Dragon Ball Super |OT| 28 Episodes Later

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Kagari said:
What's the time gap between BoG and RoF? 6-12 months? If so there's no way.
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DB has never made any sense in-regards to the timeframe it takes to gain power, so I think it's not a stretch to say the inverse is true. I think family life has actually sped up Gohan's weakening exponentially hahaha. I can easily be wrong, but it's just my hunch. I'd personally much rather have Gohan be the most power mortal in the universe, but this is all I see now:

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I mean, Shisami was said to be Zarbon level so Piccolo shouldn't have been having problem anyway. That's what irritated me about it.

RoF is just really inconsistent.
 
Kagari said:
What's the time gap between BoG and RoF? 6-12 months? If so there's no way.
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The movies are a little over a year apart. Their Super retellings are at least 10 months apart.

Edit: actually I guess the Super arcs are even further separate than that... 9 months for Pan to be born, 6 months for Vegeta to train with Whis, and 4 months for Frieza's training. So over a year and a half?
 
Kagari said:
I mean, Shisami was said to be Zarbon level so Piccolo shouldn't have been having problem anyway. That's what irritated me about it.

RoF is just really inconsistent.
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That was before the 4 months of training, and in Super we know that at least Tagoma trains with Freeza. Also Shisami being "as strong as Zarbon" is a fuck up on Toei's part, in Toriyama's script Shisami was a powerful mercenary that Freeza hired after being revived, the Zarbon line was supposed to be only for Tagoma.
 
Daingurse said:
DB has never made any sense in-regards to the timeframe it takes to gain power, so I think it's not a stretch to say the inverse is true. I think family life has actually sped up Gohan's weakening exponentially hahaha. I can easily be wrong, but it's just my hunch. I'd personally much rather have Gohan be the most power mortal in the universe, but this is all I see now:

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This scene was fine to me considering Frieza trained for the first time in his life. His army shouldn't be nearly as strong as it is though, even if they trained with Frieza for a couple of months.
 
Zalman said:
This scene was fine to me considering Frieza trained for the first time in his life. His army shouldn't be nearly as strong as it is though, even if they trained with Frieza for a couple of months.
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His army was being taken out by people like Roshi and Jaco.
 
Zalman said:
This scene was fine to me considering Frieza trained for the first time in his life. His army shouldn't be nearly as strong as it is though, even if they trained with Frieza for a couple of months.
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I actually have no problem with the scene. I actually found it hilarious and quite memorable, but It has just completely framed how I view Gohan now. As stupid as the "4 months of training" premise sounds, I actually really dug that Frieza was always some overpowered mutant freak from birth, who has never ever felt the need to push himself, because he was always more than strong enough. It fits the character quite well I think. Frieza is just a biological monstrosity hahahah.
 
ArchedThunder said:
That was before the 4 months of training, and in Super we know that at least Tagoma trains with Freeza. Also Shisami being "as strong as Zarbon" is a fuck up on Toei's part, in Toriyama's script Shisami was a powerful mercenary that Freeza hired after being revived, the Zarbon line was supposed to be only for Tagoma.
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gg Toei.
 
I don't know what you guys are on about with BoG. Easily the best Dragon Ball Z movie period. Watanabe's screenplay was going to be generic Z movie garbage with an EVIL lizard villain and a transformation with a cape and all of that until Toriyama intervened. Beerus and Whis came out as better villains, and Super Saiyan God went against the whole mantra of "moar muscles and hair = moar power." Goku lost in the end as well! He actually had legitimate development. Too bad Super completely discarded that development and decided to flanderize Beerus and Whis as characters instead. Overall, it had fun dialogue, serviceable music (save for the Cha-La Head Cha-La renditions, those were beautiful), great voice acting, and it introduced the best new Dragon Ball characters in over 10 years.

Now, RF... It was fun fanservice, but it was poorly thought out and written fanservice nonetheless. Toriyama as an action writer is just not as good as he used to be. You can tell because his script was vague as hell when it came to describing fight scenes. It was also a case of pandering to fans that were not pleased by BoG's action. Toriyama even said he deliberately increased the amount of fighting, most likely in response to those complaints. This felt more like a pre-BoG movie with power incosistencies and all. After a few re-watches, RF falls apart as a movie, unlike BoG.
 
