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[Meowster]

confused? I thought he looked overwhelmed with emotion..

He didn't look like he was ready for what Rey was offering. But I've only seen it once and it was a short scene, maybe I need to see it again.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Look, I'm cool for reading any of this stuff outside, but it really shouldn't be necessary for watching the film. This is especially since the filmmakers rarely take into account any of this stuff.

This. I probably won't be reading any of those books as the movie has to stand on its own.

 

[pringles]

When they were in the Falcon and she was flying and he was shooting, and they immediately ran toward each other afterwards and were excitedly talking together in rapid succession while staring in each other's eyes.... One of the most real moments of chemistry in the franchise for me. It's real.

It was awesome, it's just how a normal person would react after a thing like that. Very genuine. Chemistry was off-the-hook in this movie.

 

[Prompto]

I would like to be first to say that I think either Poe or Finn, or both... are gay.

I'm sure this will not be a popular opinion, but I honestly think Disney/Kennedy et al are going there.

Anyone with me?

I dont see it happening but when I googled Poe Dameron earlier I noticed this was the first autofill option:

So I guess you're not alone in thinking it.

 

[Dalek]

God I loved that. Total bliss.

 

[Toparaman]

I really wish they hadn't rushed this film. Such a garbage script. And all the locales/set-pieces were surprisingly uninspired and unimaginative, with the only exception being the crashed star destroyer.

Also Rey and Finn being able to handle Kylo was terrible... way to undercut your villain. Vader kicks Obi-Wan's ass, then he kicks Luke's ass in the first two movies. but two untrained kids playing with a toy can beat him? dumb

JJ is a hack but even then, I wanted to like it. meh.

Kylo isn't Vader. He's an incompetent Vader wannabe. That is very intentional.

 

[Tesseract]

ya trashma def saved han, he's alive

or he's a clone, explains why he ain't ren's father

luke knows snoke found the wellspring, is immortal

danny devito is the ewok leader

 

[Calcium]

I'm lost on the Artoo part. On one hand, there's a theory that Luke sensed Rey's awakening and Han's death and used the force to give Artoo the information that they needed. This is all well and fine but it just feels contradictory to the ending we see. Luke seems taken aback that Rey has found him and looks confused. Theorists, halp.

Luke's expression could be the shock of seeing his daughter, all grown up holding out his old lightsaber. If he is able to use the Force to see the events that transpired to bring her to him perhaps he is reacting to that as well.

 

[Blunoise]

Is this released?

Edit: Not available on Kindle in Canada. Fucktards!

It's on Google play and Appe store, but I actually brought the hard copy from target.

 

[SneakersSO]

Yeah, it also played into the anger at Finn wanting to leave and join the pirates.

Abandonment issues.

In regards to her Mary Sue status, I think that it would have helped if they actually made Finn more competent as a character. Can't fly, lower understanding of tech, obviously no force, coward. Maybe decent blaster aim, but that's it.

Luke may have been just as good as Rey in ANH, but there was way more parity between him and Han then there was between Rey and Finn here. She took all the "cool" traits and items, he's left in a coma. I kinda left the theater feeling as though they purposefully wanted to emphasize her greatness over every single being in the story, and that Finn was mostly used as a plot-device to do that. The fact that he starts crushing on her almost immediately also lends itself to that. So now she's not only a great...everything...but we'll even use a sidekick to make sure that she looks ultra-desirable as well.

But in a weird way, all of what you said regarding Finn is why i'm as excited about his character arc in the future movies as much as any other characters going forward. While I do theorize that Finn has SOME force affinity, its likely tiny compared to Rey or Kylo.

The movie spends a lot of time establishing just how 'secondary' Finn is, and they made him a stormtrooper to boot, which have always been viewed as somewhat incompetent in the eyes of the Star Wars audience. But we see a character who keeps wanting to push himself to be a better person, and to live up to expectations other put upon him. He's not sure of himself, but he knows he has to succeed because others are counting on him. Compare this to Rey, who is coming across as a prodigy for much of the movie(although she worked for her accomplishments), and I find the idea of Finn's potential arcs in future movies to be every bit as interesting as Rey's.

 

[The Elite]

Kylo isn't Vader. He's an incompetent Vader wannabe. That is very intentional.

They go a lot out of their way to make sure the audience knows that too.

I love Kylo as a villain, temper tantrums and all.

It's on Google play and Appe store, but I actually brought the hard copy from target.

