Batman v Superman - New Official Trailer

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Stand alone = origin story. I agree, Batman does not need an origin story (WW does, but thats a nother can of worms). What he does need is his own film establishing what type his role in the shared universe. Make it a standard detective story, something that shows off Batman's brains (something IMO no film has done properly yet except MAYBE TDK). Show how he will fit in the JLA team dynamic.
We're getting some of that in Suicide Squad

And also, the reason the MCU method is seen to be the "correct" one is because its the only method that has actually WORKED thus far.
No, it's because that's the only method that's been attempted thus far. You can't really argue it's the only one that has worked compared to others when you have a sample size of one
 
Stand alone = origin story. I agree, Batman does not need an origin story (WW does, but thats a nother can of worms). What he does need is his own film establishing what type his role in the shared universe. Make it a standard detective story, something that shows off Batman's brains (something IMO no film has done properly yet except MAYBE TDK). Show how he will fit in the JLA team dynamic.

And also, the reason the MCU method is seen to be the "correct" one is because its the only method that has actually WORKED thus far.


That last part is kind of ignorant to say. It's the only one that has actually worked because it's the only one that exists at all.

And how is showing Batman alone going to show team dynamics better than you know showing him in a team?
 
Stand alone = origin story. I agree, Batman does not need an origin story (WW does, but thats a nother can of worms). What he does need is his own film establishing what type his role in the shared universe. Make it a standard detective story, something that shows off Batman's brains (something IMO no film has done properly yet except MAYBE TDK). Show how he will fit in the JLA team dynamic.

And also, the reason the MCU method is seen to be the "correct" one is because its the only method that has actually WORKED thus far.

It's the only method that has worked because it's the only one anyone has done. Actually that's not even true - it's not like the TV shows need multiple episodes before they all team up. Doesn't the first Justice League episode literally have them all team up after 15 minutes? People aren't that dumb.

Guardians of the Galaxy didn't exactly need 4 or 5 origin movies.
 
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If that's the case, why isn't Bruce Wayne a bumbling, hysterical looking idiot then?

Lex Luthor shouldn't be Joker-Lite. With the exception of the Reeve movies he's generally come off as imposing, deadly, and intelligent. Like Donald Trump without the significantly worse wig.
imposing, deadly, and intelligent. Like Donald Trump
Ah...probably not the most accurate comparison
 
If that's the case, why isn't Bruce Wayne a bumbling, hysterical looking idiot then?

Lex Luthor shouldn't be Joker-Lite. With the exception of the Reeve movies he's generally come off as imposing, deadly, and intelligent. Like Donald Trump without the significantly worse wig.

Well, dude reverse engineers a dead Kryptonian into a gigantic monster that it'll take THREE superheroes to defeat; implies that he knows who Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent are; and goads the two biggest superheroes of all time into fighting one another in mutually assured destruction.

And we had Donald Trump Lex Luthor, it's called Superman Returns. People didn't care for the real estate schemes.
 
This one's pretty good, if you can find a high resolution version:
But you don't actually have to change your avatar lol, I thought you were just kidding

Oh OK. I just thought you would mind that someone has the same avatar as yours. I guess we're all good then :)
 
Why are movie studio's so impatient? Why can't they follow the MCU and start with one GOOD film, then take it slow with a couple more decent ones and build from there?

Well, the MCU in fact started with two films, released only a few months apart. But there was no film in 2009 and only one in 2010, whereas WB is doing at least two a year right from the get-go.
 
Didn't really care for Lex in this trailer. Didn't really like the trailer itself either. Really all over the place tonally. The first trailer looked a lot better.
 
Literally pretty much the only thing I actually liked about this trailer was Jesse Eisenberg's take on Luthor. Pretty much the only inspired, not to mention actually charismatic thing I've seen from this project. Yeah, it's a little different from how "Classic Lex" is usually presented, but we've seen that interpretation a hundred times. Give this new take a chance, guys.

Also not a fan of:

-Batman apparently acting like Rorschach now and physically branding criminals because heck, Snyder has just got to inject some more completely unneeded, grim-dark violence into another popular character he probably doesn't quite understand.
-Henry Cavill not seeming to even bother with the "Clark Kent" persona thing, discarding one of the most iconic and popular aspects of the character so that now literally the only difference between Superman and Clark is a pair of glasses probably because Snyder didn't think it was "cool" enough. Thrilling.
-Lex not seeming to make up his mind about what the "oldest lie in America" is.
-"If man won't kill God...THE DEVIL WILL DO IT!"

Come back Spiderman 3, all is forgiven.
 
Well, the MCU in fact started with two films, released only a few months apart. But there was no film in 2009 and only one in 2010, whereas WB is doing at least two a year right from the get-go.

I find it cute that people think the MCU would've started slowly if they were always under the Disney umbrella. If they had full control from the start like they do now, they'd have done three films a year from the get go.
 
And also, the reason the MCU method is seen to be the "correct" one is because its the only method that has actually WORKED thus far.

How is that "the only method" that worked? How exactly did it *work*? I haven't seen neither of the Hulk movies, neither of Captain America movies (although I heard that Winter Soldier is actually good, so I will have to watch it), and the second Thor movie; and yet I was able to easily grasp what's going on in both Avengers movies. You know why? Because those aren't some noname characters - those are popular superheroes with years of history in pop culture. Plus, neither the stories nor characters themselves are really that complicated. The first movie managed to reintroduce each and every character in the first 20 minutes or so, detailing their abilities, characters and relationships.

