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[borghe]

Same here, actually. And let me be clear, there's no hate, no animosity for Rey's character. I love that she's British, that she looked up to Solo for being a smuggler, think's the Falcon is a hunk of junk, can speak Wookie and Robot-ese. But like, I'm not sure if she's the one who I'll latch on to.

Which is weird, because originally, Luke was my fav from the Original Triology, but I didn't care too much for Han. He had to grow on me. Maybe Rey will do the same.

couldn't disagree more. I was utterly enthralled by her, and it really had very little to do with Riddley.

and while it could seem like they are going with the chosen one theme again (which I always hated)... there's also enough ambiguity there to shoot it down. we know Rey's powerful, and that's it. We are merely putting OUR knowledge of the saga there to fill in the rest. Hopefully they go someplace else with it.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

I think the idea that Ben found out Vader was his grandfather from Snoke rather than his family may hold some weight. It doesn't seem like he knew about Vader's redemption. Which would make sense if his parents and Luke didn't want to tell him about Vader until he had mastered his own darkness.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I agree. I liked Rey, but I enjoyed Finn and Poe a ton more. I hope Finn becomes a Jedi though

I'd actually prefer he didn't. I think it's important that films like these (essential superhero films) have normal people to balance things out and provide perspective for just how powerful the force users are. Finn provides something of a benchmark that shows just how powerful Rey will become. I just hope he becomes more confident and competent within his own lane.

 

[chubigans]

So was it Courescant that was destroyed? I hope not

 

[donny2112]

I think there's a far greater chance of Kylo Ren getting converted to the light side at the end of the saga than those two making it out alive.

Yeah, the redemption of Kylo Ren seems a much more likely scenario, especially considering he's the new Vader in this trilogy.

So was it Courescant that was destroyed? I hope not

Pretty sure it was Coruscant, yes. Old Republic was obliterated by a random weapon from what seems like basically a terrorist group, at this point. "First Order" needs a lot more fleshing out in subsequent films.

 

[shoplifter]

They could have just referred to him as Ben and acted like he was dead. Sort of like how Obi-Wan tells Luke his father was murdered by Vader.

I guess that would be fine...from a certain point of view.

 

[timewyrm]

Odds on Luke telling Rey in VIII "Do or do not, there is no try"

 

[ColdPizza]

BTW, JJ said Conan's "jub jub" was in the movie, but I didn't catch it. Was it there?

Bump. I also want to know.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

So was it Courescant that was destroyed? I hope not

it was not.

 

[Sephzilla]

I thought it was a little clumsy how they revealed Kylo's background. "The droid is in the hands of Han Solo, your father!"

And then like 10 minutes later you have Ren addressing the Vader mask saying something like "Help me to find strength, grandfather!" That feels really gratuitous. Hey, all of you stupid people in the audience, in case you didn't realize what it meant when we revealed that Kylo is Han's son, now we have to explicitly tell you he's related to Vader too.

I didn't think it was that clumsy. In those two scenes we find out that

A) Kylo Ren is related to Han Solo
B) Kylo Ren is related to Anakin Skywalker

and because of those two things

C) We learn that Kylo Ren is related to Luke Skywalker
D) This means that his mother has to be Princess Leia

I thought it was a decent way of spelling out Kylo's lineage

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

I'd actually prefer he didn't. I think it's important that films like these (essential superhero films) have normal people to balance things out and provide perspective for just how powerful the force users are. Finn provides something of a benchmark that shows just how powerful Rey will become. I just hope he becomes more confident and competent within his own lane.

But there's already Poe for that.

 

[RyanW]

So was it Courescant that was destroyed? I hope not

Nope, which makes me ask what happened to Coruscant for it to not be used again

 

[Deleted member 1159]

I thought it was a little clumsy how they revealed Kylo's background. "The droid is in the hands of Han Solo, your father!"

