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[Megalosaro]

How is he better than PT Anakin ? I keep seeing this and I struggle to see how, the character would be a good fit for Anakin.

I just want to understand.

OT Anakin is extremely controlled. Occasionally his emotions slip through but for the most part there is a calmness.

Kylo Ren is a lot like that, except less controlled. He still has that youthful passion.

PT anakin is nothing like Vader. He is a loose cannon. He's whiney, he is all over the place and lacks any sort of discipline

 

[Mr. RHC]

The Republic when reestablished restores itself to the Pre-Palpatine days where there was no official Republic Military. System defense was left to the individual systems while there was a small token Police force style fleet.

The New Republic has no desire to go to war again so Leia and elements within the Republic form the resistance. Destroying the Republic was viewed as the way to cut off the resistance's secret funding etc.

The State of the Galaxy was literally the SWTOR MMO. Republic and Empire at "peace" while elements on both sides do skirmishes unofficially and plot against each other.

So that's how it is, thanks.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I wonder if Luke had some lines before or if he was brought to the table read just for shits and giggles?

He basically narrated the read-through: Did all the stage directions/descriptive passages/scene settings.

 

[Disheveled_Zen]

Luke wouldn't have had a daughter since he was a jedi. Unless he wanted to break the rules of the Jedi Order. He started an academy and searched for the first temple so it's pretty clear he wouldn't have taken a spouse if so that would rewrite the PT.

If you count the Old Republic stuff as inspiration, then Jedi are allowed to have kids during war times / mass deaths to repopulate their ranks.

 

[JB1981]

I didn't feel bad until I saw Chewie's reaction

Yep

 

[Ganzlinger]

The New Order isn't as strong or wealthy as the Empire was.

To build that star fueled planet-size cannon they must have tons of money and the best engineers in the galaxy.

 

[ampere]

Sizing up her midichlorian count, obviously.

No

plz retcon out midiclorians. So dumb -_-

 

[LegendofLex]

PT anakin is nothing like Vader. He is a loose cannon. He's whiney, he is all over the place and lacks any sort of discipline

Did you not watch the same OT that I did?

Vader throws temper tantrums, kills people on a whim, and has to be told to be a good little lapdog by both Tarkin and Palpatine.

He doesn't wax about his deeper feelings, but that's because by the time he's reached this point he's so used to being impulsive and keeping his depression inside. The couple times he does drop hints about his feelings, it's pathetic. "It is too late for me, son." "I must obey my master."

 

[ZeroMaverick]

To build that star fueled planet-size cannon they must have tons of money and the best engineers in the galaxy.

Spent it all on shiny armor for Phasma

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I wonder if Luke had some lines before or if he was brought to the table read just for shits and giggles?

There's no way on gods green Earth they didn't shoot the rest of that scene on the day, dude.

 

[DownGrader]

The first Death Star had a huge mission just to get the plans and was only taken down by a million to one shot by Luke Skywalker, the only guy in the rebellion that could possibly have pulled it off.

The second Death Star had a shield that required deactivating and needed almost the entire rebel fleet to launch an attack on it.

Star Killer base though went down like an absolute bitch.

I think the sense of Star Killer's huge defense would be way better if they showed us how hard it was to land on the planet directly from hyperspace. (But how?) But even without it, Star Killer's defence was way stronger than the one of Death Stars.

 

[Ophelion]

Sizing up her midichlorian count, obviously.

Obligatory "It's over 9000" joke.

 

[Tookay]

Star Killer base....

Arrive.

Blow it up.

Leave.

It was a lot better in the leaked versions of the call sheets.

There was an aspect to the battle that took place in space involving capital ships and more losses on both sides, to make it seem like a hard won victory.

For some reason, they cut that out and the resistance just annihilated everyone.

 

[narton]

We agree this isn't a coincidence right?

This whole movie was literally "like poetry"

 

[Randdalf]

Rey's Theme is my favourite from the soundtrack so far.

 

[Sephzilla]

Did you not watch the same OT that I did?

Vader throws temper tantrums, kills people on a whim, and has to be told to be a good little lapdog by both Tarkin and Palpatine.

Temper tantrums =/= having a low tolerance for bullshit, at least in my opinion.

Vader generally just got pissed off at bullshit he felt he shouldn't have to tolerate (being lied to by Rebels, or having captains/generals that fucked up orders).

 

[cubicle47b]

I liked it, but didn't love it. It's somewhere between the prequel trilogy and the original trilogy for me right now (much closer to the OT, though). Maybe this will change after subsequent viewings. The new cast members were good. It was more the similarity to ANH, the frantic pace, and how the movie made the galaxy feel small that got to me.

