Not really lazy, I'd say he was more unwilling to commit to stuff toward the end he spent years developing.
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Not really lazy, I'd say he was more unwilling to commit to stuff toward the end he spent years developing.
SolVanderlyn
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What do you mean, he gave us plenty of Gohan
This is literally the second image when you Google "Gohan Revival of F"
This is literally the second image when you Google "Gohan Revival of F"
Which is why I said near the end (of the manga) lol.
The high school stuff was some of the best.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Gohan has a long and storied history of looking ridiculous
Maybe if you ignore how certain characters disappeared for like a decade lol.
He ignores 100% of his characters oh snap!
Ultra Numb
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To be fair that's more because of the Hiatus mode, not so much the quantity of content like with Dragon Ball. It seems like the new arc in HxH
Kurapika and Leorio will be big focuses
ElectricThunder
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Screw it, meet us halfway with a Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken remake/sequel thing as that was some of the finest/well wrought animated work of his in terms of tension right up there with the peaks of DB/Z..
I'm not expecting the manga to ever finish the current arc with the way things are going.
TheAwesomePossum
Banned
1.) Toriyama isn't an animator.
2.) Toriyama had literally zero involvement with the DQ manga and anime. He didn't do the art or writing. Hell, the designs even differed from his. He was even asked by a fan to do a DQ manga in a Q&A during DB's serialization. Toriyama replied that it would be a pain to do a DQ manga because of the numerous characters the franchise has. He said this in 1988 by the way.
ElectricThunder
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Interesting...I was always under the vague impression that Emblem of Roto was his work at least somewhat same as the rest. I know Abel no Yuusha had a markedly different style than Dai, but what a surprise!
TheAwesomePossum
Banned
I do know that Abel no Yuusha's production staff tried their best to emulate Toriyama's artwork, but that doesn't necessarily mean Toriyama was involved in coming up with designs at all.
This is literally the second image when you Google "Gohan Revival of F"
LMAO
what is this
Didn't he want it to end after the Emperor Pilaf arc?
Sibersk Esto
Banned
If he's not dressed like someone else, his fashion sense is ridiculous
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
Well not want but expected it to.
According to the Daizenshuu 2 interview, he didn't plan on it lasting longer than a year.
Kanzenshuu has a nice write up about all the supposed endings of Dragon Ball.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/intended-end/
Lamel
Banned
Fuccboi
track suit Gohan is GOAT
Shouta
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Dai no Daibouken is written by Sanjo Riku and drawn by Inada Kouji while Emblem of Roto is drawn and written by Fujiwara Kamui.
Both artists try to incorporate elements of Toriyama's style into the work because it's synonymous with Dragon Quest. Inada does it well enough that to an untrained eye, it looks like Toriyama's work.Fujiwara's influence comes in the character designs initially, particularly the protagonist but he branches off significantly beyond that.
Personally speaking Emblem of Roto is better than Dai due in large part because it's related to Dragon Quest III and further expands on it. Dai no Daibouken is pure shounen which makes it enjoyable though.
ElectricThunder
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I guess for me the lingering thing with Dai in relation to the above is that, to this day, it pretty much remains the most "DB", not "DBZ", anime I've ran into since the original.
Each show has that sense of exuberant energy, battle tension, the great music, detail to world building, and classic animation treatment that just attacks at all sorts of nostalgia---especially as somebody that spent a lot of time with the early DQ games in particular. With each console generation, the hope is rekindled that they hit a slump in DQ and decide to just finally make a game adaptation for any/all of the Roto/Dai/Abel/etc spins on it. I mean, given the historical state of most "game anime" from the 80's/90's, it is a wonder it turned out as well as it did versus being a low effort cash in.
Still have hope that they'll go deeper in Super, this latest arc thus far being much better done than the movie rendition in a general sense.
Each show has that sense of exuberant energy, battle tension, the great music, detail to world building, and classic animation treatment that just attacks at all sorts of nostalgia---especially as somebody that spent a lot of time with the early DQ games in particular. With each console generation, the hope is rekindled that they hit a slump in DQ and decide to just finally make a game adaptation for any/all of the Roto/Dai/Abel/etc spins on it. I mean, given the historical state of most "game anime" from the 80's/90's, it is a wonder it turned out as well as it did versus being a low effort cash in.
