[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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I need to see the film again but damn I was super disappointed at how the scene was shot
It seemed super obvious to me, to the point where I was questioning if this was a red herring. I suspected that during the bridge scene either (a) Han was going to die or (b) Leia was gonna get blown up.
Finn was definitely my number one character. Completely blindsided me by how much I enjoyed him, his scenes with Rey/Solo/BB8/Chewie, his entire character introduction and arc. The fact that his reasons for defecting are still unclear at this point is so intriguing to me.
Rey is the new Luke.
Rey is also the new Han.
What does that make Finn? The new Leia!
Rey is the new Luke.
Rey is also the new Han.
What does that make Finn? The new Leia!
TangoAlphaLima
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Brah, she looks damn good right now compared to how she looked just a few years ago...
BenjaminBirdie
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Bullshit it is.
People looked up to Luke Skywalker for generations. He's to the word "hero" what Kleenex is to tissues.
And this time around its a girl. If you think that isn't revolutionary, when it's backed up by a film that delivers at every instance, a movie designed to be permenantly installed in the cultural canon immediately, I honestly don't know what to tell you.
Star Wars is the most significant and impactful IP in the Western World. The fact that Lucasfilm took a stand and made this trilogy's Luke a girl is beyond significant.
That's not hyperbole, it's fact.
Well, those characters doesn't look as real and it contradicts their claims that they were going to use practical effects where possible.
Sectorseven
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It would be nice, but I think the fast pace is a means for accommodating today's audience. Moviegoers don't have the attention span they used to, or at least that's the perception of the film makers.
For reference, a lot of older movie goers thought ANH was too fast paced at the time.
Shanks D Zoro
Banned
I just love being a deviant.
I just saw it.
Basic stream of conscious reaction incoming... In the first third or so, I thought we were witnessing a new sci fi classic. It was terrific. After that, though, they tried to too much and wrap it in too much fan service. We didn't need some weird new death star climax in the first movie. What they needed to do was put the pieces on the board. Instead, they did that, and also put in a death star climax, and put in a ton of fan service. It was crowded.
Anyway... Despite some issues, I liked the movie mainly on the strength of its great cast. Lightsaber battles being a bit more grounded and no longer based on ridiculous over the top kung fu choreography is a much welcome change.
PS was also nice to have decent cantina scene with real aliens and not just silly CG cartoons.
PS2 why on earth is the new dark sith emperor guy a big CG face? he's just a dude with grey skin and scars. He could be a person. Why be a big goofy cartoon face if you don't need to be? WTF?
Basic stream of conscious reaction incoming... In the first third or so, I thought we were witnessing a new sci fi classic. It was terrific. After that, though, they tried to too much and wrap it in too much fan service. We didn't need some weird new death star climax in the first movie. What they needed to do was put the pieces on the board. Instead, they did that, and also put in a death star climax, and put in a ton of fan service. It was crowded.
- Lightyears better than the PT. The fact that we actually got a good Star Wars movie, even if it has a few issues, is novel in my lifetime. Unlike the PT, it actually had likable characters and people with personalities. That goes a long way.
- Rey is fantastic. Fantastic. Fenn is great too. BB8 was great. Poe Dameron was very charismatic, his enthusiasm infectious.
- R2D2 waking up because suddenly the plot needed it was a bit silly.
- Rey holding a lightsaber for the first time and beating a trained sith, even if he was injured, is silly and flies against everything 30 years of star wars and jedi and sith have taught me. It should take years to be a good swordsman, and here she beats a sith on her first go with a saber.
- Fenn somewhat holding his own against KR was even more ridiculous.
- And how is Han's plan to exit lightspace on the other side of the shield? If it's just that simple, why not just make missiles that can do that? The shield would be useless.
- I saw Han's death coming a mile away, so I honestly wasn't surprised. As soon as I realized that's his son, I knew it was coming.
Anyway... Despite some issues, I liked the movie mainly on the strength of its great cast. Lightsaber battles being a bit more grounded and no longer based on ridiculous over the top kung fu choreography is a much welcome change.
PS was also nice to have decent cantina scene with real aliens and not just silly CG cartoons.
PS2 why on earth is the new dark sith emperor guy a big CG face? he's just a dude with grey skin and scars. He could be a person. Why be a big goofy cartoon face if you don't need to be? WTF?
My perception of the whole thing is colored by the old Expanded Universe. I can't unsee it. lol
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Right, but Kylo Ren had the mask in TFA, and he was talking to it.
I couldn't tell if that scene happened in his quarters on Starkiller Base, or his personal shuttle. If it was Starkiller Base, then it likely stayed there and got burned up. If it was on his shuttle AND the shuttle escaped, it still exists.
