[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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LookAtMeGo said:
How do you guys pick up on this stuff?. I have to watch it again.
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I noticed it my first viewing and thought it was actually pretty hard to miss. But I agree that it was a great scene.

I do recommend a second viewing for everyone, there's definitely a lot to take in and knowing where things go lets you examine everything more closely. It was on my second watch that I became positive Rey is not Luke's daughter.
 
Enjoyed the film, i'd give it a 6-6.5/10 rating. Dog fights were well done, very much enjoyed the First Order and Ren, Han was easily the best thing about the film, but Luke looked great at the end and I hope he appears in it more in Episode VIII

Finn was much better than I imagined, but unfortunately he was given some extremely shit lines at times "Do you have a boyfriend? A Cute Boyfriend" and the excitable shit like "Woo" and "Did you see that!?" those sort of lines really don't sit well with me. Combined with Oscar Isaacs opening double salve with ren where it was piss takey "I cant understand you" etc, I was rolling my eyes several times at the shitness of the script.

Weakest aspect of the film was Daisy Ridleys performance. It's almost as if the casting guys said "we want someone like Keira Knightley, but not Keira knightley" frankly her acting was awful. The accent was extremely grating as well. Character has potential, and hopefully she develops as an actress as the films go on. The fight scene at the end was really poorly done imo, I have nothing against Rey holding her own against Ren, but the way she kicked his ass quite badly really did a lot of damage to the character of Ren, i'd have preferred a fight that was more equal and then the chasm opens between the two of them meaning they can't carry on.

CGI on Snoke was awful, it was Unexpected Journey Azog bad. Hopefully it improves, or by the next film we find out that that image is very much a man behind the curtain style porjection.

FIlm really did feel like a greatest hits of Star Wars at ttimes though, which wasnt a good thing, Tatooine like planet, Cantina Mk 2, Death Star Trench Run style sequence, planet destroying machine gets destroyed at end of film, character leaves to get trained by a jedi master....

That all being said though, I do want to watch it again. It was great to leave a Star Wars film feeling relatively satisfied and I look forward to the next episodes spin offs i'm unsure about atm)
 
jtb said:
I read that scene as Kylo stalling Han and Chewie from blowing up the base while the death star was warming up. But I can read it as him being genuinely conflicted about killing his father too.
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Yeah, he was crying because the sun wasn't sunny enough to charge the weapon faster.
 
I wonder of well get an extended cut? Judging by trailer footage there is probably some stuff concerning Maz actually coming to the base and giving Leia the lightsaber back as something that wasn't in the film right?
 
Skux said:
It's Dragonball Z power level battles all over again.

Kylo
- has training but is not even close to mastery
- is injured and bleeding
- has just killed his father, giving him a degree of emotional instability

Rey
- has informal combat experience
- is not physically injured
- has just seen her friend cut down, giving her determination to fight
- has the Force "awakening" inside her, giving her an unmeasurable degree of focus/intuition/innate power that conveniently makes up for the remaining skill discrepancy

At the end of the day, the fight was clumsy compared to the gymnastic fights of the prequel trilogy and driven far more by survival instinct than expressions of skill (which is also what made it far more compelling than those boring saber duels in TFM and AotC). They could have been using clubs and it would have looked the same.
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Yeah, Rey is *desperate* for most of that fight. She's running, sloppy, chopping down trees to act as obstacles and get more distance.

I love that all three of her big Force moments (reading Kylo's mind, convincing Craigtrooper to let her go, and turning the tide of the duel) hearken back to the idea of "let the Force in". It only happens when she stops *trying* to make it happen.
 
bananafactory said:
I noticed it my first viewing and thought it was actually pretty hard to miss. But I agree that it was a great scene.

I do recommend a second viewing for everyone, there's definitely a lot to take in and knowing where things go lets you examine everything more closely. It was on my second watch that I became positive Rey is not Luke's daughter.
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I guess I'm just not as in tune with artistic expression as some. Or maybe I was too on edge about my boy Han to notice.
 
Ok, a few tings after my 4th time watching the movie:

* that's DEFINITELY no clipping error during the lighter-thumbs up.
BB8's lighter arm narrows after 2cm and then extends in width again. It's an illusion created by the shitty cam+.gif

* I love the fact that Rey refuses to follow Kanada's advice to "close your eyes, let the force guide you" - up until the moment, where she's literally at the edge - she closes her eyes and lets the force guide her (and her saber). nice callback, imho.

* When R2 wakes up, he says beep-bop-bop and C3PO asks "you found what?". - which seems like a throaway line at first, but it could indicate what condition was met for him to "wake up".
So most likely he 'yelled' "I FOUND IT" when waking up. Was it the plan hidden somewhere in his memory, or was it him detecting Rey?
he didn't 'find luke' because his part of the map is even more useless than BB8's.
 
