Why would you believe this though? It doesn't really have much precedence.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Well we'll all find out on Weds/Thurs/Fri.
There is obviously stuff they have tried to be careful hiding and there maybe some stuff they kept off the main shot list but i'm going with Occam's Razor for Han's fate.
chesspieceface
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Simply because killing Han Solo, even a geriatric Han Solo, takes some balls that I don't think Disney nor Abrams have.
But I sure hope to be surprised by a Han Solo beheading!
I doubt Disney has much say in the matter.
I have a feeling they would have agreed to anything to get Ford back. Probably along the lines of "I'll only do one and i want Han to die, like i always wanted"
chesspieceface
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Remember, these aren't auteur films anymore
chesspieceface
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Disney would never say they can't kill a 73 old Solo. This was done entirely by Lucasfilm. It has nothing to do with Walt Walt Disney Pictures. Disney we have heard countless time let Lucasfilm do their own thing just like they do with Marvel.
And JJ has been quite open that he was initially dreading how much weight Disney threw around, but the reality is they seem to leave the companies they own to do their own thing, and then get behind them in terms of marketing and brand management.
JJ used the trailer as an example; he expected Disney to show off everything and anything, and to go against his ethos regarding secrecy, spoilers etc. He remarks how suprised he was that they wanted to do the complete opposite.
I think Disney are smart enough to know they have some great companies under their wing, and the need to trust them. Pixar and Marvel have enjoyed tremendous success under Disney, and whilst they may have anyway, I don't think Disney are sticking their noses into Lucasfilm's business as much as people feared.
Wherever this trilogy and the spin offs go, I think ultimately it's down to Kennedy's guidance. All Disney need to do is tell her "Go make some great films, and we'll make sure there's enough toys on the shelves".
BronsonLee
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Yeah I'm not fooled, Disney's stamp is all over this
I see you, stupid soccer ball droid, I know why your dorky ass is there!
I see you, stupid soccer ball droid, I know why your dorky ass is there!
chesspieceface
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I don't think Lucasfilm would either. But hey, let's let them impress me in FIVE DAYS NOW!
Inferno313
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An "Auteur" in film just means a director who has a specific style or aspects of their filmmaking that can be traced through their filmography. I.E. It's hard to see a Wes Anderson film and not realize it's a Wes Anderson.
It's not really a qualitative statement. Paul WS Anderson is as much an auteur as Paul Thomas Anderson.
Regardless of what you think of JJ's work, qualitatively. I think it's pretty apparent that he's become an auteur at this point, even if you want to dismiss his style as "Spielberg-Lite"
chesspieceface
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But honestly I feel that killing Han, especially this way, is a pretty weak move story wise, and somehow diminish the past achievements.
These characters deserve their peace and happy ending.
These characters deserve their peace and happy ending.
chesspieceface
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To me auteur also means completely in charge of the creative vision in all its aspects. Lucas was. Abrams, or anyone coming after him, is obviously not.
Yawn.
If the rumors are true, Han's a more complex figure in this film than ever before and his murder (30 years after the original trilogy, no less) by his own corrupted son should make for an emotional and dramatic opening salvo for this new trilogy of stories. Remember that Kasdan, Ford, Kurtz, Hamill... folks with a vested creative interest in the old trilogy... disapproved of the clean cut "all is well" ending. Lucas's insistence on ending Jedi like a cartoon was partially motivated by merchandizing, and it's an early indication of his later missteps with the franchise. Not sure how much of an "auteur" he was at that point (he didn't even direct that film).
He's on the poster I ALMOST used for the image:
From the OP
December 16th: Review Embargo Lifts
Where is that from? It's pretty amazing.
chesspieceface
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Han Solo's son turning to the dark side was a shit idea in the old expanded universe, I'm afraid it's going to be a shit idea in the new fanfictionous universe too
Fanfictionous in this instance referring to a script written by the writer of The Empire Strikes Back, which has its roots in a basic story outline written by George Lucas.
Who are you kidding?
bengraven
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I think a lot of those leaks were the original script, because I think they're going to announce Luke in a different way.
When we see him put his hand on R2 it's a firey background. Luke is not on a volcano world, he's at a Jedi temple. Plus, a leaked shooting script has Luke and "S********R" on it. I think he'll show up at the end of the battle. Maybe will follow them to wherever they're burying Han and then go off on his own. Then Rey says her goodbyes and jumps on a ship to join him.
Liamario
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It's excellent and much better than the photoshop job they delivered.
Sorcerer
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Don't make that bet, his body is in the base when it explodes. He's dead. And I know its a movie but if he falls over a rail, after being stabbed, and crawls out of there before it explodes and turns up in 8 then I am done with this.
Flow-Walker
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Luke is in the flash back and then the final scene of the movie.
Revealing him to the audience before Rey goes and meets him for the first time completely destroys the impact that the final scene is supposed to have. It's stupid storytelling.
It was the shot list from the actual shooting of the film, not an old script that leaked.
Sorcerer
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It would be perfect just to have a 5 second shot of Luke and then the familiar music just before the credits start. But apparently there is some dialogue between Luke and Rey.
The Elite
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All too easy.
He dead.
I love the tragedy of Han's death if it's depicted the way we've been told.
chesspieceface
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They dropped the outline from Lucas at the very beginning, there is 0% Lucas in this movie. I would have loved to see what Lucas would have come with though, I feel I still prefer having the mediocre Lucas-authored prequels than Lucas-less sequels that are mathematically created to hit all the notes they needs to hit to cater to the nostalgia fueled fan base.
Mind you, I think the movie will be pretty good. Recreating greatness, without ever achieving it, has been what made Abrams' career so far, and that made pretty good movies in some cases. Just not great ones.
