Loved Chewie's rampage, though felt that we should have seen him rip off someone's arms for the full Wookie experience.
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Oh...you mean the movie where they establish that Luke's father is a great pilot and greatest Jedi ever?
Of course not.
Thanks for all that info. My GF and I only saw the movies and that's it, no extended universe whatsoever.
We were all cursing the movie because we didn't know that. I'll let her know about this.... but still , this should have been in the movie...............
cebri.one
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No, because he wasn't going up against a trained Sith or whatever Kylo Ren is. In ESB Luke gets beaten by Vader easily and Luke had received a lot of training by then.
WanderingWind
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Love Rey and Finn as leads. Perfect casting on both. Kylo Ren sort of steals the show. I love that he's not some baddass mama jama. He's basically if you took a modern school shooter and gave him superpowers. He's a creepy little fuck and truly feels capable of doing anything. He's scary in a reflective of the real world sort of way.
Why wasn't this explained in the movie!?
Injured, partially trained Sith.
Not exactly fighting the most powerful Sith of all time, like Luke was with Vader.
My thoughts exactly
i liked rey and finn's characters
surprised to see many familiar faces, odda from last kingdom, one of the weasley twin from harry potter, the indonesian guys from the raid
especially the indonesians, i mean you actually brought them for a cameo and they didn't even do any hand to hand combat? like what the fuck?
surprised to see many familiar faces, odda from last kingdom, one of the weasley twin from harry potter, the indonesian guys from the raid
especially the indonesians, i mean you actually brought them for a cameo and they didn't even do any hand to hand combat? like what the fuck?
Denton
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I found the picture funny which is why I posted it. The point was made already by many people, yes.
There's a mistake there though, it's Poe who meets up with Lor San Tekka at the start, who's then killed. Rey never meets him. So much for it being a ANH remake
True, there is a difference there, screenwriters redeemed!
Kasdan knows this Star Wars story well, he's responsible for
Empire
Return of the Jedi
The Force Awakens
It will be interesting to see someone else's take on it, besides lucas of course, maybe they should have had Kasdan to flesh out a skelton for the entire new trilogy story and then left Johnson fill in the finer detail.
Empire
Return of the Jedi
The Force Awakens
It will be interesting to see someone else's take on it, besides lucas of course, maybe they should have had Kasdan to flesh out a skelton for the entire new trilogy story and then left Johnson fill in the finer detail.
Dreams-Visions
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Indeed. Good actors supported by good scripts.
Plus, it helps that they appear to actually want to be a part of Star Wars. Where in past SW movies, sometimes actors appeared to be motivated to simply get it over with. Their excitement excites me and their motivation to be good came through in every shot, tbqh.
Rare that I'm genuinely happy for an actor to have a specific role...but I couldn't be happier for the 3 of them. And I'm sure they will retain that energy and passion going forward.
Remember what? How can anyone remember something they never knew? But even if this were the case, it makes little sense. Just think about it for a moment.
WanderingWind
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Wait. How is Ren related to Rey?
I wasn't trying to call you out it's just that the movie is so shameless in what its doing that the image is unnecessary. Like, usually people create clever little images like that when something isn't so apparent so you get a laugh when it all makes sense but here everyone knows what the film is doing so the image doesn't get that same laugh from me.
Honestly, if Kasdan is chieflly responsible for this script then its best he's left out of the future movies. Although honestly it feels like JJ has the bigger hand in this script with all them open ended mysteries shoved in.
cebri.one
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Again, Luke in ANH uses his instinct to destroy the DS, the same way Anakin used it to win the Pod race. But neither of them knew how to use force tricks (or at least not seen) or even how to fight with a lightsaber. Yet Ray knows all that by her own. I find pretty hard to buy that unless, again, she had received some training when she was very young,
CassidyIzABeast
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Anything that was poorly executed in the PT got axed completely. So talking politics at all was off the table. Throw a mention it in the opening crawl and keep it moving.
WanderingWind
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It's a Star Wars discussion thread. There are few things more unnecessary in the entire galaxy.
PHOENIXZERO
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Luke was on Dagobah for a matter of days at most.
I don't speak to the quality of ROTJ, but the story. There was virtually no flow from one to the other beyond some minor characters. And yes, the film was all about pleasing disenfranchised fans, which was boring. We'd seen this film already, call it a reboot and my argument evaporates.
It's never explained in the movie well. I think the general theory is that it's a few weeks as the Falcon had to struggle sub light to Cloud City.
cebri.one
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He also receives training from ghost Obi Wan, that's implied in the movie.
Even Vader in the final fight says "Obi Wan has taught you well".
EatChildren
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Copy paste but...
Saw it. Liked it, but could have been a lot better. I feel it's strengths were the characters, micro level moment-to-moment setpieces and sequences, visual effects, cinematography, and the fact it wasn't total shit coming off three turds. While its weaknesses were a lack of worldbuilding and lore to develop the setpieces, excessive and heavy handed pandering to nostalgia, and some undeveloped ideas.
For me it was fun but it just had no coherent structure. Like it was trying to fit all these great little ideas together into one whole movie without taking the time to breath develop its ideas. It rushes off to cameos, action sequences, new characters, adventures, and gimmicks, and for me that results in a loss of traction as the movie kinda blends together as an amalgamation of stuff. This combined with so much retreading of A New Hope results in a loss of weight and significance to the threats and small arcs they're trying to convey. It was really hard to give a shit about Death Star 3.0 and everything surrounding it.