Saw it last night and made a quick post in the OT but I'm ready to jump into this thread now. Man, oh man, was this movie incredible. I got a free poster while waiting in line. We got there 2 hours before and were like 15th in line.

Sure there were a few script issues but J.J. directed this thing beautifully. Such a sense of awe the series hasn't had in a long time. All the characters were great and BB-8 was a joy to watch. Like others have already said, everything had a sense of heft and weight. The dogfights, the lightsaber duels, the action in general felt like it mattered and felt like genuine battle. The final battle scene, oh LORD, it was excellent.

The crowd though was one of the best I've ever seen a movie with. The applause at the title card was pure magic. Big pops every time a returning character showed op. The biggest pops were when they ran to the Falcon, BB-8's thumbs up, Han and Chewie showing up, Rey grabbing the saber, Luke at the end, and then a standing ovation when the credits started. There's nothing like a killer theater experience.

Mad Season said:
When Kylo was getting weepy with Han, was he really getting weepy or was it all a ruse?
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I think he was genuinely conflicted. He said he felt the pull of the light side and I think he himself felt he might have been too weak to actually carry through with it.
 
moai said:
From this thread i learned gaf loves revenge of the sith. Imho its a terrible movie and doesnt hold a candle to this one.
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No "they" don't but some do just like anything. RotS isn't as frowned upon as the first two. I watched it last night and it's flawed but clearly some find this one flawed as well. It isn't some ridiculous thing to consider RotS better than this, though I don't necessarily think it is. I think RotS has qualities that I like over it but overall TFA is probably the better movie.
 
moai said:
From this thread i learned gaf loves revenge of the sith. Imho its a terrible movie and doesnt hold a candle to this one.
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Ten minutes into this film I literally said to myself this is far and away better than the prequels.

RoTS is the best out of the SW prequels.
 
16BitNova said:
When Kylo is trying to read her mind he says "I see it now, an island in the middle of the ocean" This is before they completed the map. Indicating he was digging into her past. She had been to the island where Luke is before. She was being trained.
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But didn't Luke disappear IN SEARCH OF the first Jedi temple? I guess you could say he took her with him and ordered her to come back, forget everything while planting fake memories and regain consciousness only when she landed on Jakku, but... not sure how it sounds.
 
teiresias said:
I wonder of well get an extended cut? Judging by trailer footage there is probably some stuff concerning Maz actually coming to the base and giving Leia the lightsaber back as something that wasn't in the film right?
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I bet we get some deleted scenes but I doubt we will get special editions.
 
jonno394 said:
Weakest aspect of the film was Daisy Ridleys performance. It's almost as if the casting guys said "we want someone like Keira Knightley, but not Keira knightley" frankly her acting was awful. The accent was extremely grating as well. Character has potential, and hopefully she develops as an actress as the films go on.
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She put on an accent? I thought that was her natural voice
 
John Harker said:
Finn and Rey came in the room from the elevated balcony behind them from outside, and the light of the draining sun was shining on the bridge and lit Kylo's face... This is when he was most conflicted, when Han offered him help.

As the sun was being drained, the light was fading slowly and right before that scene ended, the light went out in the room and Kylo's face was in darkness.... That was the moment he made up his mind and chose to distinguish his own Light, and did what Vader could never do and kill his own family.

It was a brilliantly done scene.
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don't forget Poe's line 3 minutes before: "while there is light, we still have a chance", foreshadowing that very moment.
He's of course talking about the superweapon's impending attack.
 
jtb said:
I'm trolling (I'm a known JJ hater), but not really. I wish it wasn't so shamelessly a retread. Especially since JJ has used all these tricks (to similar poor effect) in the two Star Trek films. I hate that I'm even saying this because the prequels are complete irreedemable garbage through and through but at least they failed on their own incredibly dull intergalactic taxation-based terms. This was just... the same scenes, the same beats, the same shots... just replayed out of order. Executed competently... but still utterly pointless.

at the very least, you would have thought that they would have tried a little harder to come up with more imaginative locales and scenarios if only for the sake of the toys! won't someone think of the toys!!! a third death star?

really?

really?

also, I was not impressed with any of the flying action sequences (with again the exception of the downed death star on Jakku). JJ is too impatient a director to properly stage them the way the OT had no choice to because of garbage special effects technology lol
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I would honestly hate to be you. To not be able to enjoy anything because of whatever personality flaws you have must suck. Sorry to be you man.
 
The biggest failing of the film is the way it takes a gigantic shit on the hard-earned victory of the 6th film. ROTJ is a mess of a film, but there is not a sliver of doubt in my head that the emotional catharsis of the end of that film is the peak of the franchise. the need for JJ to ape ANH so closely just made the First Order and the MacGuffin and, most insultingly of all, the marital problems of Han and Leia feel really... manufactured.