And then like 10 minutes later you have Ren addressing the Vader mask saying something like "Help me to find strength, grandfather!" That feels really gratuitous. Hey, all of you stupid people in the audience, in case you didn't realize what it meant when we revealed that Kylo is Han's son, now we have to explicitly tell you he's related to Vader too.

Yes and no...it makes sense for Snoke to be like "hey, you gonna be cool with killing your dad if you need to?" ...so that conversation isn't totally hamfisted. But it doesn't necessarily mean he's Leia's son too. I mean, it's obviously the case, but it's not confirmed until he calls Vader gramps.

 

[The Boat]

How do you think Ben got flipped?

I think he might genuinely believe the First Order is a better fit to rule the galaxy than the New Republic.
The fact that he is actively resisting the light side, which is the opposite of what usually happens, that he asks Vader to show him the power of the Dark Side and the he tells Han he knows what needs to be done but needs his help to do it all lead me to believe that.

Of course, he could have simply been seduced by the power of the Dark Side first and then developed these thoughts that ruling by force (pun intended) is the best way. Force sensitives are super sensitive to being corrupted, especially the strong ones.

 

[entremet]

So was it Courescant that was destroyed? I hope not

Nope. Another planet.

 

[The Flash]

it was not.

Do we know what system it was?

 

[Meowster]

Odds on Luke telling Rey in VIII "Do or do not, there is no try"

That would be soooooo cheesy

Spoiler

but the geek in me would flip the fuck out and love it

 

[j-wood]

Man. I'm still on a star wars high, this was so fucking good.

How incredible will it be if episode 8 opens with a flashback, and we see Luke training the kids, then we see what happens to kylo and his turn/slaughter.

Then we flash forward to the Luke/Rey scene and that's where we pick up. God I need it now. NOW.

 

[Snaku]

I really really hope they do something, anything, with Phasma in VIII.

Can't wait to see it a fourth time, only three hours to go.

 

[GPsych]

So was it Courescant that was destroyed? I hope not

No, they called it "Hosnian Prime" which I assume is the new capitol. When someone earlier in the thread said they saw lakes on it I hoped it was going to be Naboo.

 

[KadeYuy]

Biggest issues I had with the film were the fast pace (needed more scenes to explain what the republic, resistance, and first order are...)
And the quips! Even 3P0 had a "princesses" quip...

 

[140.85]

I am surprised I didn't hear any "wtf's?" or "What!?" from people in the theater.

Because it wasn't handled in the way you're characterizing it. It wasn't just blurted out awkwardly and nonchalantly.

 

[FeD.nL]

Nope, which makes me ask what happened to Coruscant for it to not be used again

Need to keep references to the PT at a minimum.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Nope, which makes me ask what happened to Coruscant for it to not be used again

The visual guide book for the film says that the Republic capital rotates between the core world's (of which the Hosnian System was was a part) each election cycle so no one feels isolated from the government.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

But there's already Poe for that.

Nah. Poe is badass. Series needs a guy that feels like a regular guy just trying his fuckin best that the audience can relate to; not an OP guy.

 

[LegendofLex]

The more I think about how the "Kylo is Han's son" reveal was presented (not at the climax of the film), the more I like it.

I'm glad this film isn't relying on "shocking twist reveals" to drive people's emotions and instead letting the suspense ride on what decisions the characters make at critical moments.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Yeah. TBH Rey's character really didn't grab me... it's hard to explain but I'm not feeling the whole chosen one storyline again.

I was more interested in the non-Force users who were all really well done except Phasma.

This. I thought Rey was a super weak character for obvious reasons, we know nothing about her. I've said it again and again, screw your film trilogy you have to at least make your first movie stand on its own without any prior or future knowledge and I felt TFA failed at that. It's hard for me to feel anything for Rey when we know absolutely zilch about her including her own personal motivations. I just don't understand how people can keep screwing up something as simple as Star Wars and a lead protagonist the audience can empathize with.

