Ted Cruz: 'The Overwhelming Majority Of Violent Criminals Are Democrats'

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I recently saw a jail survey, and most people in jail identify as democrats. I'm not sure he is factually wrong here, as crazy as he is.
 
Sylas said:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/jail-survey-nearly-34-felons-register-as-democrats/article/2541412



A study shows this to be statistically true--but you then have to look into why it's true. Which, y'know, isn't in his wheelhouse. But he's not factually incorrect.
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Right - you can make all kinds of factual but meaningless claims about groups of people that says nothing about them or the thing they happen to have in common.

It's like saying majority of car accidents involve people who went through a drive thru for fast food. But majority of drivers have used a drive thru for fast food.
 
Wyndstryker said:
It's because the rich republicans can buy they way out of being caught as a violent criminal.

But yeah. I'd love to see the data on this.
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Actually, the people who make statistics, aka atheist scientists, have a liberal bias and tweak the data so this fact does not show up.
 
Cruz responded that he hadn't either.
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Uh, yes you have. Two of them are endorsing you. Flip Benham and Troy Newman.

He put out a press release specifically touting Troy Newman's endorsement who to this day maintains a list of addresses and photos of abortion providers.
 
j-wood said:
I recently saw a jail survey, and most people in jail identify as democrats. I'm not sure he is factually wrong here, as crazy as he is.
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Around half of all prisoners are in for non violent crimes. Also Republicans tend to state that they want to be very harsh and punishing on crime (and pro death penalty) while Democrats lean more towards rehabilitation, shorter sentences and better treatment. So that probably has a lot to do with it. Not that it matters in the end since they can't vote (even when they get out, which is stupid).

You should also know that the US is facing an unprecedented amount of right-wing terrorism:

In contrast, right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities, according to a study by Arie Perliger, a professor at the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center. The toll has increased since the study was released in 2012.

Now I haven't seen any studies on it, but I can't even begin to imagine that anything similar is currently going on on "the left".
 
EskimoJoe said:
Hmmm. I'm actually curious about the data on this.
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Blacks commit far more homicides than whites in the US, especially given their population shares: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

I'm sure he's probably technically right, as minorities are more likely to vote Democratic. The conclusions he's drawing as to why are the suspect part. It's an obvious correlative fallacy. Minorities certainly wouldn't be voting for democrats for a reasons like they appreciate their positions on income inequality or addressing racism, no sir. Must be the criminals who want to be let off easy.

And this:

During a discussion of the shooting with Cruz, conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt said, "I have never met — not once — a single pro-life activist who is in favor of violence of any sort."

Cruz responded that he hadn't either.
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So you haven't met one, but are they seriously saying that the guy who committed the shooting wasn't actually a pro-life activist?
 
Fuchsdh said:
Blacks commit far more homicides than whites in the US, especially given their population shares: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

I'm sure he's probably technically right, as minorities are more likely to vote Democratic. The conclusions he's drawing as to why are the suspect part. It's an obvious correlative fallacy. Minorities certainly wouldn't be voting for democrats for a reasons like they appreciate their positions on income inequality or addressing racism, no sir. Must be the criminals who want to be let off easy.

And this:



So you haven't met one, but are they seriously saying that the guy who committed the shooting wasn't actually a pro-life activist?
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Who cares about "the data" as to how many voters per party are in prison, it's the completely wrong approach to take. The issue is not a matter of "show me the number of people voting X doing crime and then the number of people voting Y doing crime". The point is that some people on the right are "driven by the political rhetoric" (Glenn Beck, Fox News, Alex Jones, Republican Frontrunners, etc) to terrorism and that is not something we see among Democrats or the Democratic party.
 
The fact that people are running into semantic arguments about this is the rhetorical power of Ted Cruz. He knows exactly what he's doing, which data to manipulate to set up a dog whistle people will be willing to defend.

The guy is vile, and one of the smartest guys in the running.
 
This is good. This is like saying the Republican party is the party of Lincoln. The Republican party ended slavery. It's true! It's a historical fact! Black voters, did you know the Republican party ended slavery?

Technically correct, the best kind of correct. Ted Cruz the master debater.
 
lmao @ the implication that criminals participate in politics

normal young and poor people barely vote. career criminals? lollllll. they dont even file taxes you think they registered democrat?
 
TheWarrior said:
What do you mean by this?
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I believe it refers to trash of the white variety, as such:
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Someone shoots up a college.
OBAMA: "We need gun law reform."
REPUBLICANS: "How dare Obama politicize a tragedy!"

Someone shoots up an abortion clinic.
REPUBLICAN: "Democrats are murderers!"
 
Ted Cruz looks like a bad actor every time he speaks. I don't buy his act and I don't think hes genuine at all. He looks like he's doing a Justin Bieber impression all the time.

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He's corny. It's like he thinks everything he says is the most epic speech of the century and its just not realistic.
 
Politifact says this is mostly false.

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Cruz said, "Here’s the simple and undeniable fact: The overwhelming majority of violent criminals are Democrats."