The only one who really succeeded thanks to the whole MCU concept is Marvel itself, that managed to convince people that to get the most fun of those movies they have to watch every single one of them, including the bad and bland ones.
 
should have edited Zod out so people ask them self why this "mutant" can shoot lasers out if his eyes like supes (mutantkryptonian?) but now you really already know it all.
Still get entertainment out of stuff/films like this. Gaf is not a good place to get opinions to certain movies.

bring it. and boy did i laugh and wtf at the "Affleck as batman" reveal back then but he strangely really fits well (judging from the two trailers and pics) and I'm totally on board.
 
Well, dude reverse engineers a dead Kryptonian into a gigantic monster that it'll take THREE superheroes to defeat; implies that he knows who Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent are; and goads the two biggest superheroes of all time into fighting one another in mutually assured destruction.

I dont know how you can make this conection.



And we had Donald Trump Lex Luthor, it's called Superman Returns. People didn't care for the real estate schemes.

Real state was the plot of Luthor's master plan in the first Superman movie.


Meh, I still find Zuckerberg as a weird choice for Lex
 
Literally pretty much the only thing I actually liked about this trailer was Jesse Eisenberg's take on Luthor. Pretty much the only inspired, not to mention actually charismatic thing I've seen from this project. Yeah, it's a little different from how "Classic Lex" is usually presented, but we've seen that interpretation a hundred times. Give this new take a chance.

Also not a fan of:

-Batman apparently acting like Rorschach now and physically branding criminals because heck, Snyder has just got to inject more unneeded, grim-dark violence into another popular character he probably doesn't quite understand.
I'm willing to bet that's not Batman doing it. Either, like another poster said, Lex is involved and making Batman seem more dangerous for his own ends, or, IMO, it's setting up the Joker, Jason Todd, Batman relationship and planting the seeds for Red Hood
 
I dont know how you can make this conection.





Real state was the plot of Luthor's master plan in the first Superman movie.


Meh, I still find Zuckerberg as a weird choice for Lex

it's been a while since i saw the original superman movie but superman returns lex luthor suuuuucked. rather have a younger more conniving luthor in the form of eisenberg than the goofy idiot genius that was spacey in returns.
 
I find it cute that people think the MCU would've started slowly if they were always under the Disney umbrella. If they had full control from the start like they do now, they'd have done three films a year from the get go.

I very much doubt that, given that WB is being so aggressive largely as a reaction to Marvel's success. A larger corporate parent would probably have been *more* skeptical about Marvel's ability to sell audiences on superhero IP other than Spider-Man and X-Men, not less.
 
And we had Donald Trump Lex Luthor, it's called Superman Returns. People didn't care for the real estate schemes.

That was just a continuation of what Lex was after in the Donner movies.

Superman 1 = Lex Luthor's big plan is a real estate scheme.

Superman 2 = Luthor strikes a deal with Zod in exchange for some prime real estate (Australia)

Superman Returns = Kryptonite Island
 
it's been a while since i saw the original superman movie but superman returns lex luthor suuuuucked. rather have a younger more conniving luthor in the form of eisenberg than the goofy idiot genius that was spacey in returns.

Hackman's Luthor is in third place only to Rosenbaun and Justice League show.

Dont get me wrong, is not that I dislike the take on SvB Luthor, rather, is just weird seen Michael Cera on this.
 
Anyone else bored of CGI monsters/villains? The conflict between Clark and Bruce seemed infinitely more foreboding. That's what you get from good dialogue and acting. So why the need to inject another character who offers nothing but walls being smashed? Who, ultimately, will lose the fight? It's the same strange hype people had for Zod fighting Superman. I'm just tired of these CGI set pieces.

Give a film some heart. Give us characters we won't forget.

Let the audience sympathise with Lex. Let them be conflicted between Bruce and Clark.
 
Animated Luthor > Rosenbaun > Spacey > Hackman

I'm actually just not a fan of Hackman's Luthor
I only saw the original Superman movie recently, and I can't fathom how people think Hackman's Lex is a good villain or good Lex. He's completely non-threatening, has villainous plans that wouldn't seem out of a place in a 1960s Batman episode, and doesn't at all seem like the intelligent dangerous Lex from the comics

I chalk it up to nostalgia.
 
Animated Luthor > Rosenbaun > Spacey > Hackman

I'm actually just not a fan of Hackman's Luthor

I only saw the original Superman movie recently, and I can't fathom how people think Hackman's Lex is a good villain or good Lex. He's completely non-threatening, has villainous plans that wouldn't seem out of a place in a 1960s Batman episode, and doesn't at all seem like the intelligent dangerous Lex from the comics

I chalk it up to nostalgia.

Well we all have our faults gentlemen.

Mine is in California.
 
It bothers that Wonder Woman doesn't stop Doomsday's beam with her bracelets =/
Where did you get Captain America's shield anyway?
 
I liked it. I thought Lex was great. Ben Affleck is killing it. That conversation. "Maybe its the Gotham City in me." Doomsday looks like a Ninja Turtle, but I like Lex making him to kill Superman. Kind of wish I hadn't watched the trailer though. Feels like its the entire movie.
 
Well I don't need to see that movie as the entire movie was shown in that trailer.

Looks like such a cash in on the Avengers success too..
 
I'm trying to like this.

But it looks fucking terrible.
Yeah I don't know if I should be pissed that the trailer pretty much spoils the whole movie or relieved that I can save some money by not seeing this obvious turd of a movie. It looks terrible.
 
What has Snyder done that can legitimately be considered great? Maybe Dawn of the Dead?

Everything else has been a complete disappointment or failure imo.
 
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