Luke Skywalker works because he isn't some big mystery, we spend most of the early film with him and understand everything about his dreams and motivations. With Rey I learned that she lives on Tattoine (I mean Jakku) and she's waiting for someone...

Finn and Han Solo basically had to carry the whole movie since her character was a dud to me. I honestly feel like the film should have just focused way more on Finn if they were hell bent on the mystery path for Rey, turn her into a secondary character and make Finn the lead.

 

[petethepanda]

Now that it's had a bit of time to sink in, I think my reaction to this was largely the same as Star Trek Into Darkness, specifically with the way that movie was effectively a remake of Wrath of Khan. I've seen A New Hope a thousand times, I kind of wanted to see something new. (Aside from that frustration, this was still way better than STID.)

But man, that first half hour. Pretty much everything up until the cantina had me 10000% on board.

BB-8 endeared himself to me immediately with that slight pause watching Poe run away before leaving himself.

 

[gutter_trash]

I think the idea that Ben found out Vader was his grandfather from Snoke rather than his family may hold some weight. It doesn't seem like he knew about Vader's redemption. Which would make sense if his parents and Luke didn't want to tell him about Vader until he had mastered his own darkness.

pretty much, Luke would have probably only refereed to his father as Anakin without mentioning his Vader phase.

 

[Alcander]

Question: were there any Y wings? If not, why? Best ship

 

[timewyrm]

Man. I'm still on a star wars high, this was so fucking good.

How incredible will it be if episode 8 opens with a flashback, and we see Luke training the kids, then we see what happens to kylo and his turn/slaughter.

Then we flash forward to the Luke/Rey scene and that's where we pick up. God I need it now. NOW.

I was thinking that last night; imagine if VIII was paced like the Godfather 2 (flashbacks and present time).

 

[Cybit]

I think they could have added one more fun moment of fan service in the Han / Kylo scene.

Han goes up to Kylo, they do their scene, and right as Kylo is about to stab Han, Han's expression changes (as he realizes what is about to happen), he pulls out his blaster and shoots Kylo in the gut first before then getting ran through and falling off the bridge. They already establish that Kylo's a super tough SOB (see; bowcaster shot he takes from Chewie, multiple lightsaber strikes) - would have been a fun "Han shot first" fanservice moment.

 

[Anton Sugar]

I really really hope they do something, anything, with Phasma in VIII.

Can't wait to see it a fourth time, only three hours to go.

I'm sure Phasma hunting Finn and/or Rey will be a primary storyline in Ep 8.

 

[Inferno313]

This is my biggest issue. mfw when they just casually mentioned Han is Kylo's father

I am surprised I didn't hear any "wtf's?" or "What!?" from people in the theater.

It wasn't really casual at all though...

Snoke: "Something, something... Your father (dramatic pause for audience anticipation), Han Solo, (another dramatic pause for audience reactions.)"

 

[Briarios]

I thought it was a little clumsy how they revealed Kylo's background. "The droid is in the hands of Han Solo, your father!"

And then like 10 minutes later you have Ren addressing the Vader mask saying something like "Help me to find strength, grandfather!" That feels really gratuitous. Hey, all of you stupid people in the audience, in case you didn't realize what it meant when we revealed that Kylo is Han's son, now we have to explicitly tell you he's related to Vader too.

It's clumsy, but it serves a purpose -- it clearly means its Han's son with Leia, not someone else ... And makes it clear he is aware of his lineage. What if the mistake that was made was that Han and Leia hid that Vader was his grandfather? Remember, it wasn't common knowledge that Leia was Vader's daughter. Snoke approaches him with the knowledge his family is lying to him and that they're trying to keep a powerful legacy from him, and bam -- now you have motivation.

