That's okay, no one in the prequel trilogy compares to my already fanboy driven love for the new cast of this trilogy lol. Sorry Ewan and Ian, love you both.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Anton Sugar
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Enjoyed it even more the second time.
No, he isn't?
brandonh83
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You think she got amnesia or something? Weird. I'm not actually calling you out, it's interesting speculation.
Highly recommend it. I'm only two chapters in but it starts with Leia and it goes into the minds of some of the characters along with adding a lot of small details. I have no idea how it plays out but it definitely expands on the movie.
When I first saw Ren announced and his personality the first thing I thought was "....is Lucasfilm basically saying something about their own fanatics" lol
Exactly. That's why the First Order officer was shaking as he approved him to tell him the bad news.
Having emotions doesn't ruin a villain, it adds to them IMO. People are just mad because they wanted Vader 2.0, but they got something different.
When Kylo is trying to read her mind he says "I see it now, an island in the middle of the ocean" This is before they completed the map. Indicating he was digging into her past. She had been to the island where Luke is before. She was being trained. Possibly Luke took her into hiding to protect her from Ben during his Sith turn. She either doesnt remember because of a force memory wipe or other jedi mind trick induced by Luke to keep her from coming back.
Speculation of course (minus the thing that Kylo says during the interrogation, thats fact) but, this seems very possible to me.
Kylo Ren displayed amazing (and badass) skill as a kinetic force user. The opening scene where he froze Poe and the blaster shot was a good example. It's obvious the Chewy shot did severe damage to him. He was losing blood. Couple that with the idea that he may not be an equally gifted duelist/swordsman, and that Rey was basically experiencing a force adrenaline rush makes the whole thing work.
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And he's with Leia now, so that leaves some room for him to learn more about the force from her.
edit: BTW Did BB8 leave with Rey? I forget.
They showed her being left as a 3-5 year old child. How serious did her training really get?
The adrenaline thing makes me buy it a little bit more. THanks for pointing that out.
brandonh83
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Hmmm nice. I'm watching it again tonight and things like this should be easier to pay attention to.
gutter_trash
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Dusktildawn48
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Id guess early summer
I'm assuming snoke is pretending to be vader and whispering shit in his mind to try and unhinge him or something, considering Kylo asks the helmet to show him the power of the dark side again.
Also the way he says it, "Show me the power of the dark side, that I might finish what you started" is a great line, really makes it sound like he worships vader almost religously, considering using "that I might/may" is usually something you'd here in the bible than every day conversation.
Captain Phasma disappointed me. She really is the boba fett of episode 7, cool armour but does fuck all.
Also the way he says it, "Show me the power of the dark side, that I might finish what you started" is a great line, really makes it sound like he worships vader almost religously, considering using "that I might/may" is usually something you'd here in the bible than every day conversation.
Captain Phasma disappointed me. She really is the boba fett of episode 7, cool armour but does fuck all.
Agent Unknown
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I think this is a huge overreaction. Finn's comedy to me didn't seem like a negative black comedy stereotype at all. Whenever he was cracking a joke it was usually because he was trying to overcompensate for what a noob he was. Finn totally reminds me of a really sheltered guy I knew growing up who would get really nervous, over excited and hyper when he was in social situations trying to impress people way too hard. I never once got a stereotypical, irritating, and annoying "Kevin Hart sidekick" vibe from Finn (I absolutely cannot stand Kevin Hart btw). And yeah he had heart. He was one of the bravest characters in the movie, there wasn't a single fight he ran away from (he didn't even flinch deciding to take on Ren, someone who could have killed him easily if Ren hadn't decided to go easy for a bit and simply duel with him). He had a powerful personal story too (abandoning the First Order because he refused to kill civilians). He had great chemistry with all the characters and all the main characters loved him. Sorry, I don't see the negative "black comedy guy stereotype" at all. Finn was just awkward but that doesn't mean he wasn't awesome.
mhhh I thought she had a vision of the island earlier and he saw that..or maybe she spend her first years there maybe with 2-3 years. I mean the young Rey must have been what.. 6-8 years old when she was left on Jakku..?
for know I believe she uses her lightsaber like she uses her staff, at least a little bit. oh well..let's wait and see.