Still have hope that they'll go deeper in Super, this latest arc thus far being much better done than the movie rendition in a general sense.
This is wrong.
The infamous piccolo vs cell form 1 fight didn't happen? He let cell talk, just to gain Intel with a destroyed arm. Even though he could have killed cell.
The infamous piccolo vs 17 fight didn't happen? He surrounded 17 with "missed" energy balls and nearly killed him with hellzone. Piccolo was clever as ever.
Gohan post cell saga was shown to be more of a brawler. He was bustin buus ass with no beams.
Tien was also still useful. He is a HUMAN. He had no right holding cell down the way he did. But he did anyway. Like a G. He is the ki master imo.
Anyways, piccolo took a cheap shot, but I hear he will be back... And he might get a power boost which makes me happy. We'll see. Let Toriyama work. Please let this man work.
LordOfChaos
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I was thinking about the last episode, how does it make sense that they suddenly got worried about starving to death when talking about time passing outside of the time chamber dimension they were in? Wouldn't they eat according to the time /within/ wherever they are, not the outside world? If a day was a year in the old HBTC, if they ate three meals per outside day,all they'd do is eat!
Heck, they may starve /while/ they eat, if they can't manage 900 meals a day!
Heck, they may starve /while/ they eat, if they can't manage 900 meals a day!
Pankratous
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Yeah, I didn't understand that either.
TheRealTalker
Banned
Gohan, Gotenks... both flops
All hail Pain and King Piccolo.... just you wait and see
All hail Pain and King Piccolo.... just you wait and see
NeonZ
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It sounds like your subs are just odd. If they had said that they needed to eat according to the outside world's time, then they wouldn't need to be worried at all, since so little time would pass. They need to eat according to the time that passes within, which is why they got so worried about starving.
LordOfChaos
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Yeah, so exactly...Why would they get so panicked all of a sudden then? If time passes at 1x outside and 300x inside, they'd just have to eat as they do normally, since they're inside....?
It's not like they have to eat 300x as much for the time that passes outside, if their bodies are within the new time speed.
I mean, yeah, finding food is obviously a priority, but their reactions made it seem like if they didn't find it right away they'd turn to dust or something, when they should be able to at least go a few days (assuming Saiyan physiology won't kill them in a single day without food?).
Icyflamez96
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NeonZ
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The Room of Space and Time was completely empty and featureless outside of the palace, which had the room with daily food. However, there's seemingly no palace or any other structure in Whis' room, so there's the chance that it just has no food and they'll starve to death if they stay there - remember, even an hour outside would be days to them in there.
GameMarked
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I think you have it backwards. A small amount of time passing in the outside world would be a long time for them. At least that's how it worked for RoSaT. 1 day outside was 1 year inside. If Whis was gonna leave them there for a few hours, they'd surely be worried about food.
TheRealTalker
Banned
lol Pan... Pan
The Silver
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Yes, with how he constantly tries to kill himself with tri-beam spam he would have zenkais out the ass.
I am sure he will be one of the best fighters.
And we all know the answer to what if yamcha was a saiyan.
Gohan
Tien isn't evwn the top dog of humans.
Everyone but Goku is a jobber. Even Vegeta has been a scrub during most of his run through the series.
That's what bothers me the most of DB: everything comes down to Goku, ALWAYS with no exceptions. I'm sure he is not even that popular of a character (in fact he is the most assholish and selfish character of the show by far), Toriyama just doesn't want to bother with anyone else taking the spotlight. I'm a little surprised that Vegeta is doing something with all this training in Super, but deep down I know he won't count for shit.
Oh...
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My guess is they want a lot more money than usual and/or maybe trying to shop around a bit. Or Toei just being Toei, idk.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
LMAO yeah he is that popular of a character.
And Vegeta was by far the more assholish and selfish character. By a large margin.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
lol wat, Vegeta has grown to really care about his family, Goku doesn't give a single fuck about anyone but him.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Goku: stays with his family if he can, has no problem saying he cares about his family, has a job, his biggest problem being that he considers his family more like companions and gets more enjoyment training and testing his limits than doing boring family stuff.
