Dragon Ball Super |OT| 28 Episodes Later
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Lol at the big debate about power hierarchy..
Narative wise, i think the idea is Tagoma did something surpising and a low blow, and Gohan couldn't have seen it coming. It's more important there to create a strong and evil new character, and will serve next episodes better.
That's good booking, and good booking isn't always respecting fan fantasies.
Narative wise, i think the idea is Tagoma did something surpising and a low blow, and Gohan couldn't have seen it coming. It's more important there to create a strong and evil new character, and will serve next episodes better.
That's good booking, and good booking isn't always respecting fan fantasies.
ArchedThunder
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Yeah, Gohan has gotten weaker, to the point that he isn't even sure if he can still go Super Saiyan. When Tagoma is fighting them all off in the NEP Gohan is in his base form. For all we know Gohan will kick his ass once he goes Super Saiyan. I think it's more likely that Tagoma is Perfect Cell/Dabura level.
with all the shit Krillin has seen and gone through, i can't blame him
Pankratous
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One thing I don't understand is how Goku thinks he isn't a match for Beerus yet.
They were so close to being on par during their fight and he's been training for months now.
They were so close to being on par during their fight and he's been training for months now.
ArchedThunder
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They actually weren't, Beerus was holding back the whole fight. In the movie version he says he used 70% of his power, but if I remember correctly in Super he doesn't specify how much power he actually used, just that him saying that he was using all of his power was a lie. Whis also made a comment a few episodes ago about them still being far below Beerus (using a small tree in comparison to Beerus's castle to compare the difference).
The Silver
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Beerus said he was gonna go 100% but then at the end he revealed he was still holding back and lied just to get Goku to go all out.
shadowsdarknes
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For all we know, Beerus has a secret transformation!
Yep. Just look at when they fire both of their attacks at each other and they combine into a universe-busting ki ball: that was Goku going all out, Beerus matching him, and then still being in control of the whole thing.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
This ep owned
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Krillin used that move he only used once ever
Some of the tournament fights in Dragon Ball, arguably. Jackie Chun vs Goku, the fight against Baba's men. Goku and Piccolo vs Radditz. Goku vs Piccolo during the last tournament before Z.
Yajirobe vs. Vegeta.
when was this O.O I would like to read that
Goku pretty much all the time. in fact, almost every big bad final fight.
DragonSworne
Banned
The whole namek saga.
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
Gohan I understand that you have a child but use your fucking brain man! If you know that there are threats in the galaxy that can threaten your daughter's peace and well being, why don't you start taking your training seriously and get out the books so when there is an impending threat looming, something more powerful than Frieza, then you can combat it and not have to wait for Goku or Vegeta!? What happens when they're not around? Toriyama get your writing together! You would think Gohan would've learned for the Buu and his overly laxed behavior then... Nope.
Not sure that's often true.
What I'm getting at is skill level being used to consitently outclass the more powerful guy.
Astral Dog
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NeonZ
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The oddest thing is that you can see that the script writers know that when you look at Gohan's lines, like how he previously mentioned he'd try to do his part to protect the planet and now his lines about having a family and protecting them, but yet there's a disconnect between those lines and the overall direction of his character (which is tied to Toriyama's guideline).
Really, the root of all this is Toriyama wanting to avoid heavier character stuff in his new work. An hero who dislikes fighting but does it to protect others seems like it goes against the direction that Toriyama wants for the franchise now, where the protagonists all enjoy fighting, with protecting the world as a secondary matter.
Parallax Scroll
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It's a cool move
Piccolo seemed to have a clear disadvantage in power level vs Frieza(first transformation) and was still getting the upper hand for the most part by being smarter/slicker. At least that's how I'm remembering it. lol
TheSpoiler
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Nope. Vegeta and co. flat out admit that Piccolo is stronger than Frieza.
Astral Dog
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He got a power up by mentally training and fusing with that warrior Nmekian but he was clearly above first form Frieza in power.
Icyflamez96
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That's what I never understood, but I do think he'll "get" that at some point in start training again for the sole purpose of being ready to protect his loved ones rather than training just because he wants to be the strongest (like Goku and Vegeta)
Good episode.
