Square Enix asks fans about if Persona 5/FF15 were out at same time, release hint?
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Flakster99
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Nonsense.
Been a FF fan since the original was released for the NES. The FF brand lacks the quality and pull it once had and for many iterations now. The Persona brand has simply exploded in quality with tremendous recent success and has earned all the praise it is now getting.
Maybe it is you who should get with the times?
Crash Station
Member
I don't trust him with it and I think Square is making a mistake by doing that.
That being said, it being multi-part makes it a lot easier to swallow.
Go_Ly_Dow
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TheGreatDirector
Banned
Why Nomura was taken off of Versus is but pure speculation at this point. It could have been due to incompetence or it could have been Square wanting him taking over the director position for FF7R and KH3. Regardless, both Persona 5 and FFXV have clearly been through different levels of development issues.
Flakster99
Member
I am with the times.
Give me all these games.
Hehe. I do agree with your premise though. I will eventually get both games with Persona 5 first if both games are launched close to one another. The SE poll and this very thread should be an eye opener. The FF brand has taken a huge hit and they sense it, and understand there is a new challenger for the RPG crown.
Except you don't know any of this at all and are being obtuse about the situation.
Nomura probably had zero to do with Versus not getting into development until 3 or 4 years after it was announced, nor was he probably to do at all with the fact that the game was not in development for a large portion of the time it was supposed to be. He has to be given a team and a budget to actually make the game, and keep that budget and team to ship a product, which obviously did not happen, when almost zero console games got launched on PS3 by SE internally last gen besides Lightning trilogy.
How could you say he's so incompetent yet ship multiple KH games of varying sizes in that meantime?
Persona as its own franchise has gained lots of positive momentum leading up to now. Final Fantasy is on a rebuilding process as I see it and is on a good track. If things keep going as they are, we may have a better discussion about Persona 6 / FF XVI than where P5 vs FFXV commentary is going.
Put it this way: if we look at any recent flaws and their effects to each series, we see that Persona has it better than Final Fantasy at the moment:
Persona 5 ---> deluge of Persona 4 spinoffs due to the immense rise of popularity of Persona 4.
Final Fantasy XV ---> impressions brought from the FFXIII's which has helped bring down the image of the FF franchise but has been resurging in ways with Type-0 and what we can get hands-on with FFXV so far.
Point is that FF's flaws have had more impact on FF than Persona's issues. And FF still has much more to do to get to where I choose a new FF title over an SMT title if this kind of question pops up again. I believe in Square-Enix, and with what I've witnessed and engaged myself in through their recent output, I'm quite sure that FFXV will be really good.
Put it this way: if we look at any recent flaws and their effects to each series, we see that Persona has it better than Final Fantasy at the moment:
Persona 5 ---> deluge of Persona 4 spinoffs due to the immense rise of popularity of Persona 4.
Final Fantasy XV ---> impressions brought from the FFXIII's which has helped bring down the image of the FF franchise but has been resurging in ways with Type-0 and what we can get hands-on with FFXV so far.
Point is that FF's flaws have had more impact on FF than Persona's issues. And FF still has much more to do to get to where I choose a new FF title over an SMT title if this kind of question pops up again. I believe in Square-Enix, and with what I've witnessed and engaged myself in through their recent output, I'm quite sure that FFXV will be really good.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Fans of both will be fine.
Even asking this question shows that they recognize the popularity of Persona. Especially in Japan. I think we will see a 6-8 week gap.
Heck, Persona may even hit in June/early July. Atlus isn't scared by Summer like everyone else.
KZXcellent
Member
Seriously though, there is zero proof of this nonsense. I don't see any incompentence from the man if he's released several KH games since 2006 and is heading up KH3 and FFVII. Pretty sure they wouldn't make him Director of an FFVII remake which is CLEARLY be set up to be much larger thing than XV if he screwed up Versus like you say.
Your post comes off as "I don't like him so everything is his fault."
Also Inuhanyou's post I think is dead on.
