Thank you for linking that. I literally just sat here, listening to the full 9 minutes, and found myself quoting lines at the exact music cues. This definitely felt like a piece of the puzzle missing. Maybe its something George himself pioneered? I dunno.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Thank you for linking that. I literally just sat here, listening to the full 9 minutes, and found myself quoting lines at the exact music cues. This definitely felt like a piece of the puzzle missing. Maybe its something George himself pioneered? I dunno.
Combat bonds people very quickly ... Then there is the whole bit about Finn saving Poe's BFF BB-8, so I bought it.
Plus, when Finn said he was just doing the right thing, and Poe called him on his bullshit and Finn fessed up immediately, that is trust building in a nutshell.
A deranged, severely wounded Kylo took about 30 seconds to drop Finn and he was winning against Rey until she unlocked the Big Leagues perk and bitchslapped him.
The point was to show that Kylo is not Darth Vader-level, he's not anywhere close. He's not much more than a cosplayer.
Moff
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maybe he got mad in all those years of solitude
anyway, the super mind trick is needed if she is his daughter, too. han, leia and ben would have talked to her very differently if she was their niece/cousin.
maybe luke could cloak her, similiar to how palpatine cloaked himself. people who see her see something different.
but maybe that would just be a bit dumb.
Sectorseven
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In for a penny, in for a pound.
Liquidsnake
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Maybe she was immaculately conceived.
I thought he looked upset due to Han...
Slept on it.
Few more thoughts
- The first act is so fucking good, Rey's life on Jakku, the escape from the base, everything
- The film owes a huge debt to Adam Driver's performance imo, some of the lines given to him could so easily have slipped into Anakin prequel territory like "TRAIITOOOOOR" for example
- I liked that Han and Leia weren't together anymore, still on good terms but not together. Felt more appropriate.
- I think they really squandered the Luke reveal scene, wasn't good enough and that was the money shot for me prior to seeing the film
- Listening to the soundtrack, Rey's Theme, The Scavanger and Torn Apart are fantastic. I dig Snoke's theme too actually.
Still think it's a great film and stand by my 8/10 score.
Few more thoughts
- The first act is so fucking good, Rey's life on Jakku, the escape from the base, everything
- The film owes a huge debt to Adam Driver's performance imo, some of the lines given to him could so easily have slipped into Anakin prequel territory like "TRAIITOOOOOR" for example
- I liked that Han and Leia weren't together anymore, still on good terms but not together. Felt more appropriate.
- I think they really squandered the Luke reveal scene, wasn't good enough and that was the money shot for me prior to seeing the film
- Listening to the soundtrack, Rey's Theme, The Scavanger and Torn Apart are fantastic. I dig Snoke's theme too actually.
Still think it's a great film and stand by my 8/10 score.
I think Luke wasn't above bringing up the Dark Side in his teachings due to his own dalliances with it and his father being taken that direction. Ren might've started down that path as it's more enticing. Also, he could've been looking for a father figure in his grandfather instead of his father, who was a failure to him. Doesn't explain why he thought Vader was solely Dark Side, though. Being taught by Luke, he'd have heard that Vader turned back at the end. Maybe he just assumed Luke was lying to them?
Anton Sugar
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I was pretty underwhelmed by most of the aerial battles, TBH. Thought JJ would do something more interesting there.
Operations
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Bummer, I wanted that one. Any legal way to procure it?
Moff
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I think he was just about to take a leak and was interrupted
I like that they didn't do this. Give the audience some respect and do something not like the OT. Han clearly wasn't Obi-Wan and didn't feel compelled to do the whole "certain point of view" stuff.
Thought it was great that Han mentioned something about his luck while on the Starkiller. Was a direct callback to Obi-Wan saying he didn't believe in luck.
Yeah. TBH Rey's character really didn't grab me... it's hard to explain but I'm not feeling the whole chosen one storyline again.
I was more interested in the non-Force users who were all really well done except Phasma.
sooperkool
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I agree, I think the line is going to be, "Rey, I am NOT your father"
Rey/Ren == Luke/Leia
And as for Capt. Phasma.... Why don't people understand that the role of Captain Phasma in this movie was to suffer humiliation so that she could be an antagonist in future films. There was never going to be a combat scene with her. Rey will have to deal with Kylo Ren and Fin will be faced with Phasma.
In the Making of the Empire Strikes Back, there's a piece of the storyboard where it says Luke glimpses his lightsaber falling into Bespin. Then the novel just said it was a piece of debris, it could go either way. I always thought it was supposed to be his hand/lightsaber to really drive in the fear and sense of hopelessness of that scene.
OricWindstar
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Yeah, Rey's Theme is up there with the great themes of Star Wars.
No, not that crap again. Death of midichlorines and no new Jesus VAder were the best things in this film.
That'd explain the bizarre power creep. Annakin was born from the Force and was one of the most powerful Jedi alive with the greatest potential ever. It explains why the Skywalkers are so strong in the Force.
MisterHero
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IXI FalcoN
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So because I wasn't looking for a near shot for shot remake of ANH, I'm suddenly a prequel lover? LOL, whatever.
I'll be more blunt. I enjoyed the film. It's superior to the prequels and feels closer to the OT. But I would have preferred a little more balance between nostalgia and doing its own thing.
Why ?
And you just know there's gonna be reversals, so Kylo is gonna gain in power in the next movie.
If the stars align and Trevorrow won't fook it up, they could have something magical here. Two super talented force users who start as relative newbies gaining power gradually, ending in an absolutely insane duel that would be both epic in scope and dramatically interesting due to all the history between the characters. If the stars align.
and no ridiculous over the top choreography with all the gymnastics and so on. a welcome change.
