It sounds like you want New Japan Pro Wrestling.
Triple H addresses fan frustration with WWE; admits they feel the same way.
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Yes. It's a scapegoat to use the control freak boss of the show. I'm sure he's helpless when it comes to determining the direction of his own company.
ThreePiMatt
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Are you guys telling me that the steady stream of old ECW guys isn't doing it for you?
Who says he's helpless? But yeah, if they got rid of Vince that would totally change the whole direction of the company. The corporate structure and mentality would change within 24 hours.
I saw Tommy Dreamer on RAW the other week. I laughed and turned off the TV.
Simply Sami
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Yes and I wonder who was behind the so called divas revolution? Stephanie easily could have said no to introducing them all like that.
Triple H still putting everyone down.
One of the reasons NXT is great because Triple H and Stephanie aren't on it.
If the show must be 3 hours, how about doing something that WCW used to that I loved and having the first hour be mostly dedicated to cruiserweights+woman? It doesn't have to be cruiserweights per se, just that style of match. Like X Division used to be. Guys that have no chance at being WWE Champion don't have to wrestle WWE style matches and the show gets some variety.
s_mirage
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It honestly sounds a bit like you're confusing their off-screen roles with their on-screen personas. Vince is still in charge of the company. Booking decisions, storylines, overall direction of the product, etc, all go through him. He's even on the mic to the commentary team while the shows are being broadcast. He is ultimately responsible for the shape WWE's programming (outside of NXT, which is HHH's to run) is currently in.
Triple H runs NXT, it's entirely his baby! Raw on the other hand seems to be mainly Vince and Dunn, with backup from writers anonymous.
Netherscourge
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I got hooked back during the Nitro/Raw war, when both federations were really edgy and even called each other out live on air.
There was more skin on the ladies. More "woo hooo, PUPPIES!!" by Lawler.
Cactus Jack had tacks stuck to his head in cell matches.
Even ECW was getting call-outs.
Then everything merged, the cameras panned out when the ladies got frisky and the matches were just plain dumb.
Guys like Jericho and Rock were hilarious. Kurt Angle was an awesome heel. So many great performances.
Now it's like a MTV Real World mess. It's missing the edgy factor.
There was more skin on the ladies. More "woo hooo, PUPPIES!!" by Lawler.
Cactus Jack had tacks stuck to his head in cell matches.
Even ECW was getting call-outs.
Then everything merged, the cameras panned out when the ladies got frisky and the matches were just plain dumb.
Guys like Jericho and Rock were hilarious. Kurt Angle was an awesome heel. So many great performances.
Now it's like a MTV Real World mess. It's missing the edgy factor.
ThreePiMatt
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You missed Rhyno this week.
Battersea Power Station
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I'll check it out. If it's not easily available in the US where I can just press play, it probably won't work out
The Silver
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dude the in ring product right now is some of the best its ever been in the company's history. You got it mixed up, wrestling reached its zenith in popularity when the storylines were at the forefront and were actually good and compelling. The in ring product back then was filled with short ass matches, run ins, and in general was not as as good as today.
you who value the wrestling above all else would be a more niche fan, I'll echo the others and say New Japan would be good for you
Triple H, Austin, ***** ******, etc. all missed significant time due to injury and you know what, the product was fine. Then you had non-injury leaves like HBK (left for 5 years to find jesus) and The Rock (who left for Hollywood)
Stop blaming injuries. They have like 50 people on the roster, 45 of which they absolutely refuse to use in a meaningful way. Two of those five being fuckin Big Show and Kane. You could use someone like Cesaro to be the "monster heel" instead of having Big Show heel turn every other week, but he doesn't speak american so he doesn't exist
Simply Sami
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Triple H and Stephanie easily could say no.
I recall Dusty Rhodes pissed off Stephanie during a promo a few years ago because he wouldn't shut up. How dare he speak during a promo to Stephanie.
Triple H and Stephanie also have some power you know.
slightconfuse
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Look up the brawl for all
Who even says this? Why are you introducing extra parts no one is saying in order to make it sound more ridiculous?
Discotheque
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I really like finn balor on nxt, I pray they don't bring him to raw any time soon.
That Midcard is absolutely stuffed and they fail to utilize it interestingly anyways.
And to hell with roman reigns. I see his appeal, he might be the best looking wrestler of all time or something but man what a dull ass dude. Sheamus is marginally more entertaining but God damn is it hard to enjoy even the 90 minute raws now
That Midcard is absolutely stuffed and they fail to utilize it interestingly anyways.
And to hell with roman reigns. I see his appeal, he might be the best looking wrestler of all time or something but man what a dull ass dude. Sheamus is marginally more entertaining but God damn is it hard to enjoy even the 90 minute raws now
The Albatross
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Not so sure if it doomed them. More time has passed since WCW went out of business (15 years) than WCW existed at all (13 years).
Same reason Harry Potter is big with adults and kids alike. We grew up with it.
MickeyPhree
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HBK blew his back out at the 1998 Royal Rumble...
