I think only strippers should run for president/prime minister/governor. We've tried them all folks: honest, lying, dumb, racist, smart, good looking, ugly, hard working, lazy. Maybe it's time for an honest liar dumb racist ugly lazy thieving son of a bitch. There's too many to choose from this year though.
Republicans panicking now that Trump's nomination seems like a realistic possibility
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Wolfgunblood Garopa
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'I'm a Fiscal Conservative' is a cop out for Republican voters ashamed of their party's social platform.
BertramCooper
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New York Times said:
While I'm genuinely concerned about how Trump's candidacy has already worsened the rhetoric on issues like immigration and religious tolerance (and a general election Trump would presumably make it even worse), man, he could really derail the reelection chances of folks like Portman.
And that would be pretty great.
TheExecutive
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Trump vs Clinton- it's not even a tale of picking between the lesser of two evils anymore...
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Banana Stand
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Nope. It's gone almost completely red. We have a Governor who was second to turn away Syrian refugees, is attempting to roll back Medicaid, made headlines about lbgtq rights, and a Senator who is becoming a tea party darling.
Mr. Giggles
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First woman president after first black president.
The meltdowns ohhhhh the glorious meltdowns
The meltdowns ohhhhh the glorious meltdowns
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
gutter_trash
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wasn't Bill Clinton the most Fiscally Conservative President who ballanced budgets?
Democratic Presidents tend to spend less money than Republican Presidents
Hexa
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If despite demographics working against him in a major way, him having little to no support from the party and him easily having the craziest views of any serious candidate in a long time he still manages to pull off a victory in the general, at that point I'd say he's earned it because that seems like it would require pulling off a miracle.
There hasn't been a fiscally conservative Republican president since Ike.
fredrancour
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He kind of does have support from the party, just not support they ever intended to give him. A significant portion of the people who have been ingesting party propaganda for the last fifteen years or more view this as the next logical step to half the viewpoints they hear on fox news or out of the mouths of candidates. Years of saying things that set up for this viewpoint may very well outweigh a year-long cycle of "no guys no we already all know all the shit we believe, expressing it aloud is going to ruin everything."
it still doesn't help in the general, of course. I'm just saying, it's not like he singlehandedly convinced all his supporters to believe what they believe. He capitalized on a massive amount of work done by the people currently terrified of being associated with him.
gutter_trash
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Ike oversaw one of the biggest national projects: the Interstate Highway System (which was a good thing)
QuiteWhittle
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Hey she never said which colleagues. I'm sure Michael Bennet will appreciate the higher Hispanic turnout and support.
Agent Icebeezy
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This is why ideology scares me.
Yup. He has tremendous support from voters. Less so from actual politicians because they are shocked that he gets away with what he says and don't have the charisma to mimic it.
I'm more shocked that people are shocked he gets support. It's like they have forgotten what their party attracts and condones. Remember that old lady that called Obama an Arab right in front of McCain? She did that calmly because that rhetoric is commonplace amongst certain groups. These are the people the party attracts. And while McCain shut her down, trump does no such thing and gets MORE support. These are the people that watch Fox News everyday. These are republicans
And there are a lot more than people think. And really I think this is what is scaring republican politicians. The secret is getting out on the biggest political stage
I almost expect trump to back out suddenly due to some back room dealings
Bingo.
I want the Republican Party broken, because I'd like two same options to choose from on my ballot at some point. And what better way to break them, than to elect the living embodiment of Satan-on-Earth (as they see her)? If a quarter century of demonization doesn't work, maybe they'll finally get the message.
.. Nah, they won't. But at the very least, a Hillary win could convince some of their base that the country is too far gone for them to win. And it would force their major donors to consider more forceful actions in the future with respect to demands that they make upon the party.
So. Damn. True.
Anyone who buys the whole "reduce government/reduce the deficit/etc" line is either GULLIBLE or willfully lying to themselves. The record is pretty damn stark at this point.
That article is so off-base it's not even funny.
Voters like the author are the reason why politics is so divided between party lines.
That's precisely the problem.
Joe Shlabotnik
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I think "fiscally conservative" / socially liberal people who aren't flat-out libertarians just think "I really don't want the government wasting money" which, well, fucking no one does. That's still a Democrat.
old manatee
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Having the Clintons back in the White House is just going to guarantee another 8 years of the Republicans blocking everything.
Veritigo_X
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The only way this doesn't happen is if a Republican is in the White House. Republicans would act the same way towards any Democrat.
Not just a Clinton, Hillary.
Really glad I realized how dumb that was. Shows me not to trust family members and do the research myself
Let's be honest here: the GOP is going to block anything coming from anyone with a D behind his/her name.
