Kilgrave. Kingpin. Loki.
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Not sure how he was ever "cool" give the shit he's responsible for from the start, but okay. Also, you realise the point of a villain is not to be cool, right?
PeskyToaster
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The great thing about the Netflix villains is that they are actually menacing. They really fuck people up unlike others, especially in the MCU. I put Kilgrave ahead of Kingpin because Kingpin had that lame romance thing with art gallery lady. Every scene with Kilgrave is great.
Subpar Spatula
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You read wrong. Not cool as in "he's a charismatic character who we find to be popular in universe" but "this is a cool character, I like to watch him." Think of cool as gauge to be interesting or liked.
Manmademan
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eh? that's a central point of the character. Kingpin's empire goes to shit once he allows his relationship with vanessa to compromise his judgement.
His empire went to shit when he began staring at walls like he was shoot brain damaged.
Manmademan
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nah.
Marvel doesn't really need the spider-villains. 99% of them don't make sense as antagonists for anyone but spider man (or maybe luke cage and/or the defenders) since they spend the majority of their time on petty street level crime beneath the notice of SHIELD.
seriously though, there are no shortage of amazing villains that haven't yet made it to television or movies that no one is aware of, because most people don't read comics.
I mean, everyone in here is talking about the freaking purple man as the second coming of jesus in terms of on screen villains. There are plenty of dudes with resumes that make the things he's done completely trivial.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Killgrave, Kingpin, Loki, and Ward all heavily benefit from extended screen time and character development. And yeah, they're the best.
I do really like Yellow-Jacket though:
He's a straight up lunatic with daddy issues. I also thought Whitehall in Agents of SHIELD was a good villain.
I do really like Yellow-Jacket though:
He's a straight up lunatic with daddy issues. I also thought Whitehall in Agents of SHIELD was a good villain.
Pai Pai Master
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Seriously. All Ultron needed was one showstopper fight with him really taking it to Cap and/or Thor. The fight in the shipyard really should have had him beat down the team before Wanda got to their heads.
In the final battle Thor and Ultron are battling for a good long while before Vision joins in with the hammer. Ultron is taking Thor 1v1 and we barely get to see it. I think if we did, he would have come across as menacing and powerful as he should have been intended.
As well as he should have killed Quicksilver with his own two hands. Having him use the Quinjet really undersold his raw strength. The guy could practically manipulate gravity in the Seoul chase but we never saw that again.
I really do love Age of Ultron, and I think Whedon did a terrific job writing the characters but he absolutely failed Ultron in terms of combat prowess and that really brings the movie down a notch when your villain is threatening to civilians but not as much to your heroes.
DoctorFling
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The Shocker will beat these chumps
Manmademan
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Ultron grabbing an approaching Quicksilver with one hand then snapping his neck with the other would've been an "oh shit" moment.
Kingpin plays second fiddle to his right hand Wesley. At one point, I thought they'd reveal Kingpin is a fake and Wesley was the actual boss. He could do everything what Fisk could, but he retained his cool way longer. Kingpin was a hothead whose plans fell apart all the time. Wesley was the mastermind there.
Tom Hiddleston is a fantastic actor, but Loki doesn't get him acting enough. Saw The Hollow Crown and damn he is a really, really strong actor. Although, Thor does the trick somewhat, but he is heavily underused in Avengers and The Dark World. Still the best actor in most of his Marvel movies.
Kilgrave is a great character, David Tennant is a fantastic actor. He makes him a man, a sympathic man that is clearly broken. He outplays the character, I think he is the best despite the direction. Tennant becomes Kilgrave so he outperforms the show.
Tom Hiddleston is a fantastic actor, but Loki doesn't get him acting enough. Saw The Hollow Crown and damn he is a really, really strong actor. Although, Thor does the trick somewhat, but he is heavily underused in Avengers and The Dark World. Still the best actor in most of his Marvel movies.
Kilgrave is a great character, David Tennant is a fantastic actor. He makes him a man, a sympathic man that is clearly broken. He outplays the character, I think he is the best despite the direction. Tennant becomes Kilgrave so he outperforms the show.
th.. they aren't?
That honour should probably go to Malekith, for how Marvel got Eccleston and then gave him absolutely nothing.