Just curious, because the Vader artifacts are seemingly going to play a bigger role in the formation of the Knights of Ren (in the books).
Dr Duncan Steel
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So it's painfully obvious that Rey is Luke's daughter; what do you think the reveal line will be?
Would laugh so hard if Luke straight up just says "I am your father." cause poetry and rhymes.
Would laugh so hard if Luke straight up just says "I am your father." cause poetry and rhymes.
Maybe its wrong but I was surprised(and loved) seeing Ren being chosen to be the force user and possibly the main character. We don't see strong women on the big screen that much, let alone in big budget movies like this.
And a possible interracial relationship too? With this kind of budget? They had awesome chemistry and I was really happy to see that.
And a possible interracial relationship too? With this kind of budget? They had awesome chemistry and I was really happy to see that.
Not Spaceghost
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Yeah I really hated this sequence, I think it had its heart in the right place to make us be like "oh lol han the scoundrel" but come on it was a total mess. Nothing about it even felt star wars, the beasts looked really bad, the guys in the armor looked out of mass effect and the whole thing just felt so unnecessary, especially because it comes right after the absolutely incredible experience that was the escape from Jakku.
It's the only scene in the movie i have 100% issues with really.
Harrison Ford's eyes wonder for a split second when Kimmel asks a question to whether Ford wanted Han killed in the original movies in a recent interview. https://youtu.be/6kDhd1JVimc?t=2m43s
DownGrader
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Oh, come the fuck on.
Han's death was spoiled for me by some jerk in PM, and "Kylo is Han's son" was some theory from months before the release which I happened to stumble upon, and it just stuck in the head despite me not believing it and not reading into it.
But, hey, everything else, including most of characters, were new to me. I didn't even know at all about Captain Phasma or other secondary characters. And it's not like the film was short on secrets and surprises.
BEN!
nah, but seriously, i'm with you. It's super significant and also a huge risk for Lucasfilm. There's certainly people out there who are simply yet unable to identify with a female protagonist, no matter how perfect.
TangoAlphaLima
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You need some kind of closure with the old EU. Maybe go out into an empty field, like in Office Space, but instead of taking a bat to a crappy printer, you burn your EU novels.
StormyTheRabbit
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Because its blue? And he lost it on bespin?...
The only lightsaber he built that was his was in ROTJ. The blue one was actually Vader's first.
Duane Cunningham
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I don't know if it necessarily had to fall out the bottom of the city down to the planet, though. It may have been in some crevice within the colony rig.
Also, in case we've forgotten, that's Anakin's lightsaber too, from the whole run of Clone Wars and RotS. Anakin's first saber gets cut in half at the end of Attack of the Clones on the droid assembly line.
So then, he has built a new one in Revenge of the Sith (and in Clone Wars)... that's the one he fights Obi Wan with in the lava fight, and apparently when Kenobi leaves him there, he takes his lightsaber. In ANH, he still has it and gives it to Luke (and Anakin/Vader now has a new, third lightsaber, the red one). Luke has it until he loses it in Bespin. And then somehow in the 30 years after that, it winds up with Maz.
NumberThree
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One thing about that is a bit interesting. Kylo Ren wanted to know where Luke was, and technically he got that information from her
Inspector Jones
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I was really glad that Snoke was a hologram; I was not feeling it when he looked like some giant troll.
Operations
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Is the trailer music included in the OST?
keltickennedy
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The Luke scene? Really? I thought it was incredible. And initially i was hoping that Luke was going to have more of a presence in this film. After seeing it. I thought it was perfect how they just put him at the end.
Maybe I read it wrong. Maybe his reaction at the end was, "sorry everyone....i couldn't lose the weight in time". lol.
Yeah, JJ got me with that too. At first I thought, "what!? this is some peter jackson hobbit shit." then they showed later it was a hologram. Ffffeeeewww, what a relief.
So that's why he turned to the dark side.
NO BEN!
Interesting to see others echo many of the criticisms I had while watching it. I felt it started off very strongly and in keeping with the original trilogy's vibe. As things got towards the middle, they just got more and more muddled IMO.
-Finn's arc was very hamfisted and done too quickly. I would've liked something more as to his change from a storm trooper (/sanitation worker?) to wanting to get out ASAP.
-Poe was used so little that it kind of seemed unnecessary to have much focus on him. Oh by the way, I got off Jakku with no explanation.
-The use of desert and snowy planets again felt very rehashed. I think a look at another interesting alien world would've done wonders for adding some unique visual variety to the film, instead of feeling like we're seeing Tattooine 2.0 and Hoth 2.0.
