So releasing some time in the second half of 2016 then?
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So releasing some time in the second half of 2016 then?
Gunstar Ikari
Unconfirmed Member
Synopsis of this interview by Professor @ MMCafe:
- The Game's development is about 70% complete.
- Aside from supers, there's also MAX supers and Climax supers. Supers will automatically turn into MAX supers when you're in MAX mode.
- Producer Oda: "Climax supers are the biggest moves in the game and they take 3 bars. They're like the NeoMax supers from KOF13 but since not all the characters had it in the game, we'd decided to add it to everyone for KOF14" (Note: Everyone actually had it in KOF13. The producer probably didn't play the game that much)
- There's no Drive meter this time around, only a power meter. The devs decided to simplify things. EX specials can only be done during MAX mode which takes a bar of meter to activate.
- Producer Oda: KOF13 was a so-called combo game because of the drive cancel and EX special systems. There were people that liked it, but also those who didn't. This time, we decided to take a step somewhere inbetween those two kinds of players.
- Because a lot of people play at home on console nowadays and there's a wide range of players, the devs want to keep the controls simple but the game to have depth so you can keep playing and make new discoveries.
- The CD attack/thrust system now makes the opponent hit the wall and crumple for followup attacks.
- The devs don't want to add in too many new systems because KOF has enough as it is. They want to keep tuning/tweaking stuff though.
Finaika
Member
Gunstar Ikari
Unconfirmed Member
You know how these things go; 70% can mean anything lol
Finaika
Member
Holy shit at Leona's hands.
The Professor also posted the following:
So guard cancel blow back might be removed, drive canceling too.
Wonder if you can guard cancel into a special move or super during a Just Defend, like in Garou MOTW.
Hehe, true.
So guard cancel blow back might be removed, drive canceling too.
Wonder if you can guard cancel into a special move or super during a Just Defend, like in Garou MOTW.
Hehe, true.
Yes it does, lol. I'm sure (I hope) they are still working on the graphics but right now the models look not all that great and the shader is pretty no frills. Also all the levels are barren.
freeofgreed
Member
Bingo
That's fine but there's plenty of other great fighting games out there if you want small rosters/great graphics. I don't see why all of them need to follow this philosophy.
Great write up. The bolded was honestly was what I was worried about the most for the transition to 3D but I'm glad the gameplay itself is great, and similar to past games.
Lol yeah I was reading that bit and was very confused.
Sounds like they are trying to find a middle ground between pleasing existing fans and appealing to new players when it comes to game speed, mechanics and combos.
This is the first time SNK is putting this much thought into taking new players into account for a mainline KOF entry I think.
May have confused it with Garou MOTW, only some characters had a third 'hidden' super in that game.
This is the first time SNK is putting this much thought into taking new players into account for a mainline KOF entry I think.
May have confused it with Garou MOTW, only some characters had a third 'hidden' super in that game.
freeofgreed
Member
Yeah everything I'm reading about it sounds good. I like most of the changes. Don't know about rush tho. Hopefully if it becomes to annoying you can turn it off.
Ragnorok64
Member
I love technological advancement.
Well said.At 50 characters, I don't give a fuck about the graphic, it just need to play right.
The hype is real, and so are the these tears of joyful nostalgia!
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Well, gameplay seems there. 50 characters. Gotta support KoF. I'm there day one.
freeofgreed
Member
Hmm is this part also a mistranslation? If you can only use MAX DMs while in MAX mode and if DMs automatically become MAX DMs while in MAX mode then what would be the purpose of hittting two of the same attack buttons to activate them?
Gunstar Ikari
Unconfirmed Member
I want to say that EX DMs can be used outside of Max but I'd have to double check the footage. I was under the impression that it was similar to 2002UM where you can use everything outside of Max but with +1 meter cost.
Celcius
°Temp. member
Honestly, now that they're making the jump to 3D why don't they just go back to using that realistic-looking art that they used for their characters in Capcom vs SNK and it's sequel? It would look awesome redrawn in high definition and definitely better than trying to use in-game character models outside of gameplay.
http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters2/king-c2.jpg
Mister Wolf
Member
KOF starts with 50 characters while SFV will be charging us 6 bucks each or 30 bucks for a season pass. Lets be real here, we all know the "buy the characters with in game currency" will be a load of bullshit when the dust settles.