Research cited by the Cruz campaign supports the claim that, in at least three states, felons released from prison go on to register as Democrats at a disproportionately high rate following their release.

However, there are important caveats. The study in question looked at both violent and nonviolent felons without separating out those two groups. It’s not clear whether the patterns holds in the other 47 states. Also, the study didn’t look at active "criminals" but rather those who had already served their time. Finally, it’s hard to draw a line between cause and effect, particularly given the disproportionately high population of African-Americans -- a traditionally Democratic group -- in the criminal justice system.

We rate his statement Mostly False.
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...erwhelming-majority-violent-criminals-democr/
 
Kid Kamikaze10 said:
The fact that people are running into semantic arguments about this is the rhetorical power of Ted Cruz. He knows exactly what he's doing, which data to manipulate to set up a dog whistle people will be willing to defend.

The guy is vile, and one of the smartest guys in the running.
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This isn't coming from him. Strategic rhetoric like this is all from the think tanks.

A crime was just committed by a conservative, so the think tanks provide ammo for their candidates to misdirect. Cruz just looks at his emails or whatever and memorizes the talking points he'll use.
 
Guys, guys, I've just had a breakthrough.

I no longer feel any feelings of anger from what this guy says!

Huzzah.

Punish me like only a Democrat can if I'm too far behind the times.
 
animlboogy said:
The cognitive dissonance on display since the Planned Parenthood shooting is epic. Guys, he's actually a left wing liberal transgendered activist! No self-reflection required, he's actually one of them! Cruz 2016!
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Or the people who shot up a Black Lives Matters protest.

Those Syrian refugees though; they're the real danger. Not any of the right wing extremist nut jobs shooting people at what seems like a weekly rate picking targets a GOP candidate has railed against.
 
During a discussion of the shooting with Cruz, conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt said, "I have never met — not once — a single pro-life activist who is in favor of violence of any sort."
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That is an amazingly bold statement that is simultaneously not falsifiable.
 
Draft said:
This is good. This is like saying the Republican party is the party of Lincoln. The Republican party ended slavery. It's true! It's a historical fact! Black voters, did you know the Republican party ended slavery?

Technically correct, the best kind of correct. Ted Cruz the master debater.
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Hilariously...from Wikipedia, he is a historically good debater.

Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts in Public Policy from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992. While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship. In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year, and with his debate partner David Panton won Team of the Year. Cruz and Panton represented Harvard Law School at the 1995 World Debating Championship, but lost in the semi-finals to a team from Australia. Princeton's debate team later named their annual novice championship after Cruz.
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All those dirty criminal democrats with their marijuana and their bongs. Criminal drug scum all of them. And they vote democrats, coincidence? I think not! You see the Republican base has long since seen these druggie monsters on the streets with their legitimate medical usage and recreational usage those fucks. We can only hope our American boys in blue and the courts sort them out. God bless America, I say, God bless.

Now don't get me started on black people...
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Please hire me as your speech writer Teddie-chan!
 
scoobidoo112 said:
I could look up the polls if anyone wants me to, but there are plenty of Republicans on the far right (ranging from 5% to at least 50+% depending on the issue) who truly believe, among other things, that:


  • Obama is a Kenyan Muslim plotting to overthrow the country
  • Climate change is a hoax
  • Politicians are secretly lizard people
  • Jesus personally handed over the constitution to the founding fathers
  • Abortion clinics are a Democratic plot to control the population
  • The earth is 6000 years old and we are awaiting the 'Apocalypse'
  • Nato will invade and take everyone's guns (cause Obama)
  • Marijuana is equal to heroin and crack
  • Poor people are greedy, lazy bums who mooch off the government and caused the economic crash
  • Oil is awesome and we should 'Drill Baby Drill' forever!
  • Obama is or might be the Anti-Christ / Is Comparable to Hitler
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I see this and I understand why the republican primaries are such clown show.
 
Shig said:
A) Generally no one would classify themselves as categorically "for" violence until such point as they inflict violence.

B) I'm 120% sure any conservative in politics has met thousands of people who would identify as pro-life, but strongly advocate for bombing the shit out of certain countries or supporting policies that would absolutely lead to higher mortality rates, shaking hands and nodding in agreement at both sentiments.

It's really troubling that conservatives largely see their platforms as wholly separate islands that have nothing whatsoever to do with one another. Popular Republican policies blatantly explode into fiery pieces when put to the simplest 'if-then' logic check against others; The central foundation of their policies counts upon the complete inability of their base to put two and two together and have an ounce of reflection upon whether the sum checks out.

Worst part that it works so goddamn well for them. Unbelievably frustrating.
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Their policies on sex education, contraception, and abortion and their inherent contradictions are particularly ridiculous and indicative of a tremendous lack of introspection.

Yes, restrict access to contraception and condemn all sex education except for abstinence only peppered with horror stories that degrade women (ex: your body is like a stick of gum) - that will SURELY help reduce abortion rates.

The only justification I've seen for this contradiction is "well, they believe~~ sex education is wrong because of reasons they can't articulate" - I'd really like to see that line of reasoning fly as a defense of any liberal platform.
 
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