-Like others, I found Kylo's acting/manniersms/physical features to be a bit strange. I get they're wanting the character to be conflicted and immature, etc., but overall it just didn't work for me. I laughed at his tantrums (especially when the two soliders see him breaking things and walk away); his character seemed more like a joke than anyone intimidating. Ditto for the other commander who gives the full-blown Nazi speech; I just didn't buy it.
-Killing Han was another callback to Obi Wan's death in A New Hope (in a film with numerous intentional parallels) and it just didn't feel earned to me. You know it's going to happen once he walks out onto the catwalk, but I don't know. I needed something more from either character, or some idea why Kylo hates his father, doing good, etc.
-I love John Williams, but definitely felt the film was missing some of its unique identiy or new musical themes to work with.
Ultimately, it felt like A New Hope for a new generation, minus the character, gravitas, and unique qualities that made the original work IMO. It had good qualities, but unfortunately to me it came off as a streamlined retread of the original versus forging its own path, which the prequels did, albeit not successfully.
-Finn's arc was very hamfisted and done too quickly. I would've liked something more as to his change from a storm trooper (/sanitation worker?) to wanting to get out ASAP.
-Poe was used so little that it kind of seemed unnecessary to have much focus on him. Oh by the way, I got off Jakku with no explanation.
-The use of desert and snowy planets again felt very rehashed. I think a look at another interesting alien world would've done wonders for adding some unique visual variety to the film, instead of feeling like we're seeing Tattooine 2.0 and Hoth 2.0.
-Like others, I found Kylo's acting/manniersms/physical features to be a bit strange. I get they're wanting the character to be conflicted and immature, etc., but overall it just didn't work for me. I laughed at his tantrums (especially when the two soliders see him breaking things and walk away); his character seemed more like a joke than anyone intimidating. Ditto for the other commander who gives the full-blown Nazi speech; I just didn't buy it.
-Killing Han was another callback to Obi Wan's death in A New Hope (in a film with numerous intentional parallels) and it just didn't feel earned to me. You know it's going to happen once he walks out onto the catwalk, but I don't know. I needed something more from either character, or some idea why Kylo hates his father, doing good, etc.
-I love John Williams, but definitely felt the film was missing some of its unique identiy or new musical themes to work with.
Ultimately, it felt like A New Hope for a new generation, minus the character, gravitas, and unique qualities that made the original work IMO. It had good qualities, but unfortunately to me it came off as a streamlined retread of the original versus forging its own path, which the prequels did, albeit not successfully.
Brah, she looks damn good right now compared to how she looked just a few years ago...
Taking the "if you kill him you will become him" too seriously with Jabba there.
Shanks D Zoro
Banned
Same.
While I always knew the EU was never canon, I have spent hundreds of hours reading and following it.
I really enjoyed the film, but it could have been so much more original and fun as the EU should was possible, well at least to me anyway.
I'm mystified as to why there was a need for him to be a goofy looking cartoon character when all he is is a guy with grey skin and scars and stuff. Could so easily be done with makeup.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yes. Much like the Man of Steel soundtrack, they make you wait until the finale for it.
edit: to clarify, I'm talking about the new theme that was used in the Rey spot during Shondaland.
The trailer music for the official trailer was never John Williams scored.
Which one? The one from the 60 second spot is part of the last track.
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The one from the actual trailers? Don't think so.
StormyTheRabbit
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Could also be a front. Might not look like that at all.
For new page:
Because its blue? And Luke lost it on bespin?...
The only lightsaber he built that was his is in ROTJ and Green. The blue one was actually Vader's first.
soundscream
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It's a commen technique for special forces soldiers when shot or injured. You cause yourself pain in an unaffected area to distract your mind from your injury. Since Adam was in the Marines he probably heard of it, so he brought to the role.
TheOctodad
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Pretty sure we will find out that Luke woke him up after feeling the activities of Han dying, planets being destroyed, Rey emerging. Kind of a "It's time to do this." moment.
Kylo isn't a sith. He's a emo kid that has some power but can't control it. Most likely Rey was trained earlier but has forgotten/had her memory wiped. She's clearly a good fighter before she has a lightsaber. And Kylo getting hit by Chewie, Finn getting a few shots in, etc. shows that Kylo isn't all that he would like to be.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
It's sadly astonishing, but so hugely significant.
People can look at an event like Obama's election but that has, honestly, a smaller footprint.
This movie is going to be translated into a million languages and watched by generations worldwide. The fact that it holds such a universal message while putting forward two underrepresented segments of global culture is one of the biggest things to happen this century.