I really hope they don't go this route.
Devil's advocate: the island planet is also supposed to be the first Jedi Temple, no? which is why Luke ended up there in the first place. so maybe that's just an indication of her strong lineage in the force
Ghostmaster
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It could also be just a vision of the future and not actual past memories.
I thought it was just R2 with Rey along with Chewey.
People are overlooking the fact that despite not being trained (that we know of or that she remembers), Rey managed to fend off a mental attack by Kylo Ren and managed to overpower Kylo's pull on Luke's lightsaber. If the Force can, as Obi-Wan put it, "partially guide your actions but also obey your commands", I don't see the issue with the notion that she was able to tap into it to fend off a badly wounded Kylo Ren. Atleast until at the end where she further tapped into her rage to eventually overpower him. She's clearly more powerful than he is even without training.
Ah, so this gonna be that kind of thread now.
For what it's worth, Poe was in this movie a lot more than what I thought. Just judging from the marketing and trailers (not that I'm looking for Latino/Central American representation or anything).
That said, I'm so glad I was able to keep spoilers at bay for this. Movie was a blast, and while I echo the soundtrack complaints, it was still great on its own, despite not creating any new themes. Story is a retread of ANH, but that's totally fine, as of rewatch the OT a few days ago I really appreciate ANH a lot more before seeing this. Also, the way they shot the finale between Rey and Luke was kinda odd, as a still shot with the two at each side would've been a bit better, though I appreciate what they were going for.
I gotta say, as much as I was happy to see the old gang, I'm more excited to follow the new three characters as I really enjoyed their banter and their personalities in general. Kylo Ren was pretty cool, and even though a guy in the theater laughed at his reveal (I also smirked as he struck me as an 80s rock band reject) his relationship to the heroes is going to be pretty interesting as he's pretty connected with the original band. Also wondering where Rey fits into this, unless she's simple a new force user, which is fine.
One thing in particular I thought was done excellently was the introductions to each character, and not just their into scenes themselves but how they transitioned to each one. Thought it was a nice touch from Poe to Finn to Rey. Poe giving FN#### was cool as well. The Saber fight was a great change of pace from the PT. I never had complaint about it, but yeah, there's no denying that here the strikes from each swordsman are to kill, as I never really felt that determination to simply strike down someone brutally in the PT, as opposed to the OT.
The movie doesn't break boundaries with the story or anything, even within its own series, but it's such a fun ride I almost feel bad not seeing it in a full crowd. I'm sure everyone has dissected this movie ten times over since this thread was posted, but I think the general consensus here and in the OT is that it's a good movie, right? We're not going to do this again, right?
That said, I'm so glad I was able to keep spoilers at bay for this. Movie was a blast, and while I echo the soundtrack complaints, it was still great on its own, despite not creating any new themes. Story is a retread of ANH, but that's totally fine, as of rewatch the OT a few days ago I really appreciate ANH a lot more before seeing this. Also, the way they shot the finale between Rey and Luke was kinda odd, as a still shot with the two at each side would've been a bit better, though I appreciate what they were going for.
I gotta say, as much as I was happy to see the old gang, I'm more excited to follow the new three characters as I really enjoyed their banter and their personalities in general. Kylo Ren was pretty cool, and even though a guy in the theater laughed at his reveal (I also smirked as he struck me as an 80s rock band reject) his relationship to the heroes is going to be pretty interesting as he's pretty connected with the original band. Also wondering where Rey fits into this, unless she's simple a new force user, which is fine.
One thing in particular I thought was done excellently was the introductions to each character, and not just their into scenes themselves but how they transitioned to each one. Thought it was a nice touch from Poe to Finn to Rey. Poe giving FN#### was cool as well. The Saber fight was a great change of pace from the PT. I never had complaint about it, but yeah, there's no denying that here the strikes from each swordsman are to kill, as I never really felt that determination to simply strike down someone brutally in the PT, as opposed to the OT.
