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[DangerMouse]

5. What happens in a few years when Sony decides to shut down PS3 downloads ala PSP? There is no Vita alternative as you have for that. Are folks here prepared to keep rebuying their favorite games forever on each new platform?

PSP downloads are reportedly not being shut down, only the store front from the PSP.

 

[CaptainTiptop]

Welp. It was fun while it lasted, Sony.

Xbox here I come.

Classic GAF overreaction.

 

[ramuh]

Mark of Kri, Fantavision, and Arc the Lad are great Ps2 Games.

 

[illmatic22]

i expected more outrage too honestly

i was surprised by the like bar too

GAF is the vocal minority.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Part of what bothers me about this, is that I really want the PS2 catalog to expand and get tons of support on PS4, but with this price point and the complete lack of cross buy, I don't see it generating much success. Yeah, the audience who care about that is small relative to the general market, but I think the audience that bought PS2 games on PS3 will be a large portion of the market for people who would buy PS2 games on the PS4.

This service itself strongly appeals to the same niche audience that they are alienating by disallowing cross-buy/discounts and having a premium price point. The folks with the most desire to play PS2 games are probably going to be the ones who have been long time PS consumers.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

What happens in 3 years when you won't be able to redownload PS2 classics onto PS2? See PSP (there you at least have Vita).

Then you outrage but throwing hypotheticals around helps no one. The games you guys bought on ps3 are still there no harm no foul.

 

[Gunslinger]

Will we be milked again when ps5 comes out? By Having re buy again. Sony can learn a thing or two from MS. That's how they should have done this. Gotta give MS credit here what is right is right.

 

[Freeman]

What happens in 3 years when you won't be able to redownload PS2 classics onto PS2? See PSP (there you at least have Vita).

What happens in a few years once my library of Steam games will be in the hundreds while Sony expects me to buy the same games every now and then to be able to play them?

What happens is I don't get a PS ever again.

People will eventually get tired for being treated like this.

 

[MThanded]

Welp. It was fun while it lasted, Sony.

Xbox here I come.

Pls

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

No seriously tho jokes aside this wont be a thing after psx is done right. When new games get announced threads wont be like this still right?

 

[thelastcrusader]

I'm buying 3-4 of these. This is awesome.

 

[foolishoptimist]

I got it for free when I dayoned TM ps3

Same, so I don't feel like I'm being ripped off, since I didn't spend money on it originally.

Still, I'm kinda surprised they started with games that had already been released, considering the day one list is so short.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

I'm buying 3-4 of these. This is awesome.

Oooo what you getting. I got my eyes on dark cloud and rogue galaxy

 

[onQ123]

i expected more outrage too honestly

i was surprised by the like bar too

Lets see whats better to most people: Playing last gen games on your new system almost the same way you played them a few mouths ago or playing your favorite games from over 10 years ago in HD for the 1st time?

I wonder why some people are actually happy about this? whats wrong with them don't they know they can't play the games they already been playing the last year or so on their new console,

 

[DJKhaled]

I feel like whenever Sony gets in the lead they get this arrogance about them, they did the same at the start of the PS3's life until they realised the 360 was outselling them.

 

[Omnistalgic]

GAF is the vocal minority.

Someone needs to stamp this on the Logo instead of "Believe"

Geez...

 

[Omnistalgic]

I feel like whenever Sony gets in the lead they get this arrogance about them, they did the same at the start of the PS3's life until they realised the 360 was outselling them.

This has to be a joke posts...

 

[Darknight]

The "norm" in every other industry is that purchases of digital content are not repackaged every time you upgrade to the next iteration. Sony's lack of foresight in the online space has bitten them in the ass so many times that it blows my mind people are now defending them for it. I'm not sure how long you've played on Playstation but I assure you there was indeed a time when they had a reputation for preserving their legacy. My discs and even memory cards worked on PS3. They already have a virtual PS2 emulator - it was flawed, for sure, but instead of perfecting it and adding to its features they're now selling you games of their choosing for $15 a pop - some of which you may have already paid for.

#4TheShareholders

If Sony kept the "norm", PS4 would have PS3 guts and PS3 BC and possibly cost $600 again making sure they went bankrupt.

I posted this before but the "norm" ended a few years into PS3's life. It had BC, then partial and finally only emulated few titles.

If Sony had a lack of foresight, it wouldnt be #1 WW. By selling PS2 classics for $10-$15, it really does nothing in the grand scheme of things really. Will BC really make you feel better? I excited for VR right now not PS2 games. For that I have a PC that does it for free.

 

[Freeman]

GAF is the vocal minority.

GAF is just ahead of the curve.

If Sony kept the "norm", PS4 would have PS3 guts and PS3 BC and possibly cost $600 again making sure they went bankrupt.

I posted this before but the "norm" ended a few years into PS3's life. It had BC, then partial and finally only emulated few titles.