Blader said:
The movies are a little over a year apart. Their Super retellings are at least 10 months apart.

Edit: actually I guess the Super arcs are even further separate than that... 9 months for Pan to be born, 6 months for Vegeta to train with Whis, and 4 months for Frieza's training. So over a year and a half?
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Meanwhile Goten and Trunks get younger
 
TheAwesomePossum said:
I don't know what you guys are on about with BoG. Easily the best Dragon Ball Z movie period. Watanabe's screenplay was going to be generic Z movie garbage with an EVIL lizard villain and a transformation with a cape and all of that until Toriyama intervened. Beerus and Whis came out as better villains, and Super Saiyan God went against the whole mantra of "moar muscles and hair = moar power." Goku lost in the end as well! He actually had legitimate development. Too bad Super completely discarded that development and decided to flanderize Beerus and Whis as characters instead. Overall, it had fun dialogue, serviceable music (save for the Cha-La Head Cha-La renditions, those were beautiful), great voice acting, and it introduced the best new Dragon Ball characters in over 10 years.

Now, RF... It was fun fanservice, but it was poorly thought out and written fanservice nonetheless. Toriyama as an action writer is just not as good as he used to be. You can tell because his script was vague as hell when it came to describing fight scenes. It was also a case of pandering to fans that were not pleased by BoG's action. Toriyama even said he deliberately increased the amount of fighting, most likely in response to those complaints. This felt more like a pre-BoG movie with power incosistencies and all. After a few re-watches, RF falls apart as a movie, unlike BoG.
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I think they're both great films, BoG is a better story and F is a better action flick.

Blader said:
The movies are a little over a year apart. Their Super retellings are at least 10 months apart.

Edit: actually I guess the Super arcs are even further separate than that... 9 months for Pan to be born, 6 months for Vegeta to train with Whis, and 4 months for Frieza's training. So over a year and a half?
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Pan was born about 5 months after Vegeta left to train, the 9 months for Pan's birth and the 6 months Vegeta has been with Whis happen together, not apart.
 
TheAwesomePossum said:
I don't know what you guys are on about with BoG. Easily the best Dragon Ball Z movie period. Watanabe's screenplay was going to be generic Z movie garbage with an EVIL lizard villain and a transformation with a cape and all of that until Toriyama intervened. Beerus and Whis came out as better villains, and Super Saiyan God went against the whole mantra of "moar muscles and hair = moar power." Goku lost in the end as well! He actually had legitimate development. Too bad Super completely discarded that development and decided to flanderize Beerus and Whis as characters instead. Overall, it had fun dialogue, serviceable music (save for the Cha-La Head Cha-La renditions, those were beautiful), great voice acting, and it introduced the best new Dragon Ball characters in over 10 years.

Now, RF... It was fun fanservice, but it was poorly thought out and written fanservice nonetheless. Toriyama as an action writer is just not as good as he used to be. You can tell because his script was vague as hell when it came to describing fight scenes. It was also a case of pandering to fans that were not pleased by BoG's action. Toriyama even said he deliberately increased the amount of fighting, most likely in response to those complaints. This felt more like a pre-BoG movie with power incosistencies and all. After a few re-watches, RF falls apart as a movie, unlike BoG.
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I don't think anyone writing DBZ cares about this sort of power level stuff anymore..

I just like RoF for the funny scenes, action, and Frieza.
 
ArchedThunder said:
They haven't gotten younger, the artstyle is just inconsistent with their heights. As for them not getting older it could simply be explained by them both getting the Saiyan growth genes, which according to Jaco Saiyans stay small children for a long time and then they quickly grow into adults.
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They're half-human though, and Gohan didn't seem to age like normal Saiyans either. Maybe they both inherited the Saiyan growth genes, hahaha.
 
Pretty much all the cast look like they haven't aged since they were 18 aside from maybe Chichi. Personally, I think a big reason why they don't want to go past EoZ is because they don't want to change character designs.
 
TheAwesomePossum said:
It's just Toriyama or Toei being too lazy to create a new character design for Goten and Trunks in-between them being children and 17 and 18 years old.
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Like Goku.