Vegeta: didn't acknowledge trunks, future and present version, is still standoffish about showing affection, sold his soul when he thought they were making him soft.
Seven Force
Banned
Goku:
- Happily lets his teenage stupid son be tortured by Cell hoping he would awake some special power. Even the weird green guy was angry at that. And he was supposed to be a demon. In fact Piccollo has always been the father figure Gohan needed and never got, figures.
- After Cell is defeated he refuses to come back to life with some stupid excuse, effectively abandoning his wife and son forever. His wife was pregnant at the time btw. Best husband and parent ever.
- Comes back to life for one day and a new baddie shows up, he could have killed him but he decided not to on a whim, resulting in the death of all his family and well, practically all life in the Universe.
- Is bored to tears of his family, he nevers fails to mention that to them, and instead of working he spends his time destroying stuff.
I would say that's pretty assholish.
Let's remember Vegeta (post-family, like Goku):
- His biggest dick move was allowing the creation of Perfect Cell, that was a huuuuuge fail on his part. A failure that Goku repeated with Buu as I mentioned before and that he was decided not to make again (remember Frieza's movie).
- He was pretty hard on Future Trunks, yes, but a) He was not his real son, b) The kid needed that, come on. He was pretty proud when Trunks became buffed up, and when Cell almost kills him he enters into a blind rage, which helped to kill the android. The only time Goku has entered into a blind rage was when Frieza killed Krillin. Yep.
- Killed some innocent people on the last tournament after he sold his soul to the goat guy. Second biggest dick move on his part, but he knew they would be revived with the DB so... good? After all what he wanted was to kick Goku's AND Buu's ass, unlike some other saiyan I know.
- Is bored to tears of his family, he nevers fails to mention that to them, and instead of working he spends his time working out (same as Goku). Buuuuut, he scored the rich girl so he doesn't need to work anyway and he went to the amusement park, come on, give the guy some slack! He also entered into a blind rage when the god of destruction touched his wife. That takes balls of steel or profound love for your family. Knowing how he was crying like a girl before Beerus hit Bulma I would say the latter...
- Happily lets his teenage stupid son be tortured by Cell hoping he would awake some special power. Even the weird green guy was angry at that. And he was supposed to be a demon. In fact Piccollo has always been the father figure Gohan needed and never got, figures.
- After Cell is defeated he refuses to come back to life with some stupid excuse, effectively abandoning his wife and son forever. His wife was pregnant at the time btw. Best husband and parent ever.
- Comes back to life for one day and a new baddie shows up, he could have killed him but he decided not to on a whim, resulting in the death of all his family and well, practically all life in the Universe.
- Is bored to tears of his family, he nevers fails to mention that to them, and instead of working he spends his time destroying stuff.
I would say that's pretty assholish.
Let's remember Vegeta (post-family, like Goku):
- His biggest dick move was allowing the creation of Perfect Cell, that was a huuuuuge fail on his part. A failure that Goku repeated with Buu as I mentioned before and that he was decided not to make again (remember Frieza's movie).
- He was pretty hard on Future Trunks, yes, but a) He was not his real son, b) The kid needed that, come on. He was pretty proud when Trunks became buffed up, and when Cell almost kills him he enters into a blind rage, which helped to kill the android. The only time Goku has entered into a blind rage was when Frieza killed Krillin. Yep.
- Killed some innocent people on the last tournament after he sold his soul to the goat guy. Second biggest dick move on his part, but he knew they would be revived with the DB so... good? After all what he wanted was to kick Goku's AND Buu's ass, unlike some other saiyan I know.
- Is bored to tears of his family, he nevers fails to mention that to them, and instead of working he spends his time working out (same as Goku). Buuuuut, he scored the rich girl so he doesn't need to work anyway and he went to the amusement park, come on, give the guy some slack! He also entered into a blind rage when the god of destruction touched his wife. That takes balls of steel or profound love for your family. Knowing how he was crying like a girl before Beerus hit Bulma I would say the latter...
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