Loved that Frieza singled out Krillin of all the fighters. Pretty evil. And, it was really cool to see the old attacks appear. Kamehameha Wave, Special beam cannon, and Tri-Beam. Krillin's attack was pretty cool too. Only thing I didn't like was explanation for Buu not being there. That was kind of stupid.
Haven't read the thread since my last post but is there an explanation for the title of the next episode? I haven't see the movie. Something about Ginyuu?
Are you referring what he did to Gohan? I don't think that was healing in that sense. Gohan's heart stopped and Piccolo restarted it with some kind of blast. Senzu bean healed him.
Loved that Frieza singled out Krillin of all the fighters. Pretty evil. And, it was really cool to see the old attacks appear. Kamehameha Wave, Special beam cannon, and Tri-Beam. Krillin's attack was pretty cool too. Only thing I didn't like was explanation for Buu not being there. That was kind of stupid.
Haven't read the thread since my last post but is there an explanation for the title of the next episode? I haven't see the movie. Something about Ginyuu?
Are you referring what he did to Gohan? I don't think that was healing in that sense. Gohan's heart stopped and Piccolo restarted it with some kind of blast. Senzu bean healed him.
This is what Dragon Ball has always been about.
Dunno why people are so obsessed with changing Dragon Ball to be about a guy who doesn't enjoy fighting.
Toriyama Remembered
Oh I thought Piccolo was using the same ability Dende used on namek.
To me it looked like he just acted as a defribulator.
BladeoftheImmortal
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I loved this episode. Tagoma getting a boost has been awesome. RoF was bad because there was only one threat and that was Freeza. Once Goku and Vegeta arrived, all tension evaporated. I'm actually feeling the tension right now with Tagoma being a threat.
Gives the Zfighters something to do besides beating up on 1000 lowlevel goons that they could all probably beat by themselves. Makes Tagoma an awesome new character (seriously, best new villian in a long time) and gives some legitimate tension to the whole affair. I'm actually more pissed Ginyu is coming back instead of letting tagoma be the new bad. I like it much more as is.
Ginyu's personality isn't as menacing as a Freeza minion that actually is serious and a legitimate threat. Oh well.
Gives the Zfighters something to do besides beating up on 1000 lowlevel goons that they could all probably beat by themselves. Makes Tagoma an awesome new character (seriously, best new villian in a long time) and gives some legitimate tension to the whole affair. I'm actually more pissed Ginyu is coming back instead of letting tagoma be the new bad. I like it much more as is.
Ginyu's personality isn't as menacing as a Freeza minion that actually is serious and a legitimate threat. Oh well.
shadowsdarknes
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I welcome the power and threat of Tagoma, but I can't exactly say he's particularly awesome or likable. He learned some evil traits from Frieza. Not all that exciting to me.
RedAssedApe
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Thought Tagoma was gonna be a jobber based on how first form freeza abused him last episode. Talk made them sound like zarbon and Dodoria tier.
BladeoftheImmortal
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His poweringup stance was awesome and menacing. Loved that part.
Icyflamez96
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The Buu explanation was so whack lol
DiipuSurotu
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Future Trunks doesn't like fighting either but he's a fan favorite and his arc was awesome. There's no reason Gohan couldn't be better written and still fit into "what Dragon Ball has always been about".
Crimsonlink
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Finally caught up. I think Gohan just needs to realize his precious baby girl is gonna be in danger if he doesn't shape up. Grandpa can cover her butt only so long. In the opening of Super, we can see Mystic Gohan so maybe something triggers the reaction from Gohan to get his butt back into shape. Anyways strongest Z fighter atm is down, how will the Z fighters come back from this? Find out on the next episode of Dragon Ball Super!
True, but I imagine that studying is taking up a ridiculous amount of his free time alone. Then he has his wife, daughter and regular responsibilities to deal with. He definitely needs to train some more but at the same time, he is pretty much juggling a lot more than Goku ever was at one time. Eh, we'll see what happens. Can't wait to see more of the upcoming arcs, anything could happen at this point.
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