The days of LBJ inviting senators to the Oval Office for strong-arming sessions are loooong gone. Until there's some sort of fundamental change, the only way anything of real legislative substance will get done will be via sheer force of representative numbers.
Princess Carl
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Care to elaborate?
It could, sure. If Trump is nominated he'll get destroyed in the general. They could even lose the senate.
The establishment will then try to regain control of the party and the nutjobs won't want to let go.
I looked up the 1964 Presidential election and if a landslide victory like that one happened for Hilary if Trump was the republican nominee I will be in shock. I would expect Hilary to get 400+ electoral votes if Trump was the republican nominee At least it's good they are panicking now instead of later. I think the republicans are going to do worse than the last presidential election no matter who they nominate.
PhoenixDark
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Trump will not be the nominee. But if he were to become the nominee he would be soundly defeated by a good to strong democrat candidate, i.e. Hillary. Yes Trump could increase voter turnout among republicans but the crux of this argument reminds me of the false narrative that argues McCain and Romney lost due to republicans staying home. That's simply false. There aren't enough republicans in this country to defeat a democrat who can turn out the democrat base in force - such as Obama. I don't think Hillary is that type of candidate but she still has a turnout advantage.
Trump is going to lose the Hispanic vote by a very large margin; Hillary could command 70-80% of it. He's going to get maybe 8-10% of the black vote. He's going to lose the youth vote by large margins. Given that republicans need around 40% of the Hispanic vote to even have a shot, I don't see a normal scenario in which he could win the general election.
In terms of white males...it depends on where they are. If Trump turns out more white males than normal in the south, which seems likely, how does that hurt Hillary? She's going to lose most of the south regardless. Yet demographic shifts make it likely she will at least win Virginia.
Trump is going to lose the Hispanic vote by a very large margin; Hillary could command 70-80% of it. He's going to get maybe 8-10% of the black vote. He's going to lose the youth vote by large margins. Given that republicans need around 40% of the Hispanic vote to even have a shot, I don't see a normal scenario in which he could win the general election.
In terms of white males...it depends on where they are. If Trump turns out more white males than normal in the south, which seems likely, how does that hurt Hillary? She's going to lose most of the south regardless. Yet demographic shifts make it likely she will at least win Virginia.
Mr. Giggles
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What is it about Hilary Clinton that they (repubs) hate specifically? I know there was the whole email thing.. but that's it
Veritigo_X
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Goes back farther than that. As far as Republicans are concerned, Hillary is Bill Clinton and they absolutely hated everything about Bill when he was president.
Anoregon
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KILLARY LIED WHILE BENGHAZI DIED
Goes all the way back to the 90s and Republicans hating Bill.
Mr. Giggles
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She's a Clinton.
She's a powerful woman and the intimidates some men. Honestly I think that's at least a part of it. When she becomes the most powerful person in the country they may be crying themselves to sleep at night.
I remember about 20 years ago my mom recounted this thing she read (and believed) from the National Enquirer. Apparently the author took Nostradamus' prediction of a wicked woman flying in on a silver bird to mean that Hillary Clinton would one day become president and would fly around in Air Force One (her silver bird), and this would spell the end of mankind. Even as a little babby it seemed incongruous because, as first lady, she was already flying around in Air Force One and the end of mankind had not yet come.
It's hard to argue against that.
You're not understanding what it means. Not having party support doesn't mean they'll ignore votes, it means he won't get the votes. Historically this has been true.
Never forget.
You reap what you sow. This is the endgame of current Republican ideology -- an absolutely unelectable candidate who can only appeal to a very narrow segment of the population.
That being said, I'll still be surprised if he is the nominee. I'd also wouldn't call it impossible for him to win the White House, especially if the schadenfreude hits the right note at the right time. That's what his campaign is based on -- getting attention at the right time at the expense of everybody else.
That being said, I'll still be surprised if he is the nominee. I'd also wouldn't call it impossible for him to win the White House, especially if the schadenfreude hits the right note at the right time. That's what his campaign is based on -- getting attention at the right time at the expense of everybody else.
VendettaRed07
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I think that attributes more so to moderates and people on the left who think Hillary is the worst honestly.
I get not liking Hillary, but people who like Obama and even like or have a little to no strong opinions on Bill Clinton, but hate Hillary is what makes no sense to me.
For conservatives, yeah being a woman is part of it but it has a lot to do with her also being one of the faces of the new left that took ground away from the republicans nationally and started their fall away from being "America's Party" imo. Lot of bent up 90's frustration.
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