[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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I've got nothing to back it up, at all, other than just a gut impression.
Things that made me think that were the voice, the cold logic of all her actions and, for better or worse, the fact that the scene in which they had her disarming the defenses struck me as similar to the ANH scene were C3PO and R2D2 are in the control room and R2 is doing his thing.
I could be totally wrong.
PHOENIXZERO
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For the record again, Kylo Ren is 29-30 and Rey is around 19-20. Do we know when he turned?
you're taking things at face value a little too literally.
of course the likes of yoda, the emperor, anakin, obiwan and any other high ranking sith or jedi could perform the feats ben does.
these other legendary jedi simply didn't have the opportunity to do them on screen, nor did the producers/directors of those movies see it fit to make them perform those feats at the time. it's really common sense; a way of thinking that takes the back seat when we tend to over-analyse things.
there are many, many awesome things jedi & sith can do that have not shown up on the movie screens.
not to diminish ben solo's talen in the force; of course not. he does after all have the skywalker linage in his blood.
LegalEagleMike
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Jedi Sperm Bank, Luke finds it and starts making new Jedi. Rey Kenobi and Finn Windu.
The Obi-wan theory assumes that he's her grandfather.
In the canon he had an old lover so he either had secret child with her (Rey's parent) or he met someone after the events of Episode III.
FlashbladeGAF
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One day, he got drunk at Mos Eisley, and one thing led to another...
Probably whenever Rey was abandoned on Jakku
Did the art book specifically say she got the staff from a star destroyer? Because she could have gotten it from anywhere. It's just a metal stick.
As for reasons why Snoke is NOT Plagueis...
A) Abrahms and Kasdan straight up said he wasn't at a panel. Serkis said he was a new character as well.
B) The only canon info we have about Plagueis is from Episode III. His backstory, race, and staff ownership details are all part of the jettisoned EU "Legends" books. Ergo, we have no idea if canon Plagueis actually had a staff.
C) It would be the dumbest thing ever to have the big bad be a guy who was mentioned briefly in the prequels. It's clear that they are trying to ignore the prequels as much as possible and I can't seem them making such a callback.
Sadly the Plagueis = Snoke train is going to choo choo on until Episode IX.
Nice. Looking forward to grabbing it.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Slight side note for fans of the movie & Disneyland: Star Tours at Disneyland/World just added a new scene on jakku featuring the Millennium Falcon. It's pretty rad
I can't believe we're getting a young Han Solo movie no one wants instead of this.
my favorite theory yet lol
jamesmccloud
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How did they do Obi-wan calling Rey in her vision? Was really well done, Audacity is one heck of an sound editing application.
Bobby Roberts
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Granddaughter or Great-Niece or some shit like that. The theory is that she's a Kenobi relation, not his child directly.
It's posted upthread: They called James Arnold Taylor, and then called Ewan McGregor.
She beat him in mind games earlier during the interrogation, where as soon as he lost control of the situation, he folded, and she instead ended up reading his mind!
I think Rey is probably far more force sensitive than Kylo is, which is another reason I think her relation or link to the force is stronger, Eg her Luke's daughter, who is far more force sensitive than Leia (Kylo's mother).
Scientist Supreme!
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Ok.One was training, the other was surviving.
One was trying to live up to the family legacy and the pressure that comes with it, while the other one was trying to survive on nothing but their wits.
One is mentally unstable, the other is a strong independent woman
Which one do you think will draw more power out of the force?
Mentally broken or someone with a strong will?
And in the end it wasn't the force that helped her win. It was conquering her own fear and fighting the way she always does.
Not to win, but to survive.
I mean we aren't going to change each other on this issue. You find it makes sense while I do not.
No reason to going back and forth.