I was really young when I watched WCW so my memory is probably all over the place but I think I remember what you're saying. I used to watch it with friends and it always felt like the night was building to something because the first part was like an undercard. not sure how much it would help as I don't watch wrestling these days but the feeling of a boxing ppv event was always exciting with the main show usually ending in chaos
foxuzamaki
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Is NXT a PPV thing where I have to pay more than basic cable, what channel is it on? I want to check it out.
Pop-O-Matic
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Hulu.
The Albatross
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It's only available through WWE Network which is a pay service you subscribe to. If you like classic wrestling, The Network has a lot of great content, and NXT is really excellent for contemporary stuff.
The same reason why super hero movies are popular with adults, why anime is popular with adults, why we are on an enormous web forum filled with adults talking about videogames. This also isn't unique to the US. Professional wrestling is very popular in Asia, South America, and mildly popular in the UK, Australia, and South Africa.
illmatic22
Banned
Raw ending with Reigns and Sheamus was awful. They're not good on the mic. Who the hell thought that was a good idea?
foxuzamaki
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hmm, how is NXT doing being relegated to WWE network, which i dont have a real problem with are older fans steadily watching it?
funkystudent
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Admitting there is a problem is a big step.
Nothing will change until Vince is retired but at least this is a good sign.
Nothing will change until Vince is retired but at least this is a good sign.
older fans are steadily watching it because it's basic, consistently good wrestling with a logical build up and a pay off. the main show simply doesn't have that.
it also helps that NXT has some legitimately incredible, match of the year quality matches every few months. pretty impressive for a "developmental" show.
Developmental has always had these things even back in the FCW and OVW days, it's just more widely available now.
God, I would kill for the Ambrose and Rollins FCW era on the Network.....and the Heyman booked OVW.
Don't want NXT with numerous commercial breaks. Nope, nope, nope. Rather they stay on the Network.
EDIT: I didn't even read your post carefully, at all. Was half-reading it, half trying to open this King Size Payday wrapper.
Removing Vince won't make the show better, but it's impossible to make it better while he is there.
King Mystery
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The lack of vampires and other crazy shit they used to have.
I haven't watched wrestling since the Degeneration X era (late 90s, early noughties), though. Seems like they gave all the new guys names that sound like actual names (Brock Lesnar, Randy Orton, Mark Henry, etc) instead of nicknames like Goldust or Papa Shango. Never understood that. Is it for marketing purposes or something?
Pop-O-Matic
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In the case of the ones you named, that's because those are their actual names.
Goddamn it I'm getting old.
Ninja Scooter
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Still wouldn't be as annoying as the full sail crowd.
PHOENIXZERO
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Are there any other shows that have been around for at least 15 years but have basically kept the same format? In WWE's case I guess it'd be more like 17-18 years. There are so many things that need to be changed that just changing one or two of them wouldn't be enough.
I really, really, really wish part of the deal of Smackdown coming to USA would've meant Raw going back to two hours but that was just wishful thinking. WWE today is worse than WCW at the end.
I really, really, really wish part of the deal of Smackdown coming to USA would've meant Raw going back to two hours but that was just wishful thinking. WWE today is worse than WCW at the end.
Mechanized
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They should split raw into 2 different shows or something to invigorate things. Have the first show be RAW, and the second be something new. Not NXT, that would be dumb, like.... have a wrestling show for the first hour 30, then a storyline show for the second hour 30 with pretaped bits about all the current wrestlers, touch on their feuds and have it extending out into "real life" more like an actual drama. We could have this huge thing going on where we follow Seth Rollins' road to recovery, a huge elaborately produced thing showing him overcoming challenges and getting better and better, with the payoff being him coming back in a big match. Have a bunch of other mini stories but focus on one big central one. And they don't necessarily have to replace or continue existing TV stories, but rather be side stuff.
Very, very true
BoboBrazil
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Lol empty talk from the man that threw himself into programs with Punk and Daniel Bryan to try to leech off of them. WWE's whole strategy is fuck you, we will give you what we want to give you and you better like it. They've been trying for almost 2 years to make Roman Reigns the man and they've repeatedly fucked over others the fans like and want in his spot such as Daniel Bryan and Dean Ambrose to make it happen.
OriginofHysteria
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Just make RAW like NXT. Problem solved.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Exactly. A whole lot of nothing with these guys. They been taking lessons from Ben Carson.
Actually that's just a coincidence. Stephanie became the head writer in late 2000. That's when the stories became less interesting and the ratings started to fall.
Razgriz-Specter
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I have tried getting back into wrestling 4 or 5 times and every time I put it on its 2 of the most generic looking white guys around wearing plain black equipment going against each other meanwhile having the most dull drawn out matches I have seen.
Word up. Don't know why people are taking the word of a guy who's whole being in the business has been to bury potential talent just because he didn't want anyone else to take the limelight away from him and his 'clique'. The politicking that goes on backstage is the deep rooted problem behind everything and there isn't a way to fix it because thats the way the business has been run since the 90s.
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