 

[PuppetMaster]

Did you not watch the same OT that I did?

Vader throws temper tantrums, kills people on a whim, and has to be told to be a good little lapdog by both Tarkin and Palpatine.

Yes this is the correct description of OT Vader.

People who think otherwise really need to go back and rewatch the originals.

 

[Anton Sugar]

It was a great Hamill performance those few seconds. You could see tears in his eyes. The gears were running in his head.

I loved it. Hamill looked boss as fuck.

Seriously frustrated we have another two years to wait. The movie did a great job at opening a bunch of questions that I want answers to NOW...plus I really want to see Hamill's performance.

He basically narrated the read-through: Did all the stage directions/descriptive passages/scene settings.

lol

For real? I have to think you're joking but I'd also love it if Hamill actually was there reading actions and directions.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

the Starbase stuff was weaker than everything else, yeah. It wasn't distracting, but it wasn't cathartic to see it blow up or anything. It kind of just happened in the background while the parts I'm interested in played out in front.

 

[Jobbs]

There is something a little odd about them reaching into the past, into our childhoods, to pull up a long sealed away hero of ours only to kill him in front of us.

 

[blackjaw]

Just left the theater...loved it. It exceeded my expectations and fixed most of what I hated about the prequels. I was sad to see them leave the EU behind but it's kind of cool they took Han/Leia son (and maybe daughter?) and did this story. Stoked for more!

Probably going to go see it again next week.

 

[Inferno313]

I loved it. Hamill looked boss as fuck.

Seriously frustrated we have another two years to wait. The movie did a great job at opening a bunch of questions that I want answers to NOW...plus I really want to see Hamill's performance.

Only a year and a half actually, and we get Rouge One before then. It's a good time for Star Wars.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

It was a lot better in the leaked versions of the call sheets.

There was an aspect to the battle that took place in space involving capital ships and more losses on both sides, to make it seem like a hard won victory.

For some reason, they cut that out and the resistance just annihilated everyone.

Yeah, there was an entire secondary space battle going on overhead with multiple capital ships. Hux had a weapon that he fired off that fucking destroyed EVERYTHING in the upper atmosphere, leaving only Black Squadron (which was below the hard deck, basically - I think I'm using Top Gun terminology right) left.

There was also a Resistance ship that worked by basically being a giant battering ram in space. You'd just fly it THROUGH other ships and take 'em out.

For real? I have to think you're joking but I'd also love it if Hamill actually was there reading actions and directions.

For real. He basically led the read through. Someone's gotta do all that stuff at table reads. He did it for that one.

 

[Puddington]

JJ is still a hack, but everything that wasn't a rehash of the previous movies was great, all the new leads and that bits from Finn's perspective as a storm trooper.

It's just that there was too much packed into one movie, and too much was setup for the sequels. It will never stand alone as a movie.

What really hurts is that I saw Creed before this. If you're gonna make a sequel that purposely apes the original movie formula, updates it for today's audience, and sets up potential sequels while leaving the audience with a satisfying conclusion; then Creed is the standard to follow, not Episode 7.

Help me Rian Johnson, you're my only hope!

 

[Makoto]

No doubt already mentioned but I still can't get over how obvious they made the confrontation between Ren and Han Solo using that location.

Gee, a showdown with a several mile long drop. I wonder who w/ill come out of this alive, the guy who's been heavily featured in all of the promotion or the guy who's been wanting to have his character offed since Jedi?

 

[Jacksinthe]

Temper tantrums =/= having a low tolerance for bullshit, at least in my opinion.

Vader generally just got pissed off at bullshit he felt he shouldn't have to tolerate (being lied to by Rebels, or having captains/generals that fucked up orders).

I agree. Vader was all too calm and controlled when he did kill people because "you're fucking stupid". It never phases him and he never missed a beat to get back on track.

 

[watershed]

I think a lot of people are recognizing that the whole Starkiller Base battle was just a distraction from the emotional moments and fights between Han and Kylo and Finn and Rey and Kylo. The X-Wing stuff was just visual distraction. That's why the mini-trench run was so meh. That and JJ just isn't the best action director.

 

[LegendofLex]

Temper tantrums =/= having a low tolerance for bullshit, at least in my opinion.

Vader generally just got pissed off at bullshit he felt he shouldn't have to tolerate (being lied to by Rebels, or having captains/generals that fucked up orders).

As did Anakin.