UberTag
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I think only the "mascot" Star Wars characters are going to make the transition here. Don't have high hopes for Leia or Luke in terms of long-term survivability. I think there's a far greater chance of Kylo Ren getting converted to the light side at the end of the saga than those two making it out alive.
Frankly, I was upset they didn't have Chewie go kamikaze and get the hero edit after Han got skewered. Having him go out with Solo just "feels right". Not sure I'll be able to buy him as Rey's new little buddy although I understand the rationale for keeping him around for merchandise reasons.
Sorcerer
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Maybe her Midichlorian count was off the charts!!! Higher than Anakins!!!
Kenobi in the old Eu (Kids Books) was separated from his parents and literally almost fails to become a Jedi. Gets close to helping farmers with weather patterns or something for a living.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Not just any kid, his nephew, grandson of Vader, and incredibly powerful with the force. Luke struggled with the darkside, controlling his anger, him failing to help Ben through that side of himself destroyed his self-worth.
Dreams-Visions
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I know those feels.
and Idunno either. Also, the proper version of that track is 12:15 and called "The Last Battle". I don't know why I can't find it on Youtube. Only that sort of weird/altered version exists on youtube now. I should upload the proper version from my Star Wars Anthology CD set from the 90s.
honestly, I think he did it himself.. Luke failed. Period. He discovered/was seduced by the dark side, learned that his grandfather was a great sith lord, and wanted to follow in his GRANDFATHER'S, not his uncle's, footsteps. He wanted power, plain and simple. Sadly not all eggs in a basket are necessarily good.
Leia even said it in the movie "He has too much Vader in him."
I could not disagree more.
By that point in the film it is firmly established that she is not only gaining her force power awareness but is also prolific in melee combat. Her ability to go toe to toe with him is foreshadowed in the interrogation scene.
Finn has training as well.
Kylo is not some highly experienced Sith master. He's young and the film goes out of it's way to show that he is not fully trained and makes mistakes. At this point, most of the people he has fought are either innocent villagers or control panels. It wasn't an even fight anyway. He was kicking there asses until some key moments. Most of the Finn fight he was just toying with him.
It's all there in the movie. Not sure why one would choose to ignore it. There is nothing unbelievable about that fight or contradictory to prior events in the series.
This needs to be canon.
Sectorseven
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They could have used Dexter Jettster!
Not Spaceghost
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If you rewatch the scene, Luke falls into an opening for a was a tube that then has a hatch that drops him into the sky.
The saber could have ended up anywhere in the cloud city maintenance area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCgRfqY8dzw while it's a joke video it does give you a good idea of the layout.
I thought the same. During his big speech he looked like a pimple ready to pop and the tone of his voice was so off what that scene needed.
Same here, actually. And let me be clear, there's no hate, no animosity for Rey's character. I love that she's British, that she looked up to Solo for being a smuggler, think's the Falcon is a hunk of junk, can speak Wookie and Robot-ese. But like, I'm not sure if she's the one who I'll latch on to.
Which is weird, because originally, Luke was my fav from the Original Triology, but I didn't care too much for Han. He had to grow on me. Maybe Rey will do the same.
They were basically the next generation of Scarlett O'Hara and Rhett Butler. Each other's soul mates but too similar/different and been through too much to stay together no matter how much they loved each other. I also can't really see Leia sacrificing her love for the Republic and Han sacrificing his scoundrel ways and thirst for adventure.
Anton Sugar
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I think it's too early to call it a "chosen one" storyline--was there any talk about someone who would bring balance or anything like that?
If Rey isn't a Skywalker, I feel the arc there will be more "I didn't know there were any others out there" versus "you're the chosen one."
However, now that I think about her, Rey being some super-Force sensitive "chosen one" would be one of the only realistic ways to justify how she came up to speed so quickly and could beat/match Kylo. Then again, that theory about being trained and then Jedi mind-wiped works, too.
entremet
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I don't think that Virgin Mary trope will be used again. It was terrible back then, it would be horrific again.
KINGofCRA5H
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This is my biggest issue. mfw when they just casually mentioned Han is Kylo's father
I am surprised I didn't hear any "wtf's?" or "What!?" from people in the theater.
ChaosZeroX
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I agree. I liked Rey, but I enjoyed Finn and Poe a ton more. I hope Finn becomes a Jedi though
Cool. Just watched it. Super fun. Exactly what the prequels should have been. Super straightforward space opera/epics with an easy to follow plot.
Hit all the right notes, wasn't overly complicated, and did what it was supposed to do: Be star wars.
Perfect.
Yeah ok, i guess it's not perfect. Saving the reveal for the bridge scene would have felt too forced, though. You get the reveal AND his death? They needed to be spaced apart for sure, just not sure what the best way would have been for the reveal.
Hit all the right notes, wasn't overly complicated, and did what it was supposed to do: Be star wars.
Perfect.
Yeah ok, i guess it's not perfect. Saving the reveal for the bridge scene would have felt too forced, though. You get the reveal AND his death? They needed to be spaced apart for sure, just not sure what the best way would have been for the reveal.
StormyTheRabbit
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Think Williams scored that specifically for that trailer.
This is my biggest issue. mfw when they just casually mentioned Han is Kylo's father
I am surprised I didn't hear any "wtf's?" or "What!?" from people in the theater.
There were gasps from my audience. I'm glad they didn't build it up into being some huge reveal. I like how they just mic dropped it outta no where and kept going.
keltickennedy
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Abrams puts him in a lot of stuff. I think they are buds.
Darth Karja
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Nothing wrong with that. I wore pajama pants last night.
Couldn't have put it any better really.
Plus they had the added trauma of their son falling to the dark side.
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