As someone that loves Daredevil a great deal as has watched it multiple times, I don't see what makes Wesley a better villain than Kingpin when is so clearly a lackey in every meaning of the word. He has little agency to do as he pleases, and he doesn't want it, he doesn't crave it. So, yes, while he has that swagger, I still don't see him as a bona fide villain so much as the villain's secretary - which is pretty much what he is in the show. He is likable, he has a great voice, especially when he utters the words "We. Don't. Say. His. Name," but ultimately, you just know in every scene that he ain't shit in the bigger picture.
Nobu, Madam Gao, the Ranskahov brothers and Owlsley are all individually dangerous in my estimation.
Also finding it a little odd that some posters criticise Kingpin for being a manchild in the same breath they praise Kilgrave. They're both manchildren.
Nobu, Madam Gao, the Ranskahov brothers and Owlsley are all individually dangerous in my estimation.
Also finding it a little odd that some posters criticise Kingpin for being a manchild in the same breath they praise Kilgrave. They're both manchildren.
Vincent Alexander
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Yep. And at least Kingpin is a relateable manchild unlike Kilgrave.
Kingpin isn't meant to be relatable.
zorlaczerohero
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Slaughtercrypt is the best in my opinion, then Kingpin. Ward is just an annoying psychopath. Loki is comedy relief.
Man, I had completely forgotten that Christopher Eccleston was in the role for Malekith. Comes to show how forgetful that film was to me. :/
Yep. None of the others have come close to registering as real menaces.
Vincent Alexander
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1) Did you ask the creators?
2) Yes, he is
As others have noted, Kingpin staring at the wall undefined that.
ETA - no, he isn't. The show points out his human side solely to show us that he's a really fucked up monster. Unlike Matthew, he'll throw his mission to the side the second he can get laid - all his honour is a smokescreen, he's just a thug with delusions of eloquence. And Vanessa is no better. Fascinating characters, but utterly vile in a brilliant way.
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I get the thematic point of why he does it, but I still think it was an odd way to introduce the character and combines with his childish tantrums to create an oddness. But, as I've noted, this was his origin and his Born Again arc will be GOAT.
Pretty much this, I hated him in the show
Haven't read the comics so I'm sure he's more menacing in that
So it's not of my opinion that Fisk is the best villain and not Kilgrave?
-Pyromaniac-
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Kilgrave is cool but he seemed really beatable. Punisher would have killed him in 1 second flat.
I actually really do not like Kingpin's execution in Daredevil. I would probably take far less developed one-offs like Yellowjacket and Iron Monger over him, because at least they were effective.
D'onofrio is a complete ham. Him attempting to speak Mandarin is like, a bottom-5 acting moment this year. Any time he actually flips out and starts yelling, I can't help but laugh at how fucking silly it is. They completely fail to earn the idea that he's "trying to help his city", but they insist that's what he believes for 12 episodes and then they completely light switch his "I'm actually the bad guy" speech at the end. There was no moment where he was forced to confront the fact that he was hurting, not helping. It's telling instead of showing and that's bad TV writing 101.
Kilgrave is the only one I actually really liked. The best villains have the most interesting relationships with their corresponding heroes. Matt and Fisk have almost nothing to do with each other on a personal level, the only struggle there is thematic.
D'onofrio is a complete ham. Him attempting to speak Mandarin is like, a bottom-5 acting moment this year. Any time he actually flips out and starts yelling, I can't help but laugh at how fucking silly it is. They completely fail to earn the idea that he's "trying to help his city", but they insist that's what he believes for 12 episodes and then they completely light switch his "I'm actually the bad guy" speech at the end. There was no moment where he was forced to confront the fact that he was hurting, not helping. It's telling instead of showing and that's bad TV writing 101.
Kilgrave is the only one I actually really liked. The best villains have the most interesting relationships with their corresponding heroes. Matt and Fisk have almost nothing to do with each other on a personal level, the only struggle there is thematic.
How so? Victim of parental abuse and witness to domestic abuse, victim of bullying by agemates and early separation are all relatable traits.
edit; you probably meant Kilgrave, didn't you?
User 73706
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And Kilgrave is?
I think he probably meant Kilgrave.
A huge part of Kilgrave's arc is the fact that can't be relatable. "You don't know what it's like to have this power, to never know if someone is doing something because they want to or because they have to". His entire personality is warped by something no real person is ever going to relate to.