The movie doesn't break boundaries with the story or anything, even within its own series, but it's such a fun ride I almost feel bad not seeing it in a full crowd. I'm sure everyone has dissected this movie ten times over since this thread was posted, but I think the general consensus here and in the OT is that it's a good movie, right? We're not going to do this again, right?
Dusktildawn48
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No way it's that early
Mad Season
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When Kylo was getting weepy with Han, was he really getting weepy or was it all a ruse?
Inb4 Anakin dreaming of Padme's childbirth.
TheOctodad
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I'm talking down to people who immediately accuse the movie of "plotholes" and dont even entertain the idea that there might be another reason.
I totally understand seeing it differently but the people who kee saying "fight was stupid" etc. need to at least consider other possibilities.
Jest Chillin
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BB8 stayed with Poe I believe. BB8 is to Poe as R2 is to Luke.
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Oh I missed that. Great, so Chewie Rey and R2 have teamed up with Luke. Should be fun.
Maz says she "sees the the eyes of someone who is running." That's it.
I thought there was some obvious subtext that tells us that Finn's future is with Poe as a Pilot -
1. Finn returns to the Resistance base to meet Poe. Poe runs over to him, gives him a hug, and then says, "That's my jacket." As Finn starts to remove it, Poe stops him, smiles, looks him directly in the eyes and says, "No, you keep it...it suits you." The jacket of the best pilot in the Resistance "suits" Finn? That's a pretty big hint as to his future.
2. Han, Chewie, Finn, and Maz emerge from the basement into the battle. Chewie and Han start shooting, while Finn, holding the lightsaber, looks around frantically. He then goes over to Maz and says, "I need a weapon!" Maz looks at him at him and says, "You have one!" This is highly suggestive that Finn is incompatible with the saber - it's not in his future. It wasn't natural for him. It wasn't a weapon to him. After they escape from being captured, he even picks a blaster up from one of the dead Stormtroppers, which again, is symbolic - his future is with a blaster, not a lightsaber.
Ghostmaster
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You see this type of question would never be possible in the prequel trilogy, unless it was Obi wan.
Grover Cleveland
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If Luke followed the doctrine of the old Jedi Order from the PT, pretty serious.
They took force-sensitive infants in to get trained.
nah I like Ewan but he was terrible in the prequels too
Well, if you remember the prequels, when Yoda see's Anakin for the first time he says that he is too old. Anakin was like 10. So they start training extremely young. Maybe not in depth on Light Saber usage but, definitely on how to tune into the force. Rey's skill with her staff and assumed previous force tune in training makes sense why she was so good.
He definitely did, Snoke at one point said something along the lines of "to extinguish the remaining light.." you have to kill Han or something.
Monocle
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I think he was genuinely conflicted. I'll have to watch that scene again to be sure though.
Vault Dweller 111
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Lots of really shitty theories being floated. I hope none of them are true.
How about Rey is just some random girl who lost her family, happens to be force sensitive and now has an adventure? Why does she have to be related to someone?
Han and Leia's daughter but they just don't tell her? HUH? Luke's daughter but Amneisa? Do these sound good when you think of them? Sounds dumb as hell to me.
How about Rey is just some random girl who lost her family, happens to be force sensitive and now has an adventure? Why does she have to be related to someone?
Han and Leia's daughter but they just don't tell her? HUH? Luke's daughter but Amneisa? Do these sound good when you think of them? Sounds dumb as hell to me.
Vampirolol
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He said "I've been seduced by the light" or something like that, Kylo is awesome.
The Elite
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I don't know. I don't think it was a ruse. There is a lot of inner turmoil to Kylo and he's definitely fighting something. This film didn't make it clear what that was though.
Yeah, it's such a weird line and I loved it. It's weird hearing someone say they've been seduced by the light. That's usually a dark side thing.
CassidyIzABeast
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I'm gonna take this scene as confirmation Luke is aware of Rey. R2 doesn't wake up until she's on the base and the vision shows Luke touching R2.
He clearly almost turned good, which made it such a good scene
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