Thanks.

 

[jtb]

Rey isn't Luke, so why does R2 wake up. Unless R2 knows her from when Luke trained her. But still at that point it seems like a super weak plot point.

same reason Luke's lightsaber is just conveniently lying around the cantina

dunno who cares doesn't matter check back next May

which tbh isn't an awful explanation because exposition is boring (and it was already sagging a bit by that point anyways) but, you know, I wouldn't expect any kind of satisfying answer to these questions. I watched six seasons of LOST. I would know.

Spoiler

yes i know JJ had barely anything to do with it I don't care guilt by association

 

[LookAtMeGo]

I don't care how trained and street wise Rey is... you're going up against someone who's likely been trained all their life (child of two of rebellion's biggest war heroes, direct descendant of most powerful force user, trained by poor man's emperor/thanos), it just felt so contrived because 1. the film needed a lightsaber battle (star wars films gotta have a lightsaber battle) and 2. the good guys have to, kinda, win at the end of the first movie because... dramatic structures or a new hope or something idk.

it didn't have to play out that way but you could feel the plot being forced to

Did you miss the bart where Chewie shot him with a weapon that one shot kills everyone else it toiches and he was bleeding out? I doubt the fight would have ended the way it did if Kylo was not injured.

People can relax though. Im sure after Kylo completes his training he will give Rey the asswhooping everyone wants so bad.

 

[MMarston]

I really don't want Rey to be a Skywalker.


I really really really do not.

 

[TheOctodad]

Do you have children? 7 years old watching 2 guys in love is really strange for them, lol.

But yeah, I could see Finn and Rey ending up together.

I work with kids and it's only weird if parents have sheltered them from this reality. Or it just emerges more as innocent questions.

Gay people not being child friendly is weird.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

I love Noto art.

 

[Shaanyboi]

I hate this background point SO much.

Basically makes him a joke from here on out...just for a quick laugh in the first movie.

And while it makes sense that soldiers have to do that kind of work, it's not made clear in the movie, and I feel like most of the audience just felt "haha black janitor".

Uhhh, he was also the one who led the rescue of Rey and stood up to Kylo Ren despite not being a Jedi.

 

[Jest Chillin]

When they were in the Falcon and she was flying and he was shooting, and they immediately ran toward each other afterwards and were excitedly talking together in rapid succession while staring in each other's eyes.... One of the most real moments of chemistry in the franchise for me. It's real.

I agree. I think it will be a situation where she kind of denies her feelings until there's a moment where Finn is damseled and she has to make a choice to leave him to his fate in order to accomplish a larger goal or abandon the larger goal to save him.

 

[Calcium]

Yea so just got done seeing it and dear god that was a huge piece of shit. I went in excited and hoping it would blow me away and dear god I was let down every way imaginable. For me Star Wars ended at 6 movies.

You mention 6 movies. So were the prequels worthy of the franchise where this one wasn't?

I really don't want Rey to be a Skywalker.


I really really really do not.

I like the Obi-Wan's granddaughter theory, but everything is pointing towards Rey being a Skywalker. They've said this was a series about family and the new movies being about their children just makes sense.

 

[KingSnake]

I think people forget that Rey knows how to handle herself. She's experienced with a staff.

Remember when Finn was going to "save" her from those thugs? She kicked their asses.

The comment about Ren as being a brute force fighter verses fully trained is 100% on point.

Plus, Kylo is never shown as a great sword fighter or something, his power is more towards mental tricks and Rey already owned him twice in that area. When he stopped to ask her about joining the Dark side it practically tilted the balance in her favor. Her brute use of the force it's obviously stronger when she's able to focus on it.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

I thought they made Finn to look like a bit of chump overall. The black comedy stylings of black dude in film. I have a crush on Rey though I'm sure every male on the planet does.

Those are my thoughts. Good movie though I'm hoping they're playing the long game on Finn though and they have a lot more for him than second fiddle chumpboy who keeps getting his ass handed. But boy does he have heart!!?!?!11!!11
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This is my biggest beef with the film too. Especially after the hyping of Finn with a lightsabre in the pre-release media. The subtext of his useful point being with a gun to top of that keeps me from loving the film. I still like it, but the whole bait and switch feels cheap.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

ya trashma def saved han, he's alive

or he's a clone, explains why he ain't ren's father

luke knows snoke found the wellspring, is immortal

danny devito is the ewok leader

It's Always Yubnub in Phasmadelphia

 

[DrForester]

Kylo Ren was seriously injured. Both Ray and Finn were experienced in melee combat.