Zolo said:
Pretty much all the cast look like they haven't aged since they were 18 aside from maybe Chichi. Personally, I think a big reason why they don't want to go past EoZ is because they don't want to change character designs.
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I took me ages to realise that Bulma was in her mid to late 20s in the Saiyan and Namek sagas. Meanwhile Chichi looks like she doubled in age since the final DB tournament.
 
Daingurse said:
Lack of training, and even further degradation of power. Gohan is a hell of a lot weaker now than he was in BoG. I have no faith in him being stronger than Piccolo at this point. Piccolo was as strong as a fresh Super Saiyan at the start of the Android Saga, pre Kami, and actually keeps up with his training. Basically, unless I see something going forward w/ Gohan, I have no confidence in his strength anymore. That's why the Piccolo Shisami thing bugged me, Piccolo should have been able to take him. Hell, Piccolo felt way too weak during that movie in-general.
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Shisami was originally supposed to be the strongest mercenary in the universe, but that subplot got cut out of the movie and so we end up with a random Freeza soldier (that gets compared to Zarbon and Dodoria, a line that wasn't even in Toriyama's script) matching Piccolo. I don't get why he wasn't just completely cut from the movie when they got to that point.

It seems like the Super anime might just use "Freeza training" as an excuse for Tagoma and Shisami suddenly being so strong (and Tagoma might apparently match Gohan).
 
Oh and those Goten Fans that want him to grow up so he can be part of the adult gang

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like Gohan he is nothing.... Goku knows this too


Pan is the one that will inherent Goku's will of fighting
 
Problem is all of Goku and Vegeta's kids/grankids lack the fighting spirit. Gohan became a scholar, which is the equivalent of a janitor in the DBZ world. Goten had his chance but ended up as a wannabe Hugh Heffner. Trunks was on course and had some potential until GT when he took the backseat to Goku. Pan never even becomes a super sayain. Bra is Bra.

They needed a kid that wanted to follow in their footsteps and become a strong fighter till the end, not giving up when they turn 13 and deciding to live life as a Yamcha
 
Nintendoga said:
Problem is all of Goku and Vegeta's kids/grankids lack the fighting spirit. Gohan became a scholar, which is the equivalent of a janitor in the DBZ world. Goten had his chance but ended up as a wannabe Hugh Heffner. Trunks was on course and had some potential until GT when he took the backseat to Goku. Pan never even becomes a super sayain. Bra is Bra.

They needed a kid that wanted to follow in their footsteps and become a strong fighter till the end, not giving up when they turn 13 and deciding to live life as a Yamcha
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I think the end of Z was trying to push Pan as Goku's true successor (her and Uub). Hopefully Super expands on this, if they ever manage to cover events after Z.
 
Nintendoga said:
Problem is all of Goku and Vegeta's kids/grankids lack the fighting spirit. Gohan became a scholar, which is the equivalent of a janitor in the DBZ world. Goten had his chance but ended up as a wannabe Hugh Heffner. Trunks was on course and had some potential until GT when he took the backseat to Goku. Pan never even becomes a super sayain. Bra is Bra.

They needed a kid that wanted to follow in their footsteps and become a strong fighter till the end, not giving up when they turn 13 and deciding to live life as a Yamcha
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GT is irrelevant when it comes to Toriyama stories. The only not GT apearence of Pan has her basically being like kid Goku, so if Toriyama takes the series past the End of Z then he will probably take her in that direction.
Third Strike said:
I think the end of Z was trying to push Pan as Goku's true successor (her and Uub). Hopefully Super expands on this, if they ever manage to cover events after Z.
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At End of Z we have Pan and Uub with great potential, Trunks and Goten are still young enough that they could be salvaged, we have Beerus and Whis, we're getting a new character in Unvierse 7 that is stronger than Super Saiyan God Goku and we're also going to get a whole new Universe. I feel like the Universe 6 arc might be a great way to set up a lot of strong, new characters so that when he go past End of Z we can have a sizable cast that fights since the active fighting cast has been whittled down over the years.
 
Saw this on Reddit: Goten looks like his grandma. lol.

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Found also my favorite piece of adult Goten art, the Goten we deserve.

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If there is a timeskip I don't think anything can be worse than GT Goten. When you're at the bottom, there's nowhere to go but up.
 
Man so much lamentation over Gohan.

He made his choice... let him be a family man and scholar. Leave the fighting to the people who still give a crap.
 
