[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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Bobby Roberts said:
It is almost never, ever, ever legit. Ever.

I think it's happened like, once? Maybe twice?



Well then.

People basically only go to that subreddit to either a) complain about Making Star Wars or b) look for an hour to kill stirring the chumbucket with completely fabricated bullshit.
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I heard an interesting rumor about how that sub started in the first place.

There was a thread on The Cantina forum where all they did was complain about MSW. The guy who ran the main site went in there and said they couldn't use the forum to complain about MSW all the time, so a bunch of those people went and started that subreddit so they could do it there.

Don't know if that's true or not, but it fits with why everything about MSW gets down voted there.
 
Freezasaurus said:
Man, now you're making me want to see if I can go back for another look. But from what I remember, the head was a smidge less tall and more round.
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That's not a straight denial! lol

Flow-Walker said:
Did anyone listen to the Collider Jedi Council tonight? Are they still confirming the fan art is what he looks like?
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Just listened to it and they don't mention it at all. I don't know how they're going to get out of this if Snoke doesn't look like him.

The guy on reddit who says he listened to the audio book said Rey and Kylo aren't related and Kylo isn't Han and Leia's son. He's trolling people hard ha.
 
No one wants to take me up on my avatar bet? Where is all your confidence now?

Confirmed onscreen Han Solo death = you pick my avatar for a month. No death or it's ambiguous like Gandalf in Fellowship = I pick yours.
 
So here's my (crazy) fan theory.

So I think I know why Luke is in hiding. My theory is that post ROTJ he decided to rebuild the Jedi order by starting a "Jedi academy" to train young, force sensitive individuals. Amongst this group were a very young Rey and Kylo Ren. The first order discovered the location of the academy, waited until Luke was "off planet" and destroyed the academy, slaughtering the young students. There were 2 exceptions to this - Rey who was with her parents and Kylo. Rey's parents thought that if the order found she was alive they'd come after her - and that the order would track her through them. So they found an out of the way planet on the Outer Rim called Jakku where they left her, promising to return when they thought it was safe. They never did, presumably because they were killed. Who they knew that could look after her whilst they disappeared I don't know. Kylo happens to be the son of Han and Leia and Luke recognises the force strength in him early on and promises to Han and Leia that he will take him in and train him personally, guaranteeing his safety. When Luke returns and finds the academy destroyed and Kylo missing presumed dead he is racked with guilt. He comes to the conclusion that his very presence is a danger to those around him and those he loves. He decides that the best way to protect them is to vanish. The presumed death of Kylo hits Leia and Han hard and contributes to the breakdown of their relationship. With Luke gone, Kylo dead and seperated from Han, Leia puts all her energy into the resistance to channel and avoid her grief. Little do they know that Kylo is alive. The first order and specifically Snoke realised the family connection, kidnapped Kylo and somehow convinced him that his family had betrayed him, and turned him towards the dark side of the force. He does know his familial connection hence his obsession with Vader who he considers to be his true father figure. I'm still not sure why Luke's Lightsaber is found. At the end of the movie Rey finds Luke. End of movie. I think it won't be explained at the end but she'll tell him about Kylo and Hans death. He'll come out of hiding. He will be the key to Kylo renouncing the dark side...BTW I reckon that Kylo kills Han - Han will pause recognising the son he thought was dead. Kylo will use this moment to slaughter him even though he knows Han to be his father. His hatred for Han will be drilled into him as part of his conversion to the dark side. Abandonment issues?? I don't think the movie will make it explicit that Kylo is Han and Leia's son - especially as Kylo Ren is not his birth name. Luke won't know himself until he sees Kylo in person in one of the sequels and Rey doesn't know Kylo's true identity. That's part of the reason why Kylo is normally masked. To protect his true identity.

So am I totally crazy?
 
Jack Remington said:
We're on.
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Bored to death at work so I might as well start looking for a good avatar!

secretly still hope you'll win it though

OriginalThinking said:
So here's my (crazy) fan theory. I'm going to spoiler tag it even though it's partly conjecture (there is some major spoilers in there if I'm right) and this is the spoiler thread because the film isn't out yet. Here goes!

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So I am totally crazy?
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Have you read any spoilers so far?
 
StopMakingSense said:
Well some of that reads almost directly out of the synopsis. Some of the specifics are unknown, though, especially in the later half of your thing.
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Yeah, I've read some spoilers about Hans death and Luke not appearing until very near the end. A lot of this is guesswork mind. I don't necessarily expect all of my guesses to be explained within the movie, but they will become known through the sequels. There's still a lot of stuff I'm dark on though. Like who is Snoke? BB8? Rey's parentage. Etc

EDIT: Not entirely sure about the Rey stuff - unless she was so young she doesn't recall her time in the academy except in a really vague way - that would explain Han saying "it's all true" and that she references stories, because she was too young to recall Luke or Kylo and her own very early life. I'm more confident in the Kylo stuff though.
 
I don't think this movie will answer who Rey's parents are or what Finn's past is. That is for this trilogy's ESB or ROTJ to answer.
Might even be that they stay vague on Kylo being Han's son or leave some other twist open.
 
