I think he's plenty strong enough to beat up kidnappers, pedos, and stuff already.
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I think he's plenty strong enough to beat up kidnappers, pedos, and stuff already.
Crimsonlink
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Pretty sure Gohan is done with University and is a regular lecturer for students as mentioned in one of the episodes. Also it wouldn't take much to train once a week at the very least for like 1 hour. He might not get stronger, but at least he wouldn't have to wonder if he can go Super Saiyan or not.
? How is that relevant to what I said? No one on Earth is a threat to Pan with Gohan there until Frieza came in with his army and now Gohan is down due to Frieza's sidekick, not even Frieza himself.
CryptiK
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Gohans time will come they are just making him into Yamcha for the ultimate twist you watch
Right guys? Right? They can have made him this useless.
Cause we're talking about protecting Pan specifically.
Nemesis121
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Gohan such a weakling in 2015...lol..
Crimsonlink
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..... I'm sorry you lost me completely in that train of logic. How are planet destroying Gods and Tyrants that Gohan doesn't stand a chance against, comparable to kidnappers and pedos that Gohan can just look at and Kiai blast away? Like this is Dragon Ball, the biggest worry they have is Beerus coming back and not finding his food ready in time and forcing Goku and Vegeta to fight him over something trivial like that. Freiza coming back so strong is a surprise and Gohan is paying for not training by being knocked out by the sidekick. If it wasn't for plot, Frieza could just blow up the planet, meaning Pan is dead and Goku would have to get the Namek Dragon Balls to revive everyone.
Gohan should be training to make sure Pan has a planet to live on. He doesn't have to be the strongest but good enough to where he can handle the sidekicks and leave the big bad to Grandpa Goku and Uncle Vegeta. Those kidnappers and pedos are people even Hercule can take care of and nothing dark like that would happen in this show anyways.
What a Kiai blast is for those that don't know.
Bad guys basically follow Goku and Pan lives at home aith her mommy. You were talking about like protecting Pan and stuff lmao.
LordOfChaos
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If it was the Zenkai he'd end up as strong as Freiza, wouldn't he? This is just being able to train literally to near death every day, then be revived for the next day, for four months. Not the near death Zenkai boost.
OldAsUrSock
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We all know why Sayains get powerful fast and we know how Namekians can get power boosts through Piccolo, but not even a hint on why Tagoma can increase power by so much. They haven't even mentioned inherent skill within him.
Not stronger than Kid buu but at least around his power. Piccolo and Gohan are basically cell power , so two cell power levels within Krillin helping as well means that Tagoma definitely more powerful than fat buu, weaker than Buuhan, so that leaves Super buu or Kid buu which were relatively close in power.
Everyone complaining about Gohan ... Lol
Goku went up against Beerus, and Gohan doubts himself. Of corse he's going to stall for his dad instead of getting his ass kicked and the planet destroyed. "He should protect his daughter" the dude is smart enough to know that Goku always fucking wins so why bother training when he could be a dad
Goku went up against Beerus, and Gohan doubts himself. Of corse he's going to stall for his dad instead of getting his ass kicked and the planet destroyed. "He should protect his daughter" the dude is smart enough to know that Goku always fucking wins so why bother training when he could be a dad
Future Trunks requires everyone else being dead tho.
Gohan can be that kind of hero, but he has to be cornered into it. Not going to happen with Goku and Vegeta around. Could happen if the tournament arc ends up taking away Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo and Buu tho.
Pan herself will be strong enough for that soon enough.
Whis sort of seemed annoyed and tired of goku and vegeta's presence this episode. He was enjoying it up until that point and his tutoring seemed to be having an impact on their development, but now he is like, "you don't need me, do this shit in your own backyard" then zaps them into the neatherealm. That was odd to me.
CryptiK
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Because Goku doesn't always win... That was the whole point of BoG, the Android Saga, Cell Saga and most of the Buu saga.
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I'm eager to learn who the person Beerus mentioned is, I hope its a female. That'd be a cool change to the Dragon Ball cannon and would drive Vegeta and Goku to become stronger.
LordOfChaos
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Oh yeah, what was with that? I thought Nameks had different types, Piccilo was the warrior type, and only Dende among our group was a healer. They made a plot point of that difference in the original Freiza saga actually. Or did that change after the merge with Kami?
It's the same logic as "Leave 18 behind to take care of daughter, in case the earth daughter is on blows up"...Err, how about throwing everything they have at having the earth not blow up.
I only think Piccolo restarted his heart. The senzu bean filled in the wound, I think. If Piccolo can straight up heal now that's new to me.
CryptiK
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He just started his heart again. The senzu bean did the healing.
LordOfChaos
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With Krillin at least if someone came for his daughter or he lost, he knows 18 is stronger than him and has a better chance and defending their daughter than he does it he stayed home
Looked like he had hole in his chest cavity, probably punctured a lung or something. Not sure it was his heart. This definitely made more sense in the movie, with Frieza stopping his heart with blunt force.
No way is Gohan as strong as he was when he fought Cell. He was weaker when fighting Dabura and that was after a few months of training in preparation for the tournament. He's lapsed even more since then. Tagoma is Imperfect Cell level at best.
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DragonTeam got to 20 fast, so I expect 21 to be fairly quick this time around too.
so Ginyu is coming back in next episode? Lol. surely not with his original body so I guess at least he is spared from the vomit that is this new art.
Gohan has no hope at this point, even in last chapter of the manga they confirmed (again) his Yamcha-tier status
Future Trunks should come back under the justification that he found out his younger self is a really shitty annoying character
What if he comes back and dies?