Dahbomb said:
Man so much lamentation over Gohan.

He made his choice... let him be a family man and scholar. Leave the fighting to the people who still give a crap.
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I think we were all, at the very least, expecting him to be ready to protect his family when the time needed, and not be reduced to such pitiful levels. :( Hopefully we'll get one more last good fight out of him.
 
ArchedThunder said:
GT is irrelevant when it comes to Toriyama stories. The only not GT apearence of Pan has her basically being like kid Goku, so if Toriyama takes the series past the End of Z then he will probably take her in that direction.
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I hope not. The least we need is a Goku clone. I'm actually glad that all of Goku's descendants were different to each other in GT. Kid Goten was more or less a kid Goku clone in DBZ and it annoyed me to no end.
 
Ishida said:
I hope not. The least we need is a Goku clone. I'm actually glad that all of Goku's descendants were different to each other in GT. Kid Goten was more or less a kid Goku clone in DBZ and it annoyed me to no end.
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Goten wasn't really anything like Goku though....
I like the idea of Goku finally getting a descendant that shares his love for fighting and it'd be great to finally get a female cast member that loves fighting.
 
The little we saw of Pan at the end of Z made her actually seem like a kid raised by goku (since she pretty much was) so she found fighting cool and was trying to beat her own time flying around the world.

I dug that.
 
SolVanderlyn said:
I've said it before, but the idea proposed in Dragonball Online, where Goten and Trunks learn how to infuse ki into their swords and become ki swordsman, is such a great idea.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Kikoukenjutsu_Sword_School
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That's all after Goku's death though (when he starts losing strength due to his death approaching and then decides to have a final match with Vegeta, where both disappear). So, we probably won't ever see it in any Dragonball series even if they decide to stick with the DB Online future.
 
Sibersk Esto said:
The little we saw of Pan at the end of Z made her actually seem like a kid raised by goku (since she pretty much was) so she found fighting cool and was trying to beat her own time flying around the world.

I dug that.
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yes that is the Pan we all deserve

hopefully we get that Pan and when she grows up beats up her Dad and Uncle in Tournament like children
 
Why was frieza brought back like that? Tien's little friend's body was reduced to dust, and so was krillin, and they came back just fine.
 
SolVanderlyn said:
I've said it before, but the idea proposed in Dragonball Online, where Goten and Trunks learn how to infuse ki into their swords and become ki swordsman, is such a great idea.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Kikoukenjutsu_Sword_School
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So even in the future Goten doesn't have a personality and just copies/follows whatever Trunks does.

In the fan manga Dragon Ball Multiverse, one of the characters call them "the two halves of Gotenks", and that's pretty much all they are.
 
fawaz said:
Why was frieza brought back like that? Tien's little friend's body was reduced to dust, and so was krillin, and they came back just fine.
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The Namekian dragon said at least for Krillin he put his body back together as an extra. Earth dragon apparently isn't that nice.
 
SolVanderlyn said:
Can we talk about the real best thing about the dub
the only good thing Faulconer ever did


Trunks version
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This just made me imagine a Blade Runner esque Future Trunks side story that happens after the wake of the android 17/18 fights in his timeline. Possibly before or after he becomes a time patroller in Xenoverse.

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As much as people will defend and have fandom over Gohan, I must admit I'm the same when it comes to Future Trunks.
 
Ishida said:
I hope not. The least we need is a Goku clone. I'm actually glad that all of Goku's descendants were different to each other in GT. Kid Goten was more or less a kid Goku clone in DBZ and it annoyed me to no end.
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She could like training or fighting and still be different from Goku by having a different personality and maybe different secondary interests. If you think that enjoying training/fighting is enough for a Goku clone, then all Half-Saiyans in GT are clones of each other, since they go in the opposite direction, none of them serious caring about fighting, which is a core element of the series.

fawaz said:
Why was frieza brought back like that? Tien's little friend's body was reduced to dust, and so was krillin, and they came back just fine.
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Chaotzu's body was put together by Kamisama for Kaio's training. Kuririn's body was put together as a "special service" from Porunga, implying that it wasn't part of the wish. They did ignore that rule every time there was a mass resurrection though, like when everyone revived in the Namek Saga and in the Buu Saga.
 
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