Guy.brush said:
I don't think this movie will answer who Rey's parents are or what Finn's past is. That is for this trilogy's ESB or ROTJ to answer.
Might even be that they stay vague on Kylo being Han's son or leave some other twist open.
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I think they will. Kathleen Kennedy once again emphasized that the Saga films will be about the Skywalker family. So Kylo will 100% be shown to the audience as Leia's and Han's son and Rey will likely be revealed as Luke's daughter by the end.
 
OriginalThinking said:
So here's my (crazy) fan theory. I'm going to spoiler tag it even though it's partly conjecture (there are some major spoilers in there if I'm right) and though this is the spoiler thread, the film isn't out yet. Here goes!

So I think I know why Luke is in hiding. My theory is that post ROTJ he decided to rebuild the Jedi order by starting a "Jedi academy" to train young, force sensitive individuals. Amongst this group were a very young Rey and Kylo Ren. The first order discovered the location of the academy, waited until Luke was "off planet" and destroyed the academy, slaughtering the young students. There were 2 exceptions to this - Rey who was with her parents and Kylo. Rey's parents thought that if the order found she was alive they'd come after her - and that the order would track her through them. So they found an out of the way planet on the Outer Rim called Jakku where they left her, promising to return when they thought it was safe. They never did, presumably because they were killed. Who they knew that could look after her whilst they disappeared I don't know. Kylo happens to be the son of Han and Leia and Luke recognises the force strength in him early on and promises to Han and Leia that he will take him in and train him personally, guaranteeing his safety. When Luke returns and finds the academy destroyed and Kylo missing presumed dead he is racked with guilt. He comes to the conclusion that his very presence is a danger to those around him and those he loves. He decides that the best way to protect them is to vanish. The presumed death of Kylo hits Leia and Han hard and contributes to the breakdown of their relationship. With Luke gone, Kylo dead and seperated from Han, Leia puts all her energy into the resistance to channel and avoid her grief. Little do they know that Kylo is alive. The first order and specifically Snoke realised the family connection, kidnapped Kylo and somehow convinced him that his family had betrayed him, and turned him towards the dark side of the force. He does know his familial connection hence his obsession with Vader who he considers to be his true father figure. I'm still not sure why Luke's Lightsaber is found. At the end of the movie Rey finds Luke. End of movie. I think it won't be explained at the end but she'll tell him about Kylo and Hans death. He'll come out of hiding. He will be the key to Kylo renouncing the dark side...BTW I reckon that Kylo kills Han - Han will pause recognising the son he thought was dead. Kylo will use this moment to slaughter him even though he knows Han to be his father. His hatred for Han will be drilled into him as part of his conversion to the dark side. Abandonment issues?? I don't think the movie will make it explicit that Kylo is Han and Leia's son - especially as Kylo Ren is not his birth name. Luke won't know himself until he sees Kylo in person in one of the sequels and Rey doesn't know Kylo's true identity. That's part of the reason why Kylo is normally masked. To protect his true identity.

So am I totally crazy?
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Rey knows Kylo is Hans son. Han confronts Kylo and calls him his son in front of all the characters. It isn't a secret. That is pretty apparent in the leaked shot list.
 
Jack Remington said:
No one wants to take me up on my avatar bet? Where is all your confidence now?

Confirmed onscreen Han Solo death = you pick my avatar for a month. No death or it's ambiguous like Gandalf in Fellowship = I pick yours.
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I would, but:

1) I think it's unfair that if it's "ambiguous" it goes your way.
2) there's just too much room for discussion depending on how it's shot. what if he is split in half and drops down a shaft like Maul? Maul still came back, and that's canon.

I mean you are annoying already, I can't imagine what it will be if you actually have something to lose. so I'll pass if you insist that you win if it's only "ambiguous"
 
Moff said:
I would, but:

1) I think it's unfair that if it's "ambiguous" it goes your way.
2) there's just too much room for discussion depending on how it's shot. what if he is split in half and drops down a shaft like Maul? Maul still came back, and that's canon.

I mean you are annoying already, I can't imagine what it will be if you actually have something to lose. so I'll pass if you insist that you win if it's only "ambiguous"
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He is the only person who didn't hide from spoilers who is still in denial about the shot list leak here on GAF. It would be unfair to do a avatar bet with him because he is so so so clearly in denial.
 
Cheebo said:
He is the only person who didn't hide from spoilers who is still in denial about the shot list leak here on GAF. It would be unfair to do a avatar bet with him because he is so so so clearly in denial.
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I only read it once, but I got the impression that it was ambiguous too.
 
Cheebo said:
He is the only person who didn't hide from spoilers who is still in denial about the shot list leak here on GAF. It would be unfair to do a avatar bet with him because he is so so so clearly in denial.
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And then be the type of person to find that one detail and claim it's a loophole to renege on the bet and to try and turn it back on you. Not worth it.
 
chesspieceface said:
I only read it once, but I got the impression that it was ambiguous too.
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Han getting stabbed with a saber and collapsing to the ground and everyone freaking out and leaving the planet in the falcon without him after the battle isn't ambiguous in the slightest.

