[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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Bobby post viewing any different thoughts on its box office run?

My gut keeps telling me people going nuts over opening weekend in the media are really going to scare away the walk ups....
 
Why take pleasure in this though? I feel like you've done this a lot over the past couple of months.

A lot of people saw a female lead, male minority co-star, and were hoping that both of their characters would be special representations in some way.

I'm happy for Daisy Ridley/Rey, most seem to be saying that she's great in this.

But I'm pretty disgusted to find that Finn is even *worse* then spoilers suggested. He legit sounds like a clown in this.

A step forward, as well as a step back.

Really hope this is just my own anxiety. And if it's not, then I hope that there IS a backlash that catches on...because I'd like to see something better from him in the sequels.

I think I saw Spike at the premier event last night...wonder what he was thinking lol.

Look at Bobby's post above yours. What's wrong with that sort of character? It seems like a decent character to me. Sounds kinda like a young naive kid, that been through a lot and seem some shit but isn't afraid to back down from danger
 
He's basically both Han & Luke '77 at the same time, with the same flaws.

Naw man. Luke was a respectable farmer with natural talents and a sense for adventure. Han was a cunning smuggler with swag for days. Finn that dude skinning potatoes in the galley during the invasion of normandy
 
Naw man. Luke was a respectable farmer with natural talents and a sense for adventure. Han was a cunning smuggler with swag for days. Finn that dude skinning potatoes in the galley during the invasion of normandy
You just described Luke at the end. Dude had a dead end awful job and desperately wanted off the planet. He didn't have a respectable job at all. He was a nobody in the middle of nowhere doing jack shit.

From the deleted Toschi Station scene it was clear all his friends thought he was a loser.
 
I don't want to be 100% spoiled so I don't want to scan the whole thread, but I do want to know one thing: does Han Solo die? Is it 100% confirmed?
 
Naw man. Luke was a respectable farmer with natural talents and a sense for adventure. Han was a cunning smuggler with swag for days. Finn that dude skinning potatoes in the galley during the invasion of normandy

I mean, if you wanna spin it that way, I guess you can.

I coulda rolled up in here and said "well, it's better than Into Darkness," and that would be true, but it doesn't say the same thing that I'm actually saying, though.

does Han Solo die?

Yes.
 
How can he still not be a positive representation? Bobby said the character is competent Boyega is great in this.

I'm not saying his character isn't positive or interesting, I'm sure he's great and I'm sure he'll have his moments to shine, but there's a special appeal in a character that can use the Force.
 
You know who else was cleaning toilets?

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Coincidence? I do think so.
 
I'm not saying his character isn't positive or interesting, but there's a special appeal in a character that can use the Force.

I never once thought he'd be a force user. In that first teaser I thought he was nothing more than a stormtrooper. Rey just looked more the part to use the force. Lone scaveger etc..Just felt obvious.
 
Those two are so vastly different that I have no clue what to make of that.

Exuberance/naivete/innate goodness
Full of shit/Smartass/shortsighted

He learns quickly (Luke) Kicks his fair share of ass (Han) Makes dumb calls that get him put in shit situations (Han) blusters his way out of hit (Han) for all the right reasons (Luke) because he openly, obviously, gives a shit and doesn't care if you know it (Luke)
 
Can't believe no one asked! Bobby, you were one of the early Rey is Lukes kid believers. Obviously we get no clear answer this time but does your post-viewing belief still point this way?
 
Exuberance/naivete/innate goodness
Full of shit/Smartass/shortsighted

He learns quickly (Luke) Kicks his fair share of ass (Han) Makes dumb calls that get him put in shit situations (Han) blusters his way out of hit (Han) for all the right reasons (Luke) because he openly, obviously, gives a shit and doesn't care if you know it (Luke)

That's going to be interesting. I'm not sure how well that's going to mesh together though.
 
I feel like I woke up in an evil universe where Finn got done dirty worse than I ever could have imagined. Someone wake me up from this nightmare. Hoping Bobby is right about him.
 
Han Solo is easily the most beloved of the trio of the OT, no force at all.

I'm not denying that, I'm not saying Finn can't be amazing, I'm not saying it is necessary for a character to be force-sensitive to be popular. I'm just saying that given the special appeal of a character with superpowers, some people will be disappointed and all things considered I probably won't find joy in that (i.e. the reactions of those people).
 
Since Rey is basically John Cena, who can do it all including overpowering a so-called Jedi killer despite never picking up a lightsaber in her life, what kind of wrestling jobber would Finn be?

BronsonLee, help me out here. I'm thinking the Brooklyn Brawler.
 
The idea that every character has to have force powers to be interesting is what led us to the terrible CG spam that was the PTs to begin with!
 
I'm not denying that, I'm not saying Finn can't be amazing, I'm not saying it is necessary for a character to be force-sensitive to be popular. I'm just saying that given the special appeal of a character with superpowers, some people will be disappointed and all things considered I probably won't find joy in those reactions.

Well of course you'll have some people upset at that, but overall I don't think it'll make much difference. This movie will be my introduction to his character I don't know how his story ends and that makes me excited honestly.
 
I actually made some comment yesterday about how I want to see the toilet on the millennium falcon for that gritty realism. This will suffice.
 
Since Rey is basically John Cena, who can do it all including overpowering a so-called Jedi killer despite never picking up a lightsaber in her life, what kind of wrestling jobber would Finn be?

BronsonLee, help me out here. I'm thinking the Brooklyn Brawler.

Rey gonna hit Kylo with dat Attitude Adjustment #DoctorOfJedinomics

Finn would be Junkyard Dog. Or that black guy who lost to King Kong Bundy in like 9 seconds
 
The idea that every character has to have force powers to be interesting is what led us to the terrible CG spam that was the PTs to begin with!

That wasn't really a problem with the PTs though. It was how the Force Users were depicted rather than their actual existence.

Kenobi?

They can't dance around it and not have the answer have some sort of significance.

Unless Ben had a younger brother, I can't imagine she's a Kenobi.
 
Can't believe no one asked! Bobby, you were one of the early Rey is Lukes kid believers. Obviously we get no clear answer this time but does your post-viewing belief still point this way?

So it's not talked about at all?

There is nothing that directly confirms this, as all the flashbacks were vague hints, but honestly, given the timing of events and other bits it is the theory that I'm leaning towards now that I've seen the film.

@ Bobby/Syriel, does this actually happen?

I have no idea what "revelation" Ohwiseone is hinting at there.

Nothing even ruling out her being a Solo?

Han and Leia probably would have noticed if she was their kid.
 
I actually hope not much gets leaked from VIII this time around. If Rian is going to go nuts then id rather keep those stories under wraps. MSW was good throughout the leaks but i fear under new stuff he'll just get confused as I dont think he is too bright sometimes. I know thats mean.
 
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