Being relatable has never actually been important for a villain, though. The most popular comic-book villain ever, by a margin, is maybe the least relatable ever.
I still think Yellowjacket was surprisingly solid.
Most Marvel villains have the problem of just not sticking around after their initial movie. They're one-and-done. Which is a shame, since a lot of villains are worth keeping around instead of being just monster-of-the-week hand-offs.
Kilgrave > Loki, in my opinion.
I honestly didn't really care too much for Kingpin. He was well written but the actor just didn't do that' great of a job. A lot of times he came off really silly to the point where he made Kingpin seem less threatening than what the scene was portraying.
I honestly didn't really care too much for Kingpin. He was well written but the actor just didn't do that' great of a job. A lot of times he came off really silly to the point where he made Kingpin seem less threatening than what the scene was portraying.
Neither one is relatable. They both use their pasts as an excuse, and it's instantly shot down. Having a shitty past doesn't justify the horrendous things they do. Especially as their attempts to act like their pasts justify their actions make them sound like pathetic children.
I mean they're grounded in realism so it's not quite as absurd as Loki whining when he's got a life of luxury, but it's still two assholes using daddy issues to justify fucking up other people's lives for vague reasons.
And that doesn't detract from both being excellent villains. Their pathetic self- justifications just make them the right kind of unlikeable, whether its Wilson being a big baby or Kilgrave not understanding what consent is.
I mean they're grounded in realism so it's not quite as absurd as Loki whining when he's got a life of luxury, but it's still two assholes using daddy issues to justify fucking up other people's lives for vague reasons.
And that doesn't detract from both being excellent villains. Their pathetic self- justifications just make them the right kind of unlikeable, whether its Wilson being a big baby or Kilgrave not understanding what consent is.
HP_Wuvcraft
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What has Ward ever done that justifies his fandom?
I haven't finished Daredevil so I couldn't say about Kingpin but Kilgrave is the best comic book villain in tv and movies I've seen.
I like Loki but I don't care for him much as a villain.
Can't say I particularly found any other Marvel villains to leave an impression besides the guy from Iron Man 3 who was hilarious but not really a villain exactly.
I like Loki but I don't care for him much as a villain.
Can't say I particularly found any other Marvel villains to leave an impression besides the guy from Iron Man 3 who was hilarious but not really a villain exactly.
Mengy
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I personally think Kingpin is the best MCU villain so far. Killgrave is super menacing and Loki is super charming but Kingpin's story and development in Daredevil was awesome, he practically stole the show from everyone else IMHO.
Except for one other person:
Yeah, Wesley was an awesome character and
. Wesley was almost more menacing than Kingpin.
Except for one other person:
The best Villian was a # 2 guy.
Yeah, Wesley was an awesome character and
I was sad to see him go
Loki > Killgrave > Kingpin.
Could never get past that stupid Kingpin voice, and I couldn't care less about his character. Just plain boring, period.
Killgrave himself is mostly boring, spoiler spoiler
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Loki is the only one that is witty, can tell a joke, and crosses the line between evil and a hero. Plus, he has god daddy issues, not mundane human daddy issues. He also has the best villain costume.
Both DD and JJ should have been a 6 episode season. DD has the entire pointless Russian mob arc as filler, while JJ just crawls all the to the end.
Could never get past that stupid Kingpin voice, and I couldn't care less about his character. Just plain boring, period.
Killgrave himself is mostly boring, spoiler spoiler
but he gets bonus points due to the funny ways he gets people killed.
Loki is the only one that is witty, can tell a joke, and crosses the line between evil and a hero. Plus, he has god daddy issues, not mundane human daddy issues. He also has the best villain costume.
Both DD and JJ should have been a 6 episode season. DD has the entire pointless Russian mob arc as filler, while JJ just crawls all the to the end.
Vincent Alexander
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I'd argue Loki had fucked up daddy issues too. But in the end, I still think Kingpin is the most relateable out of all of them. Loki next. Kilgrave probably last the more I think about it. Relateability doesn't necessarily mean you have to relate to every single aspect of a character. Bits and pieces of their personality is all it takes. And it also doesn't mean the villain is justified.
For me, It's great to see Kingpin and his actions, understand his motivations, his reasoning, like him/relate to him for some of it, and STILL decide that in the end he is wrong (In the good vs evil sort-of way).
Kind of rambling...Hope that came out as something sensical.
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