Agreed. I don't think SE would have him involved with two big projects if he was to blame for Versus-XIII being in development hell. People were worried that something was wrong when he left the project, but now that FFVIIR has been announced, things are coming to light.
I would have liked if he stayed on XV but this is what we have to accept. But now we can have all these different games to look forward to.
Crash Station
Member
I meant more incompetence in that one individual case, which was a result of spreading himself too thin. The guy is absurdly talented, but I think it's easy to surmise that being attached to 50 different projects between 2006 and 2013 didn't at least partially contribute to the development problems Verus had.
But you're right, I can't say any of this for certain. Just conclusions I've made on my own based on observations that could be 100% wrong. I feel like it's at least somewhat logical to make those conclusions though.
KZXcellent
Member
Yeah, him being taken off XV was super disappointing once the plethora of changes to the game came to light but I'm still real excited for it. I enjoyed Type-0 (which Tabata did) and FFXV still looks interesting and I enjoyed the demo immensely. Nomura's games however are next level experiences for me.
I'd buy both. Not sure which I'd play first if they came out on the same day. Maybe split my time 50/50?
That said I'd love if one came out and two weeks later, the next one came out, I'd be quite happy with that.
But yeah, I'd buy both easily.
That said I'd love if one came out and two weeks later, the next one came out, I'd be quite happy with that.
But yeah, I'd buy both easily.
though being in EULand means if they came out at the same time, I'd have completed FFXV probably by the time my import of P5 gets here >.> / by the time it gets released in EULand
KZXcellent
Member
The series is still a Nomura thing as far as I know. He oversees it just like FFVII:R. Of course Tai Yasue and Osaka are more hands on for sure. Nomura's at the point where he's not 100% focused on one project like he was years ago.
Type-O helped with a resurgeance? It bombed (or at least did very poorly) critically and commercially unfortunately.
Edit: FF XV all the way baby.
He oversees both projects, although i'm assuming he's more 'hands on' with FF7 as director, while Tai Yasue directly manages KH3 in Osaka.
I don't know if that's the case, but that's just what i've gotten from the situation
jetsetnickradio
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I actually liked FFXIII once you got to the end of the game and the world and side quests opened-up.
Those first 50 hours or so, though...
FFXIII-2 fixed some of the problems, but I think it also managed to ruin the battle system *shrugs*
I just CTRL+F'd every page with 'Persona' and almost spat out my drink - has GAF become weeaboo heaven?!
Persona 4 Golden is a legit 5/10, dungeon design is astrocious and the whole edgy anime character shtick is embarrassing. Okay, the UI is hard - but the rest? Y'all get blinded by your affection for 2D anime characters that are as flat as their character portraits. And now you want another one of those basura Social RPGs (can't believe I'm even typing this)?
Pass. Try again. Or better yet: don't.
FFXV originates from the brilliant mind of jeux-auteur Tetsuya Nomura and will not only sell boatloads of PS4s in Japan but start the age of cinematic RPGs paired with both hyperrealismé and masterful game design. Yes, the last demo was lowkey rough around the edges but that's because it's a game that demands everything from the consoles. I prefer avantgarde open-world action-RPG gameplay to linear, turn-based corridor moé bullshit at any time of the day.
Shame on all of you tbh
Persona 4 is garbage and Persona 4 Golden is even more garbage
1-3 are good tho, but then they went full animu
flatearthpandas
Member
Persona 5. No hesitation.
And the story. Even though it wasn't told in the best way by far, FF13 still told legible story that made sense to end where it did, in a definitive manner.
But they even had to ruin that by adding time travel and nonsensical gods and alternate dimensions on top of it, and other bizarre junk in the third game without any real necessity besides milking the teat that was the Crystal tools moneysink.
It was the same exact issue that FFX-2 had with the poignant and sincere FFX ending, with Tidus disappearing and Spira being free with everyone learning lessons about shit.
Battlechili
Banned
Toriyama is responsible for Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings though.
He can't be all bad.
But then again I also like FFXIII
I heard nothing but praise critically speaking when it comes to Type 0.