Is it too late for Disney to cancel that shit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tudKYRtHjA&list=PLM0tErpz6Krn2rWRWkIBUqwSLEJst_ZQz&index=24
When this goes to Lukes theme at the end of the film, that was just magical
Best part of the score
When this goes to Lukes theme at the end of the film, that was just magical
Best part of the score
I would say it's very unlikely the entire New Republic fleet was in orbit of the New Republic home world. Even with the importance of that planet it's likely only a very small percentage of their fleet would of been in the system (and probably only the ones in orbit would of been destroyed, some of the ships probably weren't in orbit).
I did find it kinda odd the New Republic fleet didn't help attack the planet, I imagine most of the commanders would of wanted to attack the people who destroyed their capital, but they might not of been able to get to the Starkiller Planet in time. I think C3PO even says something like it's too bad the New Republic fleet wasn't able to be there/help.
FlashbladeGAF
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If Chewie could find and rescue Fin and Ren, the thousands of New Order Soldiers could have easily found Ren. Or the Hitler Commander guy.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Only if cancelling it somehow makes them more money
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It would be hilarious if Snoke was 2 feet tall.
Also: I really liked the effect when Kylo Ren would freeze someone in the force and they vibrated slightly.
Also: I really liked the effect when Kylo Ren would freeze someone in the force and they vibrated slightly.
Bobby Roberts
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Nah. it's basically the whole reason Lawrence Kasdan is even there. He signed on to do the Han film before he ever started work on the Force Awakens.
I doubt Rey's street-wise skills (part-timing with scavenging) are nearly as effective as Kylo's dedicated training from the order. Also, Rey got bopped into a tree and hit the ground at the height that could fracture bones. Rey being on the run early on was simply because she hadn't believed in her power.
IIRC Luke got mad strong after getting destabilized by Vader.
Atraveller
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Or even bigger than the hologram.
I assume one doesn't have to be force sensitive to use it, Han Solo used Luke's once in ESB, although it wasn't in combat.
Speedy Blue Dude
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Oh, one last question. Can only a Jedi/Person with the force use a Light Saber as a weapon, or can anyone?
We saw Rey use it super effectively, and saw her using the force, So I assume she's the new Jedi.
Fin also used the same light saber for a while, but didn't really seem to use it well? (I mean, he hit the bad guy once with it?), does that mean he is also a form of Jedi/Has force?
We saw Rey use it super effectively, and saw her using the force, So I assume she's the new Jedi.
Fin also used the same light saber for a while, but didn't really seem to use it well? (I mean, he hit the bad guy once with it?), does that mean he is also a form of Jedi/Has force?
"Kyle isn't fully-trained" is such a silly angle. Dude's been training like ten years at least, surely. He went to Luke young enough that he was fucked up about being abandoned by his folks. And now he's twenty-something.
What you're really saying here is Phasma is a total cipher of a "character". Star Wars droids have more personality than Phasma does lol. She's an empty suit.
What you're really saying here is Phasma is a total cipher of a "character". Star Wars droids have more personality than Phasma does lol. She's an empty suit.
John Harker
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Interesting that Hux survives his deathstar being destroyed while his counter point Tarkin went down with his. Even as Kylo was able to kill his father and succeed where Vader, his counter part, couldn't.
Either Snoke really did learn from the fall of the Galactic Empire and hand picked his cultists more wisely, or JJ wants these guys to stick around for awhile so he can keep a throwback thread alive
Either Snoke really did learn from the fall of the Galactic Empire and hand picked his cultists more wisely, or JJ wants these guys to stick around for awhile so he can keep a throwback thread alive
lastplayed
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Can't wait for my Kylo Ren lightsaber to turn up. I'm gonna have some wicked tantrums yo.
Prototype Viktor
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wait a minute why is Finn's eye's open in that OP poster?!
I'm kinda surprised Miller and Lord agreed to direct a franchise film which they wouldn't be writing. Unless the plan is to wait for the first draft to be in, and then gain control of it with rewrites.
LegalEagleMike
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Id say a good bit was blown up but of course there are going to be assets still around. Im sure we will see a good bit of those in the next movie after everyone realizes that its time to fully and openly support the Resistance against the First Order.