I don't think this movie will be built to pass the test of time. From what I know so far it will be built way too much around fan service to my tastes, just like the EU was in the 90s.
Exterminieren
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I don't think it's impossible that the shooting schedule doesn't tell us quite the whole story- reshoots can be decided quite late in the day, after all.
They're clearly broadly right, though.
They're clearly broadly right, though.
I would say most likely no dialogue, Star Wars finale scenes typically are dialogue free.
Secret Fawful
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Kylo is presumed dead on the planet too after the fight with Rey and Finn, right? What if they both survive together, while working through their issues?
This won't happen.
chesspieceface
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How do you think Han will die?
- Beheaded
- Pierced
- Slashed
- Force choked
- Force pushed in a crevice or something?
Can't be too graphic for sure.
- Beheaded
- Pierced
- Slashed
- Force choked
- Force pushed in a crevice or something?
Can't be too graphic for sure.
For better or worse, The Force Awakens began life as an outline by Lucas, was scrapped and rewritten by Arndt, and was scrapped again and rewritten a final time by Kasdan and Abrams.
There is 100 percent going to be some threads of continuity between the different versions, as is normal for any development process. At the end of the day, all three versions continue the story of the Skywalker family into the next generation.
Calling the new film fan fiction is the sort of nonsense you'd expect from a political attack ad carried out by this guy:
That's not true, a lot of Lucas's themes are there, but details they were adapted or changed which happens in every movie, IIRC the Terms "First Order" and "Resistance" are all Lucas.
BronsonLee
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Kylo Ren will take off his mask
It's Hideo Kojima, he busts out CQC on Han
Did u rike it
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Perfect Cha0s
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Source? That's interesting.
chesspieceface
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I'm calling anything non-lucas fan fiction at this point. It's not negative, it's just ... not original Star Wars.
I mean, Rebels is canon and great and everything, *but it doesn't make any fucking sense*. It shouldn't exist, it breaks the OT, render everything irrelevant. It exist only because there's a public with an infinite thirst for Star Wars stories.
It's no better than fan fiction.
Sorcerer
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Who to believe?
Lucas says he has nothing to do with the movie. His whole divorce thing.
The Vanity Fair article says Lucas had a script ready to go and they rejected it.
J.J. says he has nothing but respect for Lucas, but midichlorians are terrible, I want to kill Jar Jar and put his bones in the dessert.
Lucas says he has nothing to do with the movie. His whole divorce thing.
The Vanity Fair article says Lucas had a script ready to go and they rejected it.
J.J. says he has nothing but respect for Lucas, but midichlorians are terrible, I want to kill Jar Jar and put his bones in the dessert.
The Elite
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I assume it's going to be Kylo lashing out with the force. Maybe force pushed.
"YOU NEVER LOVED ME, DADDY!"
chesspieceface
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Well Lucas said that literally in an interview, and sounded bitter about it.
chesspieceface
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There's some pretty solid PR spin in all this. There's an akwardness between Abrams and Lucas, have you felt it?
Bobby Roberts
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No he didn't. He was joking.
Nothing you've said this entire last page has been all that accurate or well informed.
All of them?
Lucas said the took their own direction and he couldn't go through with it, otherwise he wouldve been a pain for himself and everyone else, hence the divorce. He wanted to make room for the new guys and experience the movie as a fan.
Abrams has a lot of respect for Lucas, and the science of the force he wrote, but at least for his movie, he'll try to recreate a more mystical feel like the one he had when little, however he will not dare change a thing from Lucas's story.
Jar Jar Bones were a joke...Guys, It's perfectly OK to disagree with an author on a decision, but still love the overall story.
Bobby Roberts
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Also, thought the last couple pages had blown up because the soundtrack finally got out there.
And are people in the OT actually complaining because they think the thread title is ACTUALLY a spoiler? It's a joke about the nature of the rumor mill, using a line from Han in the trailer.
There is no way ALL of what you've heard about The Force Awakens is going to be true, even IF the script had leaked. Something would still be wrong. Something is always wrong.
As Chesspieface is amply proving.
And are people in the OT actually complaining because they think the thread title is ACTUALLY a spoiler? It's a joke about the nature of the rumor mill, using a line from Han in the trailer.
There is no way ALL of what you've heard about The Force Awakens is going to be true, even IF the script had leaked. Something would still be wrong. Something is always wrong.
As Chesspieface is amply proving.
chesspieceface
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What are you talking about?
"The issue was ultimately, they looked at the stories and they said, 'We want to make something for the fans,'" Lucas said. "People don't actually realize it's actually a soap opera and it's all about family problems - it's not about spaceships. So they decided they didn't want to use those stories, they decided they were going to do their own thing so I decided, 'fine.... I'll go my way and I let them go their way.'"
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-lucas-on-why-he-is-done-directing-star-wars/
And the "Only Originals + Prequels" camp is strong in other forums. Not just him.
The entire new trilogy, Rebels, TCW...all get quickly dismissed as "Fan Fiction" because it's not Lucas (Except it is)
What does this mean?
Any ideas where that came from?
As far as i know Arndt never even saw Lucas's treatments.
Arndt was brought in for an original treatment which involved a girl on a desert planet and an AWOL trooper but needed another 18months to get it done so JJ and Kasdan started again. Using ideas from the Arndt script.
http://io9.com/j-j-abrams-told-us-the-origin-story-of-star-wars-the-1747119292
What, he wasn't clear? A story chronicling the growing rebellion and a Jedi on the run from the Empire has no place during a slice of Star Wars canon in which the rebellion was growing and the Jedi were on the run from the Empire. It just *doesn't make sense*.
Afraid not, I remember reading it and discussing it here on GAF though
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