There's in media res, and then there's just throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I don't know what the solution is... but at the very least, the destruction of the "Republic" in like 15 seconds was like... uh.... I don't even know what the Republic is because no one explains anything. (that was the worst part of the film because it's just a straight up copy of ANH) ditch the dumb (and ugly) cantina planet and especially the really contrived Han/Chewie freighter thing (which will go down with Spock on the ice planet as yet another JJ coincidence no one will bother explaining because there is no explanation), how about establish some actual context for what the fuck happened in the last thirty years please? not just to the characters, but to the galaxy.

This is where JJ's impatience and aversion to exposition (despite there being plenty of it in the film) really hurts the film—I never bought any of that garbage about the prequels actively making the OT worse, but when you take my happy endings and shit on them, fine, but you need to properly explain and justify those decisions. the first hour of ep 4 is slow and, arguably, pretty dull... but it gives you a really good sense of the state of the galaxy and the state of the Jedi, etc. I needed this film to take a deep breath and get me up to speed.

I really don't like the Han/Chewie freighter thing. Really really really do not like it.

irishcow said:
I would honestly hate to be you. To not be able to enjoy anything because of whatever personality flaws you have must suck. Sorry to be you man.
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huh? not enjoying TFA means I can't enjoy anything? that doesn't make any sense, considering I love the star wars franchise
 
I thought R2 waking up was due to Han dying. I felt that Luke felt the disturbance and his reaction is what R2 picked up. That's how I'm playing it in my mind.
 
The idea that Kylo is being seduced by the light side, an inversion of the classic "temptation of the dark path" that this series relied on so much with both Anakin and Luke, is such an conceptually interesting one.
 
Grover Cleveland said:
The idea that Kylo is being seduced by the light side, an inversion of the classic "temptation of the dark path" that this series relied on so much with both Anakin and Luke, is such an conceptually interesting one.
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The boy basically prayed to Vader's mask because he was being tempted back to the light
 
Grover Cleveland said:
The idea that Kylo is being seduced by the light side, an inversion of the classic "temptation of the dark path" that this series relied on so much with both Anakin and Luke, is such an conceptually interesting one.
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being seduced by the light side = "i don't know if i can stomach all the evil shit i'm constantly doing"
It's a great concept.
Just like giving in to your rage leads to the dark side, being digusted by and regretting your actions leads to the light.
 
Agent Unknown said:
I think this is a huge overreaction. Finn's comedy to me didn't seem like a negative black comedy stereotype at all. Whenever he was cracking a joke it was usually because he was trying to overcompensate for what a noob he was. Finn totally reminds me of a really sheltered guy I knew growing up who would get really nervous, over excited and hyper when he was in social situations trying to impress people way too hard. I never once got a stereotypical, irritating, and annoying "Kevin Hart sidekick" vibe from Finn (I absolutely cannot stand Kevin Hart btw). And yeah he had heart. He was one of the bravest characters in the movie, there wasn't a single fight he ran away from (he didn't even flinch deciding to take on Ren, someone who could have killed him easily if Ren hadn't decided to go easy for a bit and simply duel with him). He had a powerful personal story too (abandoning the First Order because he refused to kill civilians). He had great chemistry with all the characters and all the main characters loved him. Sorry, I don't see the negative "black comedy guy stereotype" at all. Finn was just awkward but that doesn't mean he wasn't awesome.
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I'm only half joking about the black comedic relief thing. But what you're mentioning is specifically why I found him disappointing. He had such a good story set up. Nothing to something. As the movie went on and on it was made more and more clear that he will just play second punk who makes jokes and has a big heart and I'm sorry but for someone with the presence of John Boyega it's a huge waste.

But again, there's more movies left. I'll see. I expected a lot more out of his character than the cliche he became as the movie went on.
 
jtb said:
The biggest failing of the film is the way it takes a gigantic shit on the hard-earned victory of the 6th film. ROTJ is a mess of a film, but there is not a sliver of doubt in my head that the emotional catharsis of the end of that film is the peak of the franchise. the need for JJ to ape ANH so closely just made the First Order and the MacGuffin and, most insultingly of all, the marital problems of Han and Leia feel really... manufactured.

There's in media res, and then there's just throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I don't know what the solution is... but at the very least, the destruction of the "Republic" in like 15 seconds was like... uh.... I don't even know what the Republic is because no one explains anything. (that was the worst part of the film because it's just a straight up copy of ANH) ditch the dumb (and ugly) cantina planet and especially the really contrived Han/Chewie freighter thing (which will go down with Spock on the ice planet as yet another JJ coincidence no one will bother explaining because there is no explanation), how about establish some actual context for what the fuck happened in the last thirty years please? not just to the characters, but to the galaxy.