Kathleen Kennedy should be Person of the Year
BronsonLee
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Just came back..
Kinda half disspointed they spiritually reuse episode 4/5/6. Too much mirroring. Is it just me or Harrison Ford is channelling Indie instead of Han? And if Snoke is a Sith then how is possible for him to be a Sith lord due to the rule of two? Palpatine followed the rule throughout the 6 movies and Vader didn't take in any apprentice unless a new media established it which none so far.
+No midichlorians talk bullshit
+FN-B4D455
+Lightsaber battles felt weighted and better instead of the dance battle in the prequels
+Kylo Ren, acting a like confused dark jedi child, throws a tantrum,trying to imitate Vader and wants Luke's Lightsaber because it's originally belongs to Vader which Kylo wants to be.
+Crossguard lightsaber being useful blow my mind. Bloody useful for winning sword locks.
-Fucking terrible looking mercs that Han encountered, they look like campy as fuck.
-Relationship building between Rey and Finn is nearly non existent, there's no reason for Finn to get emotionally attached to Rey enough to go save her. Same goes for Finn and Poe.
-What is the point of Captain Phasma? All she does is walk around, reprimands Finn and gets held of at gunpoint. She's the spiritual Boba Fett.
-Reveal of Kylo Ren is Han's son, I rather they kept the reveal a secrel until the reactor bridge.
-Rey can shoot with accuracy and can go against Kylo, I don't buy the bullshit of Kylo being injured so badly that Finn and Rey can take him on.
I will say the movie is good despite mirroring alot of stuff from the old trilogy.
Kinda half disspointed they spiritually reuse episode 4/5/6. Too much mirroring. Is it just me or Harrison Ford is channelling Indie instead of Han? And if Snoke is a Sith then how is possible for him to be a Sith lord due to the rule of two? Palpatine followed the rule throughout the 6 movies and Vader didn't take in any apprentice unless a new media established it which none so far.
+No midichlorians talk bullshit
+FN-B4D455
+Lightsaber battles felt weighted and better instead of the dance battle in the prequels
+Kylo Ren, acting a like confused dark jedi child, throws a tantrum,trying to imitate Vader and wants Luke's Lightsaber because it's originally belongs to Vader which Kylo wants to be.
+Crossguard lightsaber being useful blow my mind. Bloody useful for winning sword locks.
-Fucking terrible looking mercs that Han encountered, they look like campy as fuck.
-Relationship building between Rey and Finn is nearly non existent, there's no reason for Finn to get emotionally attached to Rey enough to go save her. Same goes for Finn and Poe.
-What is the point of Captain Phasma? All she does is walk around, reprimands Finn and gets held of at gunpoint. She's the spiritual Boba Fett.
-Reveal of Kylo Ren is Han's son, I rather they kept the reveal a secrel until the reactor bridge.
-Rey can shoot with accuracy and can go against Kylo, I don't buy the bullshit of Kylo being injured so badly that Finn and Rey can take him on.
I will say the movie is good despite mirroring alot of stuff from the old trilogy.
GungHo
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Ben was Luke's son's name in the EU. Leia and Han's kids were Jaina and Jacen and Anakin. I don't rememver what happened to ben. Anakin got greased early on. Jaina and Jacen took turns being evil. Jacen went full Sith lord. And then they mercifully flushed the toilet.
That's actually really cool. I assumed he was just losing it and throwing a fit, but I like this explanation more.
Y'know, call me stupid, but it didn't actually hit me till a good deal into the movie that this was THAT lightsaber. The original one. (which has always been the coolest, fuck that green lightsaber)
Really cool during the Flashback scene with Rey they show the Cloud City fight hallway briefly.
they're not sith... how do people not understand this? It was even stated twice in the movie ("a Master Ren" and "Knights of Ren") also training in the dark side != training with a lightsaber. We also know (sadly from the PT), that all saber skills are not equal. Nothing I saw from Kylo Ren pointed to him being some god with a lightsaber.. so Rey using her polearm tactics, and Fenn holding his own were far from unbelievable. Kylo never exuded any sort of great proficiency and there's no default reason to assume he is exceptional with one.
VistraNorrez
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Boba Fett tracked the Millennium Falcon allowing he Empire to capture Han, Leia and the rest. Which allowed Vader to lure Luke to Bespin. He also escaped from the good guys with Han. His role was pivotal to the film and he was a serious threat. Phasma was nothing here. No matter her role in the next film. She was a chump here. But I'm guessing they are going to reverse the Boba Fett arc.
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