It's... best not to overthink the whole New Republic thing.
It's evidently something the writers didn't want, but had to deal with.
The One and Done
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Han stabbed first
Kinda hard to meet that standard given that Vader didn't have a father to kill.
Anyone can use a lightsaber, canon has a stormtrooper being quite good with one (Vader's Fist) but to use them at their full potential, you need the Force
Sorry to bring up the art book again, but it says in it that his lightsaber is very crudely and inefficiently designed and made (by Kylo), so he clearly isn't particularly well trained yet. My guess is after Snope fully trains him, he'll design and build a far better and more polished saber.
Wasn't there a huge post in the last spoiler thread about how the First Order was detailed in a companion book as being culturally different from the Empire? They don't see their people as disposable troops, and have build various failsafes and redundancies into their hardware to ensure survival rather than pointless sacrifice.
Hahahahaha. Whoa. See, I'm right! And I was only half-joking. Lol.
That lightsaber is really the dumbest.
I just watched Empire Strike's Back, in the beginning Luke takes a fall from the top of a giant walker that's like 50 feet high that should have shattered his spine. He walks it off.
He got mad strong after getting pissed off by Vader. Kylo Ren isn't pissed off, he's in turmoil.
Psychoward
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but he had a practical effect for it in combat and the vents were because the crystal was unstable because it was sith
Bobby Roberts
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Theory we kicked around a little on Full of Sith:
What if the Knights of Ren are fellow students of Luke's that Kylo & Snoke turned? What if part of what has Luke so fucked up that he went into exile is that he had to basically kill his own students - except he can't bring himself to take out his own nephew?
Could not only explain why Luke looks kinda/sorta out of his fucking mind when Rey finds him, but could explain why we don't see any other Knights of Ren but during the vision.
What if the Knights of Ren are fellow students of Luke's that Kylo & Snoke turned? What if part of what has Luke so fucked up that he went into exile is that he had to basically kill his own students - except he can't bring himself to take out his own nephew?
Could not only explain why Luke looks kinda/sorta out of his fucking mind when Rey finds him, but could explain why we don't see any other Knights of Ren but during the vision.
Historical Star Wars universe assumptions were that muggles can definitely use light sabers but it's a real bad idea. They're weighted weird and they're the ultimate "double-edged sword". So you're more likely to hurt yourself than do anything useful. But it's possible to wield. Finn swinging it around a couple times doesn't necessarily mean he's a Jedi waiting to happen.
Wait, seriously ? I don't specifically remember hearing that during the vision, and I didn't recognize the voice. That really was McGregor saying that line ?
If so, I'm even more pumped for the sequel.
What the hell are you on about? I've explicitly deferred my assumptions away from any form of sexism, even if that occasionally is at play. I'm extra conservative to not assume too much. Yet I disagree with a certain handful of criticism cast against the characters, specifically because I think the story does cover them. Specifically because I think there isn't a deficiency in the storytelling to elicit certain criticisms. However I think other criticisms can be legitimately made. If anything the take away is that I think people are too often forming a simulacrum of sexism in other's critics in order to write of the criticisms that they dislike. However, I still maintain that I dislike certain critics and I feel there are valid dismissals of them based in the story as it has been presented thus far.
What's intellectual lazy is you extrapolating the scope of my comment, and then likening it to some contrived controversy. Of course there are plenty of complaints to go around for all characters. I even touched on critics that landed upon Ren's character that I disagree with.
wingedarcher7
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No, I'm pretty sure anyone can use it. It's just a signature weapon for Jedi specifically. Finn uses it in the movie and General Grievous uses plenty of them and he's certainly not a Jedi. I don't think he had the force either, but maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong about that one.
Psychoward
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I figured that was pretty much the truth that the movie tells and not a theory?
PHOENIXZERO
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Are they casting Anthony Ingruber to play young Han? He's already played a young version of Harrison Ford in The Age of Adaline so why not get a little typecast?
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