KZXcellent
Member
The only thing I disliked about Type-0 was them forcing you to do New Game+ to understand what's going on.
jetsetnickradio
Member
Yeah, that too. I liked playing as Serah and I liked the sub-story of Noel, Caius and Yuel, but they made a mess of the original story.
hydrophilic attack
Member
I'd choose FF XV every day of the week
Not trying to disparage Persona 4 ,but it really is typically slice of life anime.(But it does it well)
FF typically tackled much more difficult plots and world design,not that it succeeds all the time ,but its gets points for being more ambitious.
LouisaFerre
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FFXV honestly. I like Persona, but the kind of combat/gameplay that FFXV is *aiming for* seems to be far more to my tastes. It's not a bad system but I always found the battle system in P3 and P4 to be a bit lacking compared to the press turn system, and even then I tend to generally prefer ARPGs if they're executed well enough.
Also, people say that the Persona series has only gotten more positive momentum but honestly I feel like Persona 4 was worse than Persona 3 Portable in a number of ways. I also feel kind of embittered towards the franchise and Atlus/Sega in general just from how heavily they've milked P4 and the fanbase it's attracted. I don't mind anime, but I do feel like trying to turn Persona 4 more into that kind of pandering was just detrimental to the characters and the quality of the writing(this is essentially why #FE's reveal really left a sour taste in my mouth). Just not my thing. I still expect P5 to be a good game but I really don't expect it to be that important to me.
Also, people say that the Persona series has only gotten more positive momentum but honestly I feel like Persona 4 was worse than Persona 3 Portable in a number of ways. I also feel kind of embittered towards the franchise and Atlus/Sega in general just from how heavily they've milked P4 and the fanbase it's attracted. I don't mind anime, but I do feel like trying to turn Persona 4 more into that kind of pandering was just detrimental to the characters and the quality of the writing(this is essentially why #FE's reveal really left a sour taste in my mouth). Just not my thing. I still expect P5 to be a good game but I really don't expect it to be that important to me.
flatearthpandas
Member
Wut?
Do you mean the story in the data logs or something? Playing the game without looking at them, the story makes almost no sense toward the end.
I played Type-0 and found the experience similar to playing an early SNES Final Fantasy title but blown up all 3D. Just my opinion, but Type-0 had enough elements in play to convince me that Square-Enix, even after the mediocrity that was FFXIII, still respect their roots even though it may not come across as such explicitly. Despite the fact that it indeed bombed, I really think Type-0 deserved better than it has been getting, I really do. And even with all that, as crazy as it sounds, I don't think Square-Enix will be where they are at now with the greatness that is FFXV without Type-0.
FFXV will be a serious contender, but really it's a slam dunk for Persona 5.
KZXcellent
Member
A Dissidia-style game of Final Fantasy vs. Persona. I didn't know I needed this, but I CLEARLY NEED THIS REALLY BAD.
NoctisVsStar
Member
The problem with type-0 is that it released so many years after the original release on psp. I feel that if the west had gotten type-0 during psp era the acclaim would've been way different.
NoctisVsStar
Member
Noctis meets Yu.
It wasn't told in the best way at all, only playing it through a few times i made sense of most of the weird pronouns that were used and the overall plotline, but the sequels basically threw out even those small bits of decency.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Interesting.
i always assume P4 is loved across the board, but I suppose if you grew up playing the older and more darker Persona games, then P4 signifies the beginning of a tonal shift.
P3 was the 'reboot' of 1 and 2, and the series is usually divided against those who liked 1 and 2, and those who like 3 and 4..
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Do you have any links to the hot scoops you're dropping in that second paragraph, because at the moment you're talking 100% out of your ass.
While it doesn't look like it,Will persona 5 be that sort of 'reboot' going from P4 and 3 ?
SamuelSupreme
Banned
I'm sorry Square....Persona has been shitting on Final Fantasy since 2007
TheGreatDirector
Banned
I think I read somewhere that they're bringing demons back as the main enemies so I guess that's a start.