This is where JJ's impatience and aversion to exposition (despite there being plenty of it in the film) really hurts the film—I never bought any of that garbage about the prequels actively making the OT worse, but when you take my happy endings and shit on them, fine, but you need to properly explain and justify those decisions. the first hour of ep 4 is slow and, arguably, pretty dull... but it gives you a really good sense of the state of the galaxy and the state of the Jedi, etc. I needed this film to take a deep breath and get me up to speed.

I really don't like the Han/Chewie freighter thing. Really really really do not like it.



huh? not enjoying TFA means I can't enjoy anything? that doesn't make any sense, considering I love the star wars franchise
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yeah i just assumed its coruscant but coruscant is not the same as the republic. its just where the senate had its seat (and senators would always travel to their homeworlds and back)
 
I am not going to put this in my personal Star Wars movie ranking yet because I have seen the other movies a million times and TFA once. Doesn't really make sense to me. Also it could definitely move up after repeated viewings (there is only so low it can go haha).

Anyway we only have 2 years to soak this in and we will have another one thrown at us. Exciting times for Star Wars fans! I will leave the negativity and nitpicking to others, I really don't have any. Bob Iger and Disney rescued Star Wars from the abyss.
 
Grover Cleveland said:
The idea that Kylo is being seduced by the light side, an inversion of the classic "temptation of the dark path" that this series relied on so much with both Anakin and Luke, is such an conceptually interesting one.
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Doesn't Return of the Jedi largely revolve around Vader's temptation with the lig- err, dealing with the "good" still in him?
 
The framework is the same, but the guts are different. Yes, this movie *shamelessly* cribs from ANH and the other movies, but the characters are so wholly new and their own, I'm okay with that.

Yes, it's true that the PT actually had a ton of originality, far more than TFA...but without *any* memorable characters (okay, maybe a few), it's all for nothing.

And the characters in TFA are not retreads--they may be these mixed amalgamations, but it's used to great effect. Poe Dameron is Han Solo if he weren't so reluctant. Rey is Luke if Luke actually knew what it means to *want* to get off a planet. Kylo is Vader if he never got rid of the light inside of him. Etc.
 
John Harker said:
It's only really strange If you're bad at parenting.
It's 2015, no reason children should grow up thinking two men in life is strange unless they are intentionally being raised that way. Especially because, ya know, it's another galaxy with aliens everywhere.

Still, i read that as way more of a bromance anyway.
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Oh yeah, can't help but imagine Poe and Finn making out on screen. Bad parenting or not, we all know what the reactions would be.

I guess I'm wrong though.
 
jtb said:
The biggest failing of the film is the way it takes a gigantic shit on the hard-earned victory of the 6th film. ROTJ is a mess of a film, but there is not a sliver of doubt in my head that the emotional catharsis of the end of that film is the peak of the franchise. the need for JJ to ape ANH so closely just made the First Order and the MacGuffin and, most insultingly of all, the marital problems of Han and Leia feel really... manufactured.

There's in media res, and then there's just throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I don't know what the solution is... but at the very least, the destruction of the "Republic" in like 15 seconds was like... uh.... I don't even know what the Republic is because no one explains anything. (that was the worst part of the film because it's just a straight up copy of ANH) ditch the dumb (and ugly) cantina planet and especially the really contrived Han/Chewie freighter thing (which will go down with Spock on the ice planet as yet another JJ coincidence no one will bother explaining because there is no explanation), how about establish some actual context for what the fuck happened in the last thirty years please? not just to the characters, but to the galaxy.

This is where JJ's impatience and aversion to exposition (despite there being plenty of it in the film) really hurts the film—I never bought any of that garbage about the prequels actively making the OT worse, but when you take my happy endings and shit on them, fine, but you need to properly explain and justify those decisions. the first hour of ep 4 is slow and, arguably, pretty dull... but it gives you a really good sense of the state of the galaxy and the state of the Jedi, etc. I needed this film to take a deep breath and get me up to speed.

I really don't like the Han/Chewie freighter thing. Really really really do not like it.



huh? not enjoying TFA means I can't enjoy anything? that doesn't make any sense, considering I love the star wars franchise
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You should have stopped at "in my head". Fail is not a word to be used on this film.
 
jonno394 said:
It is her natural voice, but frankly, the accent was very grating and off putting to me, and i'm British/English!
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Huh, alright I mean I guess that's an opinion. I just don't think I've ever found an actor's accent to be something that bothered me in a film, unless I couldn't understand what they were saying.
 
irishcow said:
I would honestly hate to be you. To not be able to enjoy anything because of whatever personality flaws you have must suck. Sorry to be you man.
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What a shitty post. "You didn't like one thing that I did; your life must suuuuuck"

I can't even fathom why you thought that was a necessary point to make
 
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