I don't see the issue.

 

[SneakersSO]

I'm not big on Star Wars. I didn't know that's what she was doing.

I understand. And to be fair, they didn't really 'visualize' that in any meaningful way. They just had her close her eyes & concentrate for a few moments after Kylo mentioned teaching her how to 'use the force'.

 

[Jarmel]

trashma oh god

 

[Tesseract]

this speculation is off the rails. see y'all in 19 months !

 

[The One and Done™]

Why do some people act like there weren't unanswered questions after A New Hope? Some of the complaints I see online are, "This isn't explained.", "I don't understand...". Are they fucking brand new or something? How about we allow the film to breathe and the trilogy to play out before we start complaining about things, the majority of which, will be fleshed out in later films. The journey has always been more enthralling than the destination in Star Wars anyway.

Some of these so called fans have turned to the damn darkside between films. Christ.

/venting on 3 youtube videos that were unbearable.

 

[Robot Pants]

A 70 year old man with no force ability:

1. Gets stabbed in the heart
2. Falls down a bottomless pit
3. Which promptly explodes along with the entire planet.

Dude's dead.

Nah bro.
Darkside can stop people from dying remember?
Kylo will bring him back.

 

[tkato]

Plus, Kylo is never shown as a great sword fighter or something, his power is more towards mental tricks and Rey already owned him twice in that area. When he stopped to ask her about joining the Dark side it practically tilted the balance in her favor. Her brute use of the force it's obviously stronger when she's able to focus on it.

Just wanted to point out that if Rey were a computer terminal she would've been done for, that guy is the bane of computers everywhere.

 

[Blunoise]

Look, I'm cool for reading any of this stuff outside, but it really shouldn't be necessary for watching the film. This is especially since the filmmakers rarely take into account any of this stuff.

No your right, they shouldn't skip details in the movie, which is sad when they do. But the books are a nice read, that just add more insight to the universe.

 

[Calcium]

Kylo Ren was seriously injured. Both Ray and Finn were experienced in melee combat.

I don't see the issue.

A lot of people seem to be pissed that Kylo Ren isn't as much of a badass as they imagined he'd be.

 

[Sotha_Sil]

I enjoyed the movie. It was solid throughout, but eventually unremarkable.

5 > 4 > 6 > 7 >>>>>>>>> 3 > 1 > 2

My favorite scene was Leia's landing, with her face lighting up when Chewie comes to give her a hug. Very well done.

Not sure how I feel about Kylo's fights at the end. His inner doubts about rejoining the light felt forced. I did like how he was involved with the crew. It was like Vader in Episode 4.

 

[Tesseract]

This is my biggest beef with the film too. Especially after the hyping of Finn with a lightsabre in the pre-release media. The subtext of his useful point being with a gun to top of that keeps me from loving the film. I still like it, but the whole bait and switch feels cheap.

welcome to jj's mystery box

 

[Salz01]

We already see Rey kicking ass at the beginning. That, coupled with bigtime Force awakening and Ren's injuries, give her an edge in lightsaber dueling.


Speaking of which, how did that fight end? It was tough to make out on the screen for some reason -- I thought she may have cut his hand off at first, but that didn't seem to be the case. And then others have said that she destroyed his lightsaber?

Rey taking on a force user (even while being hurt) isn't the same as just punching some thugs on a desert planet , which she likely knew....since she goes there a lot to trade. Mid movie she even runs from the saber, how does she even know to channel any sort of force power when 'in movie time' she questioned its whole existence two days earlier. It's a big pill to swallow.

 

[HarryDemeanor]

I was really disappointed in the way they handled Captain Phasma. Thought we were finally going to get a badass female villain and they waste her. Hopefully she comes back in 8.

Also has anyone found out which planets were destroyed by Starkiller Base?

 

[OricWindstar]

Yeah actually I wonder if he even took it with him out of the Death Star. My guess is no, at least there is no indication I can recall that he did. So I'm thinking the green saber is gone and he never made a new one, neither did any of his trainees. Hence the one Rey gives him is the one he'll use, unless he outright doesn't even want it.

Oh yeah, didn't even think of that. He does toss it and that's the last we see of it.

 

[EvilRedEye]

I've enjoyed the young adult character books but no way would I have read Before the Awakening before seeing the film. The films do really need to stand alone, particularly in terms of character stuff.