Bullshit shapeshifter bounty hunter not hurrying up to tell him who hired her
Bullshit Tuskens kidnapping and torturing his mom
Bullshit Jedi telling him to suck it up and let go when he's afraid his wife is gonna die
Bullshit Obi-Wan telling him he was bringing misery on himself by trying to become stronger so he could save Padme

It's the same shit, except by the OT he barely has any personality/targets of his anger left to actually kill people in any context except a professional one.

 

[Liquidsnake]

Did I already ask why Kylo turned?

We dont know after this movie right?

 

[thecouncil]

Regarding midichlorians, the force in the OT was already biological. It's why Luke is a great candidate for becoming a Jedi. It's why he tells Leia, "The force is strong in our family" and "You have that power too". Are people mad that a word was put to it?

 

[Blader]

I loved it. Hamill looked boss as fuck.

Seriously frustrated we have another two years to wait. The movie did a great job at opening a bunch of questions that I want answers to NOW...plus I really want to see Hamill's performance.

Only a year and a half!

 

[Branduil]

So now that I'm posting in the right thread, can we all agree that the final shot is horrendous and possibly, most likely, the worst final shot of all 7 Star Wars films simply in terms of cinematography? A spinning helicopter shot? In 2015? In a Star Wars film? It was ridiculously bad to me.

Uh, other than being outside of typical SW conventions, what's wrong with helicopter shots? TFA was probably shot better than all SW films outside of ESB and ANH.

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

Did I already ask why Kylo turned?

We dont know after this movie right?

All the cool emo kids were doing it.

 

[Bog]

Weren't there rumors of

Spoiler

Hayden

getting in shape for episode 8?

If that means we're acting like the bluray ending of ROTJ is canon rather than the original cut, then fuck no.

 

[OmegaFax]

Temper tantrums =/= having a low tolerance for bullshit, at least in my opinion.

Vader generally just got pissed off at bullshit he felt he shouldn't have to tolerate (being lied to by Rebels, or having captains/generals that fucked up orders).

The only time Vader threw a tantrum on the level of Kylo Ren was the infamous "Nooooo" sequence at the end of Revenge of the Sith. OT Vader was a cool, calculated, menacing figure. The only time he kind of, sort of loses his shit was towards the end of Empire's lightsaber battle where he got a bit tired of dicking around with Luke.

 

[Joel Was Right]

I'm not sure if this is explored in the prequels, but I'd love to see the appeal of the Dark Side more. We saw a hint of that with Anakin where we could understand his need to do so out of love. I suppose what I'm saying is that I'd like my villains to be grey rather than cliche, moustache-curling madmen. I would have liked to have seen the moral conflict Ren had about killing his father; why he was "disappointed" in him. What the downsides to the Light? What are the sacrifices needed to be made? Anakin couldn't let Padame die, and so we all can relate and understand, and perhaps even support that path.

I just hope, by the end of it all, we'll be able to draw parallels between Luke and someone like Ren in that e.g. the desire to be loved or protect those they love ultimately led them to pain.

With Han's loving final touch of his son, I'm guessing that this will be a central theme for the franchise; the pursuit of love.

Or we can just settle for pew-pew-pew.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Star Killer base....

Arrive.

Blow it up.

Leave.

I really really hated that. When they launched the weapon I thought 'holy ****, this is going to take 3 movies worth to bring down'.

Instead they plan a mission in 2 mins, instantly arrive at the planet and then it gets taken down by a bunch of random fighters, causing the entire planet to blow up.

They built it up to be Brock Lesnar and then took it down like it was Crash Holly and that really really sucked.

The first Death Star had a huge mission just to get the plans and was only taken down by a million to one shot by Luke Skywalker, the only guy in the rebellion that could possibly have pulled it off.

The second Death Star had a shield that required deactivating and needed almost the entire rebel fleet to launch an attack on it.

Star Killer base though went down like an absolute bitch.

Maybe one day they will learn that the bigger you make your base the harder it is to actually defend

 

[kaiju]

Uh, other than being outside of typical SW conventions, what's wrong with helicopter shots? TFA was probably shot better than all SW films outside of ESB and ANH.

Yeah, saw nothing wrong with the helicopter shot. I do wish Luke would have at least moved to grab the lightsaber or something though.

 

[Shuggananas]

Regarding midichlorians, the force in the OT was already biological. It's why Luke is a great candidate for becoming a Jedi. It's why he tells Leia, "The force is strong in our family" and "You have that power too". Are people mad that a word was put to it?

not the same as "i took a blood test and his force levels are off the charts !!!"
Force control being hereditary is fine

Yeah, saw nothing wrong with the helicopter shot. I do wish Luke would have at least moved to grab the lightsaber or something though.