 

[DarkKyo]

I didn't think it was that clumsy. In those two scenes we find out that

A) Kylo Ren is related to Han Solo
B) Kylo Ren is related to Anakin Skywalker

and because of those two things

C) We learn that Kylo Ren is related to Luke Skywalker
D) This means that his mother has to be Princess Leia

I thought it was a decent way of spelling out Kylo's lineage

Lol until it snapped for me I considered another option, that the movie was dropping the bomb that Han is actually Luke's brother. Then I thought about it for a minute and went "oh, right.."

 

[Liquidsnake]

pretty much, Luke would have probably only refereed to his father as Anakin without mentioning his Vader phase.

So Luke could tell him that what he was told is true from a certain point of view.

 

[GPsych]

Now that's Maz Kanata has been revealed as a 1,000+ year old force sensitive who seems to know everything, think we'll see her in Rebels?

 

[The Flash]

The visual guide book for the film says that the Republic capital rotates between the core world's (of which the Hosnian System was was a part) each election cycle so no one feels isolated from the government.

Interesting. Gonna have to add the visual guide book to my list of purchases today.

 

[Jobbs]

Luke Skywalker works because he isn't some big mystery, we spend most of the early film with him and understand everything about his dreams and motivations. With Rey I learned that she lives on Tattoine (I mean Jakku) and she's waiting for someone...

We learned she's Luke's daughter. If you didn't catch that then I don't know what to tell you.

I loved Rey. I loved most the cast, honestly.

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

Question: were there any Y wings? If not, why? Best ship

Post-ROTJ, 25 of the 26 letters in the Star Wars alphabet were removed. There can now only be X-Wings.

 

[tedrotheredro]

Felt like the planets blowing up had no weight to it. No one really seemed to care.

 

[Sectorseven]

Odds on Luke telling Rey in VIII "Do or do not, there is no try"

That answers the question about Luke's allegiance. Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

 

[jett]

Because its blue? And he lost it on bespin?...

The only lightsaber he built that was his was in ROTJ. The blue one was actually Vader's first.

I mean, in the movies, how did anyone managed to find and get the saber?

 

[Stabby McSter]

We learned she's Luke's daughter. If you didn't catch that then I don't know what to tell you.

I loved Rey. I loved most the cast, honestly.

what

when did we learn that

 

[sooperkool]

So was it Courescant that was destroyed? I hope not

Yeah, the redemption of Kylo Ren seems a much more likely scenario, especially considering he's the new Vader in this trilogy.



Pretty sure it was Coruscant, yes. Old Republic was obliterated by a random weapon from what seems like basically a terrorist group, at this point. "First Order" needs a lot more fleshing out in subsequent films.

You guys don't pay attention, It was not Coruscant. it was the Hosnian System.

 

[Symphonic]

I wish Hux was a little more composed like Veers and Piett. Little too angsty for my taste.

I loved it. Really channeled Hitler with the calm and collective but works himself into an emotional rage.

 

[foxtrot3d]

We learned she's Luke's daughter. If you didn't catch that then I don't know what to tell you.

I loved Rey. I loved most the cast, honestly.

Please, stop saying that as if it is fact we don't know that. Second, that still tells us nothing even if it is true. She's still a giant mystery.

 

[SlimySnake]

I think they could have added one more fun moment of fan service in the Han / Kylo scene.

Han goes up to Kylo, they do their scene, and right as Kylo is about to stab Han, Han's expression changes (as he realizes what is about to happen), he pulls out his blaster and shoots Kylo in the gut first before then getting ran through and falling off the bridge. They already establish that Kylo's a super tough SOB (see; bowcaster shot he takes from Chewie, multiple lightsaber strikes) - would have been a fun "Han shot first" fanservice moment.

Han wont shoot his own son. It would betray his character.

 

[donny2112]

No, they called it "Hosnian Prime" which I assume is the new capitol. When someone earlier in the thread said they saw lakes on it I hoped it was going to be Naboo.

The weapon destroyed five planets. One looked like a city planet, which would seem to be Coruscant. Is there an official FAQ about this? It's not mentioned in the film explicitly either way.