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Lord Virgin
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That whole Future Trunks is kinda weird (tho I loved the movie). Why didn't King Kai just contact the Nameks? I'm sure after their death, Goku/Gohan/Vegeta all went to his planet to train. Couldn't the Nameks just wish them back?
Yeah, that's kind of the one back-of-my-mind thought that always kind of soured the Android/Cell saga for me. Trunks and Bulma figure out how to fucking time travel but nobody thinks about building a ship to head to New Namek to use the other dragon balls.
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Sibersk Esto
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Now to be fair the only way they got there last time was using the original namekian's space ship (which was destroyed), and Goku got there after Dr. Briefs reverse engineered a ship from his baby pod, so who knows if they had the knowledge or time to build a spaceship unnoticed.
Also did the namekian dragon balls have the same limitations like "can't wish someone back if they died from natural causes" or "died more than a year ago?" Because if that was the case then none of the Z-warriors could be revived.
And no, Vegeta would not have gone to king kai's since he was still pretty evil and would not be allowed to keep his body.
Also did the namekian dragon balls have the same limitations like "can't wish someone back if they died from natural causes" or "died more than a year ago?" Because if that was the case then none of the Z-warriors could be revived.
And no, Vegeta would not have gone to king kai's since he was still pretty evil and would not be allowed to keep his body.
Isn't there some arbitrary rule about not being able to wish back people who died of natural causes? Not sure if I made that up or not.
Wouldn't excuse Gohan/Vegeta having to stay dead, though.
EDIT: Looks like I'm not the only one who thinks that!
The bolded, though, if true, has been retconned. Because Freiza. O:
correct me if im wrong. roshi's power level has always stayed at 139 throughout the entirety of the dragonball/z series. the fact that he supposed held his own further supports how shit tier gohan has become/ been portrayed (the biggest nerf of all the nerfing, even bigger than the early buu saga nerf). tagoma who was noted to be even stronger than ginyu whose power level maxed at roughly 110,000. unless tagoma got at least 10-100x stronger, he shouldnt be able to give normal gohan a rough time let alone one shotting him with a weak ass looking tennis ball size of a energy ball. the theme don't let your guard down is absolute bs. in addition, not even piccolo should have a rough time, if you want to make a villain look tough, at least give them some goddamn credentials like, oh shit!!! this guy is almost as rough as cell etc. not some bs ginyu tier whom tien or krillin would be on par with.
tfs got it right ages ago
https://youtu.be/tRaGcdIOARo?t=15
this mini arc only get redeemed if vegeta gets the killing blow on frieza otherwise this series aint gonna redeem shit
tfs got it right ages ago
https://youtu.be/tRaGcdIOARo?t=15
maybe after this current arc there may be a chance for redemption
Sibersk Esto
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You guys really got to get it through your heads that power levels mean nothing, only the moment to moment plot stuff. Toriyama said as much years ago, so don't get hung up if you think the reason one character is stronger or weaker than another is flimsy.
yes they do
It opened up the Pandora's Box for sure lol. I myself just can't let them go, even tho Toriyama has long stated that they were never the end all be all.
judging on the next episode's preview
a 139 power level roshi getting murdered evenly with the z warriors by an even stronger than ginyu tagoma may as well suggest that you could insert an outta nowhere plot device (roshi's power level increased by a thousand fold after finding the rare turtle temple). if you go by some dbz logic, roshi could have exploded to death after receiving a body shot/gut punch. reason why im putting out this argument is if you remember ssj2 gohan one shotting cell jrs as well as teen gohan one shotting perfect form frieza (from one of the dbz movies)
Well Freiza is familiar with Future Trunks, I suppose. But who else...? EDIT: Oh, right, Buu, I guess. But they don't really know his power level or whatever.
Advice for the future: don't just shit out three words in response to someone when you disagree with them. Kinda rude to not even explain why you disagree. :3
It is a bit absurd how much power levels get discussed in this thread.
Like I enjoy a good "who's stronger" conversation as much as the next guy but seems like people here are taking it way too seriously.
it shouldn't have, but it set a precedent. there only a couple of exceptions to the strongest dont always win but they were not from the result of "dont let your guard down"
Didn't we already see Ginyu in a flashback? Or was that in the movie.
Exploratory
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The only reason they moved away from power levels was because they didn't want to be held accountable for bullshit. Vegeta getting mad and damaging Beerus when SSJ3 Goku couldn't do shit wouldn't fly in the power level era.
Anyway is this show good yet?
Anyway is this show good yet?
Yes but I have enjoyed it from the beginning
No, I think it has more to do with Toriyama being lazy and 7+ digit numbers.
NeonZ
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The official power level chart claims that, but in the manga itself he has a line about training and improving for the 22nd Budokai (which is also easily noticeable considering how he was barely stronger than Goku in the 21st Budokai, but wasn't much behind Tenshinhan in the 22nd, even though between those two Goku goes from easily losing to easily beating Tao Pai Pai).
Still Roshi here fights in Max Power mode all the time, something he never did previously, only using it to power up the Kamehameha, suggesting that he has improved again. And we never had a PL for Max Power Roshi in the first place, only base Roshi.
Gohan was specifically noted as holding back in order to not kill his opponents. At that point, he probably had his power just strong enough to tank Shisami, while Tagoma was way above that.
The Ginyu comparison is meant to be stupid though, which is why Tagoma talks almost like he hadn't heard about them before. He's way beyond their level now.
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