 

[shem935]

Kylo Ren was seriously injured. Both Ray and Finn were experienced in melee combat.

I don't see the issue.

It's just nitpicking. There are no huge leaps in logic throughout but we are trying really hard to find them. The closest thing to a plot hole is R2D2 waking up but hey...it's the force. Don't worry about it.

I was really disappointed in the way they handled Captain Phasma. Thought we were finally going to get a badass female villain and they waste her. Hopefully she comes back in 8.

Also has anyone found out which planets were destroyed by Starkiller Base?

I would bet money on her coming back.

 

[BTM]

I don't care how trained and street wise Rey is... you're going up against someone who's likely been trained all their life (child of two of rebellion's biggest war heroes, direct descendant of most powerful force user, trained by poor man's emperor/thanos), it just felt so contrived because 1. the film needed a lightsaber battle (star wars films gotta have a lightsaber battle) and 2. the good guys have to, kinda, win at the end of the first movie because... dramatic structures or a new hope or something idk.

it didn't have to play out that way but you could feel the plot being forced to

Well, Kylo was probably pretty rusty with his lightsaber fighting skills. Who knows when the last time he was in a legit lightsaber duel.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Uhhh, he was also the one who led the rescue of Rey and stood up to Kylo Ren despite not being a Jedi.

And he rescued Poe, which led to him also getting BB-8 with map to the Resistance.

 

[Jest Chillin]

I like the Obi-Wan's granddaughter theory, but everything is pointing towards Rey being a Skywalker. They've said this was a series about family and the new movies being about their children just makes sense.

But Kenobi has a close history with Skywalkers and not every family is bonded by blood or marriage. Beyond that Kylo is a Skywalker and the movies seem primed to show his power growth in the Darkside so while he's a villain, it seems that the movies will be just as much about him as they are about the heroes.

 

[jtb]

Did you miss the bart where Chewie shot him with a weapon that one shot kills everyone else it toiches and he was bleeding out? I doubt the fight would have ended the way it did if Kylo was not injured.

People can relax though. Im sure after Kylo completes his training he will give Rey the asswhooping everyone wants so bad.

I actually did forget that part lol

well, now I like the movie a little more!

 

[civilstrife]

Do you have children? 7 years old watching 2 guys in love is really strange for them, lol.

But yeah, I could see Finn and Rey ending up together.

Children reflect their parents. If the parents are weird about it, so are the kids.

Otherwise, there's like a moment of "But I thought only a man and woman can fall in love."
then it's like: "Oh...ok! Can I have icecream now?"

As a thought experiment, imagine Finn and Poe as being opposite gendered and having the same interactions they have in this movie. Would you be surprised to see them together in the end?

Spoiler

Please have mercy GAF

 

[The Elite]

Han will come back as a baby in the reanimated corpse of Shmii Skywalker.

They will have their own movie called Shmii the Virgin.

 

[TheOctodad]

I hope Hans upper body returns attached to Mauls lower body but it causes him to grow horns. Darth Haul and Luke fight in episode 8 and he kills Luke saying, "that's for kissing my wife."

 

[a916]

Kylo Ren was seriously injured. Both Ray and Finn were experienced in melee combat.

I don't see the issue.

It's not that Rey held her own... it's that Rey was completely owning him.

Kylo's injuries and Rey's force awakening should have evened the ground... not given her a "Luke vs stormtrooper" domination level.

What happens when Rey get's trained properly by Luke? Kylo is definitely screwed... is the same thing Marvel does with it's villains. Emasculates them to put over the hero.

 

[pringles]

A lot of people seem to be pissed that Kylo Ren isn't as much of a badass as they imagined he'd be.

Definitely. A lot of people simply wanted another Darth Vader. When it was revealed that Kylo wasn't that, they were disappointed.

I'm happy Kylo is a villain on a journey though, not a one-dimensional bad guy that is at the top of his abilities. More interesting possibilities in the next one when you consider that both Kylo and Rey will develop their abilities.

 

[Interfectum]

I really don't want Rey to be a Skywalker.


I really really really do not.

I think Rey, somehow, is a Kenobi.

 

[Octavianus]

Snoke is a terrible name

 

[AlphaDragoon]

And I have no need for supermodels in Star Wars movies.

That's too bad because you kinda got one in Daisy Ridley. She's ridiculously beautiful.