You think Chewie would leave Han there if he thought he was alive and just injured? And after the battle Chewie goes off with Rey to find Luke. No Han.

Not to mention the shot says "Kylo ends the conversation forever" when he stabs him. That's dead.
 
Curious, where is that from?

From the leaked shot list:

INT EVE - 317 - STARKILLER BASE - RAMPARTS • Han Solo hides, then decides to reveal himself to Kylo Ren.

INT EVE - 318 - STARKILLER BASE - RAMPARTS - UPPER LEVELS • Finn and Rey and Chewbacca stop to watch what's happening below

INT EVE - 319 - STARKILLER BASE - RAMPARTS • The conversation comes to a sudden end

INT DAY - 320 - RESISTANCE BASE - MAP ROOM • Leia has felt what has happened at Starkiller Base.

So, *this* is ambiguous, and I feel the shot with Leia makes it even more ambiguous (is she feeling this about Han, or about Kylo?)
 
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Could this image be reasonably considered a spoiler?
 
chesspieceface said:
Curious, where is that from?

From the leaked shot list:

INT EVE - 317 - STARKILLER BASE - RAMPARTS • Han Solo hides, then decides to reveal himself to Kylo Ren.

INT EVE - 318 - STARKILLER BASE - RAMPARTS - UPPER LEVELS • Finn and Rey and Chewbacca stop to watch what's happening below

INT EVE - 319 - STARKILLER BASE - RAMPARTS • The conversation comes to a sudden end

INT DAY - 320 - RESISTANCE BASE - MAP ROOM • Leia has felt what has happened at Starkiller Base.

So, *this* is ambiguous, and I feel the shot with Leia makes it even more ambiguous (is she feeling this about Han, or about Kylo?)
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Conversation comes to a sudden end. Kylo has multiple scenes after this part. Han has zero scenes he appears in after this part. It is pretty obvious.

chesspieceface said:
I think the heroes might *think* Han is dead, but that it's possible he isn't and *TWIST* reappears somehow in Ep 8 or 9.
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There is no way you really think that is a possibility. Han mortally wounded and seemed dead but secretly comes back! That is a jump the shark level nonsense. Ford is 73. This is it for him. This movie is about passing on the baton to the new kids too. Bringing him back would defeat is apparently death and go against making this movie the passing of the baton.
 
And by the way, with this :

INT EVE - 318 - STARKILLER BASE - RAMPARTS - UPPER LEVELS • Finn and Rey and Chewbacca stop to watch what's happening below

I get the feeling that if the "Kylo is Han's son" reveal is at that moment, Finn, Rey and Chewie might not be in hearing distance and that they might get into Ep 8 not knowing.
 
Alternate Spoiler Thread Titles:

[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens | See You, Space Cowboy

[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens | Han Dies First

[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens | End The Conversation Forever
 
Cheebo said:
Conversation comes to a sudden end. Kylo has multiple scenes after this part. Han has zero scenes he appears in after this part. It is pretty obvious.


There is no way you really think that is a possibility. Han mortally wounded and seemed dead but secretly comes back! That is a jump the shark level nonsense. Ford is 73. This is it for him. This movie is about passing on the baton to the new kids too. Bringing him back would defeat is apparently death and go against making this movie the passing of the baton.
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Well it happened twice in the LOTR movies :P

Somehow I strongly double Disney has the balls to do something like this (but I hope I'll be proven wrong)
 
chesspieceface said:
And by the way, with this :

INT EVE - 318 - STARKILLER BASE - RAMPARTS - UPPER LEVELS • Finn and Rey and Chewbacca stop to watch what's happening below

I get the feeling that if the "Kylo is Han's son" reveal is at that moment, Finn, Rey and Chewie might not be in hearing distance and that they might get into Ep 8 not knowing.
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It's revealed during the Maz Kanata flashbacks. We see Han and Leia bring their son Kylo to Luke.
 
Cheebo said:
It's revealed during the Maz Kanata flashbacks. We see Han and Leia bring their son Kylo to Luke.
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Still, *from the shot list only* it's ambiguous who is experiencing that flashback.

Yeah I don't know why but the only thing I trust is that shot list, which I feel deliberately leaves out some important details.
 
I believe the "Kylo ends the conversation forever" is more of a spin put on by MSW/IR. Who didn't actually publish the verbatim shot list (which ended up on TFN)

Still the fact Han is in no other scenes after that shot makes it achingly obvious.
 
Kuros said:
I believe the "Kylo ends the conversation forever" is more of a spin put on by MSW/IR. Who didn't actually publish the verbatim shot list (which ended up on TFN.

Still the fact Han is in no other scenes after that shot makes it achingly obvious.
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I'm not debating that: I think the movie wants you to think that Han is indeed dead, but that in reality he might not be and will be back in Ep 8 or 9 as a *cheap* twist.
 
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