to loot period/ As I said in the other thread yeah people who are stealing tvs and shit are fucks, but the MAJORITY of people have things that they and their families need.

 

[DJ Sl4m]

I'm out for the night, later all.

Good luck Phoenix I'm guessing your local by the way everyone is asking you for info, if so I wish you and your family the best.

I know these times are hard on everyone, all of us have been through a lot.

 

[jobber]

BTW if you didn't see Inside Edition today...

Police saw a beer truck trying to leave town....

It was filled with a bunch of looters and when the opened the truck, it had no beer, but it had a bunch of looted electronics...

Couple of the people in the truck was kids around 10-11 years old and they were arrested.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

I never said all, I'm reffering to the 20-30 year old males who were stealing sneakers, TV's, satereos, ans tshirts rather than food.

Just a quick FYI man's basic necessities are food, clothing, and shelter. While I see what you are getting at a pair of shoes is a right nice thing to have in a city where flood waters washed away the insides of people home and on top of that the ground is littered with broken glass and other trash. And some dry clothers might be nice to have as well.

 

[DarienA]

Let's look at this logically... looting electronics... ok... uh no power... uh no one to sell them to because there is no power... uh... police and etc aren't going to let you out of the city carrying a whole bunch of electronics.. so uh.... wtf?

 

[ToxicAdam]

The plan to deal with the Lake Ponchatrain issue was brought up in the 70s and 80s. Commercial projects were given priority. Shell dredging was given priority and it quickened erosion. The wetlands that keep Lake Ponchatrain so far from the city were supposed to have been a priority back in the 70s - never happened. There were MANY projects proposed to address the issues surrounding the levee and the spillways and the canals that just never happened. Over the years there WERE many things done to help alleviate many of the problems which is why early on I said that for certain there would be flooding... and we KNEW there would be flooding because there are always parts of the city (and yes many of those are the poorer areas of the city) that flood and with certainty would flood again. Hell even down where Xavier university is there was an absolute expectation of flooding.

What stopped all of the 'special' projects from occurring - money and mismanagement of money via studies and similar.

So really, SELA was just the government finally stepping in and saying 'enough is enough' after the floods of the early 90's.. Because it appears (by what you say) the local and state governments squandered ALOT of time and money in those decades. Shouldn;t they receive the brunt of this blame? Not some cutbacks that happened less than two years ago?


But it still doesn't answer why priority wasn't given to creating level 5 protection when initially planned in 1995. They knew about the risks then also.

 

[jobber]

Let's look at this logically... looting electronics... ok... uh no power... uh no one to sell them to because there is no power... uh... police and etc aren't going to let you out of the city carrying a whole bunch of electronics.. so uh.... wtf?

"I sell fire in hell i'm a hustla homie I sell water to a whale"

They were gonna hustle that shit in another town. They didn't think it's only 1 way out and the police got that covered.

 

[Suikoguy]

Let's look at this logically... looting electronics... ok... uh no power... uh no one to sell them to because there is no power... uh... police and etc aren't going to let you out of the city carrying a whole bunch of electronics.. so uh.... wtf?

Nobody said the thought process was complete...

 

[Phoenix]

From a population of how many ?
Exactely, that's terrible, but still a very small number compared to the overall population.

Good you agree - now compare that to the percentage of people in the city who are poor or known to be at or below the poverty level. Compare that with the number of people being evacuated from other shelters in the city, hospitals, etc.

So this small population which is actually smaller than the number of poor, elderly, shut-in, etc. you're comparing them to people who intentionally wanted to stay in the city?

 

[Red Scarlet]

I wonder if what's going on is just as bad, or worse than the "worst case scenario" for this event.

I am kind of disheartened by the small amount of coverage about Mississippi and Alabama, they were hit very hard as well; wasn't Georgia also hit?

This is totally the end of some political careers. Phoenix's idea about those soon to be shut down military bases to be used as shelters is very good; hopefully those "in charge" will have such an epiphany.

 

[evil ways]

What the fuck? There are reports of several women being raped inside the Superdome.

 

[Phoenix]

So really, SELA was just the government finally stepping in and saying 'enough is enough' after the floods of the early 90's.. Because it appears (by what you say) the local and state governments squandered ALOT of time and money in those decades. Shouldn;t they receive the brunt of this blame? Not some cutbacks that happened less than two years ago?

State, local, and federal government always had other priorities for the billions of dollars that it would take to actually do the job and do it right.

But it still doesn't answer why priority wasn't given to creating level 5 protection when initially planned in 1995. They knew about the risks then also.

Same reason why the government isn't pushing for replacement of unleaded gasoline as opposed to biodiesel hybrid vehicles - the problem looks so far away that 'it can wait - the people preaching doom and gloom are nut jobs'.

 

[distantmantra]

I wonder if what's going on is just as bad, or worse than the "worst case scenario" for this event.

I am kind of disheartened by the small amount of coverage about Mississippi and Alabama, they were hit very hard as well; wasn't Georgia also hit?

I've been wondering about Alabama, my best friend's parents live there, but I've been unable to get in touch with him.

 

[Phoenix]

I wonder if what's going on is just as bad, or worse than the "worst case scenario" for this event.

As bad as it is, it could actually be a LOT worse. You'd just have a lot more dead initially rather than over time.

I am kind of disheartened by the small amount of coverage about Mississippi and Alabama, they were hit very hard as well; wasn't Georgia also hit?

Mostly because Biloxi, Waveland, Bay St. Louis, etc. are a LOT smaller in scale both in population and level of 'ongoing' destruction. Alabama and Georgia took 'normal hurricane damage'.

 

[Red Scarlet]

Wasn't Biloxi erased from the map? That seems pretty bad to me. I'm not saying NO isn't bad, and is ongoingly bad, but a nice 15 minute part about those other places would be helpful to numerous people looking for news/info about those areas and the people that lived there.

It's not much (well it helps), but on CNN they said Wal-Mart has stated they are donating an extra 15 million to the effort.