Gunslinger
Member
Guys upset now should have supported kof13. You didn't buy it and snk thought wasting all that money to make a gorgeous game like kof13 is not worth the investment. That's why they going for super low budget. Makes sense. How many here actually bought kof13?
XIII was a success for SNK, they were pretty happy with its reception and sales iirc.
The switch to 3D models would have happened regardless, not only were those 2D sprites too expensive and time consuming to make but SNK was having trouble finding artists who could work at that level, which slowed down things even further.
(I bought the PS3 version day one and later got the PC version as well, still playing the game to this day.)
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
Probably a lot on this board.
Also, IMO. I hate how it looks. Art and model quality. Will play of course to see how it feels.
Mister Wolf
Member
I bought it and frankly I'm glad they moved to 3d polygons. Watch this game sell more than XIII which supposedly looks better and most likely Guilty Gear xrd.
Gunslinger
Member
Of course it will sell more. Peoole look at 2d games and think ewww its old. Especially new generation of gamers.
TheSpoiler
Member
Really? Comparing numbers of characters between fighting games?
Why do people even do this shit? KOF has always had a larger cast. That's the staple of their series.
Both games are doing things differently. No need to start shit.
Back on topic, I'm really interested seeing how the auto stuff plays out. Hopefully you can turn that shit off.
Don't use them?
They are clearly there for newer players.
You need to mash for them so you can probably avoid doing them involuntarily.
TheSpoiler
Member
You forget that I'm shit and mash jab out in all fighting games.
Gunstar Ikari
Unconfirmed Member
Mainline KOF should have went 3D a long time ago. It's a shame that SNKP were too far invested into HD sprites to change direction by the time that 2.5D fighters were proven to be viable.
Cyber Caesar
Member
You're right, but KOF13 looks better than SFV.
It also cost a ridiculous amount of money and time to create sprites for KOF12/13.
In fact, they were working on multiple characters at once, but did you know it takes them like a year and a few months PER CHARACTER just to get them done? The animation/sprite process is fucking painstaking as hell for KOF12/13 specifically.
Agreed. While I'm psyched that Angel is back, I don't think I'll be getting this unless Vanessa gets added as DLC. We'll see.
The work for KOF13 sprites is so great that some characters got the short end of the budget. For example billy kane's ideal animation shouldn't be considered animation. Doing something like that is a wreaking ball to an entire company. You can wish harder but they won't be able to pump out 50 characters with that quality anymore.
Gunstar Ikari
Unconfirmed Member
Oh yeah it's pretty, don't get me wrong. But I have to wonder if the price that was paid for those beautiful sprites was worth it in the end.
I think that movesets getting shaved down was a blessing in disguise, though. XI and 2002um have serious moveset bloat.
Doing HD sprites is high budget though. SNK wants to put this out since they missed out on the 20th anniversary.
There is no use comparing 3d models and those sprites since SNK doesn't have the foresight and maybe talent to go the Xrd route. Everything points to them not actually caring what it looks like that much and more about the gameplay.
So glad the drive meter is gone. I like XIII, but that hyper drive stuff was the one thing that bothered me. I'm not sure if I like ex moves being regulated to max mode. I think there should be an option that lets you freely use ex moves at the cost of one bar, while max move still lets you use multiple. Just defend is a welcome surprise for me.
Sounds like how they work in BlazBlue (wherein which they show up during Overdrive mode in Chrono Phantasma/CPEX and Central Fiction). Granted, this doesn't account for character-specific gimmicks that were always there in that series, like Jin being able to burn meter for stronger Drive specials or Tsubaki being able to charge stocks for her separate meter for stronger Drive specials and Distortion Drives.
They seriously need to reconsider that counter hit announcement.
KOF is way too fast paced and counter hits happen way too often for the announcement to be a thing.
Seems to be a compromise between having the game feel like a classic KOF and not removing EX moves. Iirc quite a few old school players were not too fond of EX moves in XIII.
KOF is way too fast paced and counter hits happen way too often for the announcement to be a thing.
Seems to be a compromise between having the game feel like a classic KOF and not removing EX moves. Iirc quite a few old school players were not too fond of EX moves in XIII.
freeofgreed
Member
Really? I'm sad she's not in her either but is the lack of her inclusion really the make or break for you?