I was so hoping he'd say something along the lines of "keep it" or "it's yours now"

 

[SolicitorPirate]

While Starkiller base was easily the weakest part in the movie, I feel that was just a tough call that had to be made to focus attention on Rey and Kylo Ren's duel. In my opinion, that was the right call.

On a different note, I'm torn over whether I want Finn to be a Jedi or a normal guy who later learns to beast on people with a lightsaber. Sorta like a good General Grievious. Who doesn't suck.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Counter-points

People in dresses posing for a family photograph. No thanks.

 

[Symphonic]

I'm not sure if this is explored in the prequels, but I'd love to see the appeal of the Dark Side more. We saw a hint of that with Anakin where we could understand his need to do so out of love. I suppose what I'm saying is that I'd like my villains to be grey rather than cliche, moustache-curling madmen. I would have liked to have seen the moral conflict Ren had about killing his father; why he was "disappointed" in him. What the downsides to the Light? What are the sacrifices needed to be made? Anakin couldn't let Padame die, and so we all can relate and understand, and perhaps even support that path.

I just hope, by the end of it all, we'll be able to draw parallels between Luke and someone like Ren in that e.g. the desire to be loved or protect those they love ultimately led them to pain.

Or we can just settle for pew-pew-pew.

Watch The Clone Wars

 

[Sephzilla]

I agree. Vader was all too calm and controlled when he did kill people because "you're fucking stupid". It never phases him and he never missed a beat to get back on track.

The only temper tantrum I feel OT Vader really has is at the very start of A New Hope when he's choking out that one Rebel. In Empire he's choking out generals left and right because he's establishing that he's in control and that he demands perfection. Despite set backs Vader never loses his composure or loses sight of his goal, which is why ESB is so goddamn intimidating and why his turn in ROTJ is so significant.

 

[Ether_Snake]

I really liked the movie. Can't say I liked it more than any of the OG movies, because it can never have the kind of nostalgic feeling those create, but it was way better in every way than the last three movies.

Favorite parts,

Chewie going ham when Han dies.

The fight between Kylo and Rey at the end. It was a really cool fight scene IMO.

R2 coming back at the end was awesome.

I really can't wait to see wait they do with Ep. VIII. Rey seems like an awesome character and I liked Finn and Poe as well. I hope Chewie sticks around through all of the them just to keep a little OG Star Wars in it. I really wanna know more about Snoke(right name?) and see what Luke does in the next one.

To me it's pretty clear Rey has some connection to Luke. Probably his daughter I would guess.

You did good Disney. You didn't mess this up.

The only reason I would think she isn't his daughter (even if throughout I thought she was, him leaving her away from himself in case things go wrong), is that she is specifically left to the junkyard alien dude. I don't think Luke would do that. He would have left her with Leia or someone else, but not in that kind of place, unless it's basically "oh I knew the force would protect you" kind of copout.

 

[thecouncil]

Seriously frustrated we have another two years to wait.

Well, 18 months, I think. May 2017. It just got six months closer for you!

 

[Moff]

I'm not sure if this is explored in the prequels, but I'd love to see the appeal of the Dark Side more. We saw a hint of that with Anakin where we could understand his need to do so out of love. I suppose what I'm saying is that I'd like my villains to be grey rather than cliche, moustache-curling madmen. I would have liked to have seen the moral conflict Ren had about killing his father; why he was "disappointed" in him. What the downsides to the Light? What are the sacrifices needed to be made? Anakin couldn't let Padame die, and so we all can relate and understand, and perhaps even support that path.

I just hope, by the end of it all, we'll be able to draw parallels between Luke and someone like Ren in that e.g. the desire to be loved or protect those they love ultimately led them to pain.

Or we can just settle for pew-pew-pew.

yoda settled that in the OT, the dark side is easier, faster, you get powerful without much effort. it's tempting, but it corrupts you.
you don't really need more than that, certainly not PT anakin who was tricked instead of seduced or tempted with power.

as for grey sith, I think Kylo might explore that more in the ST

 

[A Link to the Past]

This whole movie was literally "like poetry"

That reminds me, someone in my theater said "it's like poetry"

 

[OmegaFax]

Maybe one day they will learn that the bigger you make your base the harder it is to actually defend

or you hire Chrome Troopers that don't lower the base shields with the first blaster that's pointed at them. Just saying, base defense starts at HR.

 

[Shuggananas]

Well, 18 months, I think. May 2017. It just got six months closer for you!

holy fuck does time fly