If Sony had a lack of foresight, it wouldnt be #1 WW. By selling PS2 classics for $10-$15, it really does nothing in the grand scheme of things really. Will BC really make you feel better? I excited for VR right now not PS2 games. For that I have a PC that does it for free.

Nothing to do with PS3, those are PS2 games.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

This has to be a joke posts...

I say again 6 threads of the same stuff. This is not a joke post lol. Its really bad they should have done absolutely nothing

GAF is just ahead of the curve.

Pft lol no

 

[Omegabalmung9]

Will be getting all of the GTA games, RG, and DC.

 

[jadedm17]

This is fantastic news, i cant wait to see what we get.

I'll buy San Andreas again for like the 6th time and I don't even give a fuck.

Might check out Rogue Galaxy too though my little brother had it back in the day and said its kinda boring and grindy iirc.

That's the sign of a great game; I'm the same way sometimes.

 

[StereoVsn]

PSP downloads are reportedly not being shut down, only the store front from the PSP.

Except... "drumroll" you can't download them from PSP or to PSP from the web store. You can only download it to a PS3 and then transfer them to PSP. Of course if the game works on Vita, it will be fine there.

My whole point is that PS2 classics (and PSX) are going to wind up in the same state in a few years and there won't be a "PS3 equivalent" to use for a transfer.

 

[labaronx]

Will we be milked again when ps5 comes out? By Having re buy again. Sony can learn a thing or two from MS. That's how they should have done this. Gotta give MS credit here what is right is right.

This argument is flawed

backwards compatibility conveniently showed up after Microsoft convinced a few of us to buy: master cheif collection, rare replay, and gears hd... id hardly call that the right way

 

[meanspartan]

You're in the massive minority though. An edge case that Sony seriously does not give a shit about.

When's the One gonna play original xbox games guys?

Minority sure, but there are plenty of people that have dusty old Ps2 games lying around that would probably think it would be super cool if they could suddenly play them upscaled to 1080p on their Ps4.

 

[kadotsu]

GAF is just ahead of the curve.

Gaf is shite at predicting stuff. And backwards compatibility has homeopathic impact on purchasing behavior two years in.

 

[Netherscourge]

I must be the only one who doesn't care about Trophy support.

All I want is my PS2 games running at 1080p without them looking horrible or in a tiny 480p window.

 

[FinalStageBoss]

Will we be milked again when ps5 comes out? By Having re buy again. Sony can learn a thing or two from MS. That's how they should have done this. Gotta give MS credit here what is right is right.

Cus Sony is forcing you to buy it again? I'm buying San Andreas to play on my PS4, not PS5.

 

[anderedna]

Come on Sony, bring shadow hearts series in there, along with SMT and Persona. I'll buy them, all.

 

[Hedonism Bot]

Its not about an agreement, no one is saying they don't have the right to do it.

It just suck that they hold those views in 2015 and just put Sony at a terrible position going forwards if they believe in this BS.

I definitely won't mind if everyone's grievances with this results in them changing their minds, I'll admit. And now, when I buy rogue galaxy tomorrow like a sony sheep, I'll know in the back of my mind it probably will only last this generation, which is disappointing somewhat. And they kept the ps1 classics licenses for it going on the vita. It's not surprising that people are disappointed, but there are those that are legit angry that they haven't executed it as well as microsoft.

 

[DangerMouse]

No seriously tho jokes aside this wont be a thing after psx is done right. When new games get announced threads wont be like this still right?

Agreed.

Part of what bothers me about this, is that I really want the PS2 catalog to expand and get tons of support on PS4, but with this price point and the complete lack of cross buy, I don't see it generating much success. Yeah, the audience who care about that is small relative to the general market, but I think the audience that bought PS2 games on PS3 will be a large portion of the market for people who would buy PS2 games on the PS4.

This service itself strongly appeals to the same niche audience that they are alienating by disallowing cross-buy/discounts and having a premium price point. The folks with the most desire to play PS2 games are probably going to be the ones who have been long time PS consumers.

If that's what you're worried about then given the usual price of more thorough remasters I think these will do fine at $15. It's only $5 more than the classics were and less than what S-E would have sold unchanged PS2 games for, heh.

 

[foras592]

Srsly? I'm not going to buy at that price.

 

[StereoVsn]

Lets see whats better to most people: Playing last gen games on your new system almost the same way you played them a few mouths ago or playing your favorite games from over 10 years ago in HD for the 1st time?

I wonder why some people are actually happy about this? whats wrong with them don't they know they can't play the games they already been playing the last year or so on their new console,

It's fine for people who haven't bought the games before. What's bullshit is not transferring rights from PS2 classics on PS3 to the new platform when the game is essentially the same just on different emulator.

Yeah, I can just run them on PCSX2 (which I do now), but it would be a lot less hassle sometimes to just run P3 FES without shadows being broken on a PS4 (own hard copy and PS2 classic).

 

[Led_Zeppelin]

So not even discounts for those that already own some PS1/PS2 classics?

Thanks Sony, I am never buying a classic game from your store ever again.

 

[autoduelist]

What happens in 3 years when you won't be able to redownload PS2 classics onto PS2? See PSP (there you at least have Vita).

5. What happens in a few years when Sony decides to shut down PS3 downloads ala PSP? There is no Vita alternative as you have for that. Are folks here prepared to keep rebuying their favorite games forever on each new platform?

Please stop reposting the same FUD. They only got rid of the storefront on the PSP, but you can still freely dl games via download list and buy new ones from the webstore.

 

[TheAdmiester]

Very "meh". Nothing here I can't do on a PC besides trophies and those are essentially pointless.

Also, considering the generation difference, and the fact that they're supposedly running natively without the extra stress of emulation, I'm very surprised they'll only be running at 1080.

I can imagine the GTAs will probably be the worst titles in this. They're bad ports on PC, SA runs like total shit on 360, and all of them completely fuck up over the default 25FPS cap.

PS3 BC might've been interesting but that's never happening at this rate.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Agreed.



If that's what you're worried about then given the usual price of more thorough remasters I think these will do fine at $15. It's only $5 more than the classics were and less than what S-E would have sold unchanged PS2 games for, heh.

No way it should be allowed to go like this after everything is said nd done.

 

[StereoVsn]

What happens in a few years once my library of Steam games will be in the hundreds while Sony expects me to buy the same games every now and then to be able to play them?

What happens is I don't get a PS ever again.

People will eventually get tired for being treated like this.

Well, yeah, this is where PC is clearly superior (NOT iOS/Android, see Capcom/SE games). I have hundreds of games between GOG and Steam and they all work on any PC platform I have (well, within reason for modern games). I guess at some point PCSX2 will be at the point where Dolphin is right now and most things will just work (it's already quite a way there).

 

[Senketsu]

They are pricey, no intent of downloading any of those games on the list though.

 

[Pie and Beans]

Not making PS2 Classics a "cross buy" unlock situation is the real shitty headscratcher. No discount system or anything is 'worst of class' shit. I get that theyve invested money in "remastering" these, so they want full return, but... come on.

Cross platform classic pickups became a 'Sony thing' with the PSP. The PS4 is still this odd one out weirdo that can't do half the stuff the PSP used to be able to with its OS as well. And thats fucking WEIRD. Also embarassing.

 

[GoodCoffeeJoey]

Are the GTA games mobile ports?

 

[rapid32.5]

If there is still hope for Silent Hill HD collection this would be its last chance.

 

[StereoVsn]

Please stop reposting the same FUD. They only got rid of the storefront on the PSP, but you can still freely dl games via download list and buy new ones from the webstore.

No, this is incorrect. They are shutting down download list from PSP. You can get them from the web store onto Vita or PS3 (or from PS3/Vita stores) but you CAN'T redownload them from the PSP. Stop talking about shit you don't understand.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/sony-psp-officially-dead-sept-15th-31547700/

" The shutdown is only on the server side of things, so users can still download PSP content on their PS3, PS Vita, or PS4, then manually transfer it to their PSP’s if they like."

If you don't HAVE a PS3/PS Vita (PS4 actually won't work for obvious reasons) you are SOL. Now, think to 2019 where you will NOT be able to download that shit to PS4/PS5.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Yooooo you know what im thinking we may actually get a couple konami,sega,capcom hits now. I mean think about it, its work but not a crazy amount $10-15 a pop they should be willing. Shiiit suikoden III&5? Yes plz!!!!

 

[Sciortino]

I feel like whenever Sony gets in the lead they get this arrogance about them, they did the same at the start of the PS3's life until they realised the 360 was outselling them.

Come on, guys... that may be true with the PS3 but I don't see any of that arrogance from back then today.
Anyway, I'm there day 1 for Rogue Galaxy.

 

[maquiladora]

The pricing is awful.

 

[Freeman]

Gaf is shite at predicting stuff. And backwards compatibility has homeopathic impact on purchasing behavior two years in.

I just think that eventually people will get burned by those same policies. I don't think Sony realizes that many of the reason they did so well with PS4 is because of how they handled things in the later years of PS3.

I still hold a grudge against MS because of their Live Gold policies on the 360 years ago. Charging for me to use a web browser on my console? This feels the same (maybe not as offensive tho, but possibly more harmful).

 

[modalife]

Not bad, specially since they'll be up-rendered to 1080p. I guess that's where the price comes into factor, someone was paid to re-work these titles, I assume.

 

[Max_Po]

If 60 fps ..will pay

 

[MaximumSpider]

Welp. It was fun while it lasted, Sony.

Xbox here I come.

This has to be a joke.
No one can be that mad over PS2 classics.