But yeah. I enjoyed it, even if I feel it could have been a lot better. I think it's a good stepping stone and I hope the subsequent episodes improve on the overall structure.
That's how I felt.
Saw it. Liked it, but could have been a lot better. I feel it's strengths were the characters, micro level moment-to-moment setpieces and sequences, visual effects, cinematography, and the fact it wasn't total shit coming off three turds. While its weaknesses were a lack of worldbuilding and lore to develop the setpieces, excessive and heavy handed pandering to nostalgia, and some undeveloped ideas.
For me it was fun but it just had no coherent structure. Like it was trying to fit all these great little ideas together into one whole movie without taking the time to breath develop its ideas. It rushes off to cameos, action sequences, new characters, adventures, and gimmicks, and for me that results in a loss of traction as the movie kinda blends together as an amalgamation of stuff. This combined with so much retreading of A New Hope results in a loss of weight and significance to the threats and small arcs they're trying to convey. It was really hard to give a shit about Death Star 3.0 and everything surrounding it.
But yeah. I enjoyed it, even if I feel it could have been a lot better. I think it's a good stepping stone and I hope the subsequent episodes improve on the overall structure.
That's how I felt.
PHOENIXZERO
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I guess that could be possible.
That seemed more like it was directed at his training with Yoda on Dagobah with Vader not knowing of Yoda's involvement though Obi-Wan is present too. I'm pretty sure the first time Luke sees Obi-Wan's force ghost is when he's falling unconscious calling out to him. Unless the novelization said something that contradicts that.
Darth Karja
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Went again with a friend last night. Turns out he lied to me when he said he watched the movies. He had never seen one. He was disappointed because there were no At-Ats and big ground battles.
To the people asking how Rey was able to pilot the Millenium Falcon that elegantly, its a Star Wars movie...
Cant believe how people consider ANH such devoid of similar plotholes and conviniences, when Luke , a farmer boy that his uncle and aunt made sure he was nowhere near anything to do with military, got inside an X Wing fighter in literally moments after his arrival at the Rebel base... Not only that he seemed 100% familiarized with every single instrument in there as if he was piloting that shit for ages...
Its Star Wars, somethings are just left to the Force... There is no logical explanation behind them, they are plain and simple plotholes that are best explained through the convenience of the Force as a narrative element.
Cant believe how people consider ANH such devoid of similar plotholes and conviniences, when Luke , a farmer boy that his uncle and aunt made sure he was nowhere near anything to do with military, got inside an X Wing fighter in literally moments after his arrival at the Rebel base... Not only that he seemed 100% familiarized with every single instrument in there as if he was piloting that shit for ages...
Its Star Wars, somethings are just left to the Force... There is no logical explanation behind them, they are plain and simple plotholes that are best explained through the convenience of the Force as a narrative element.
oh yeah, disappointed at the chrome stormtrooper
i mean you make her a female chrome stormtrooper badass and she didn't even do shit?
I bet there are a lot of Phasma scenes on the cutting room floor.
This is one film where an uncut version on BluRay will be VERY interesting.
SenorPopOff
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All Rey had to do was use force choke and she would have used every Jedi tool in the book from the first trilogy. It really undermined the training portion of becoming a Jedi. I don't see why she even needs to train with Luke.
Farm hick says he can make accurate precision shot under battle conditions because he blasted road kill when he was bored on saturdays.
Yeah, it's as weak a justification as it was when it came up earlier. Either that or that hole just wasn't all that difficult a shot.
Maybe so she can do it controlled an on purpose and not in a "I might die oh shit" moment where it could have been with the help of the force.
Because of OT fans "We don't love politics, it sucks, please don't explain the context, please be like OT"
Yep. As much as I'd like her to a descendant of "nobody", I'm pretty sure her ancestry plays a role. Her being left on Jakku was/is a big deal. She isn't just an orphan who's family lived and died on that backwater planet, she was left behind on purpose.
Combined with the jedi mind tricks she pulls off rather easily I'm pretty sure she had some preschool jedi training. Maybe she's a kenobi/skywalker/solo, maybe not - but she certainly is tied to Luke's academy and was hidden on jakku because of that Kylo-incident.
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Jest Chillin
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That doesn't mean that the entire Universe would remember and acknowledge the existence of Jedi. Even during the PT there were relatively few Jedi in comparison to the population of the entire Galaxy. Acknowledging the Jedi being instrumental in The Clone Wars still doesn't mean that everyone in the Galaxy would believe the stories about thier powers. Especially considering that TCW establishes that the most prominent Jedi involved earned military titles. General Kenobi, General Skywalker, etc...
She doesn't need to have a personal connection to be able to honor him enough to name her kid after him. Simply learning his role in saving her and Luke's lives as well as guiding Luke and Han to rescure her and continuing to mentor Luke even after he died is more than enough.
I mean I don't think it's that important with regards to the actions in the movie but the majority of it is actually mentioned in the opening crawl.
The point is that it's established in ANH that Luke is a skilled pilot who knows how to handle himself around any starship. The hole wasn't an impossible shot otherwise they would have never attempted it. The Force allowed him to let go of the technical instruments and trust his instincts. It's the equivalent to a gut shot.
Luke making the Death Star shot is not the same as immediately becoming better at saber fighting. As we saw in the OT Luke got his ass whooped by Vader precisely because he hadn't been trained in lightsaber combat very much and no amount of Force tapping was gong to save him.
Kölsch Bloot
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Excited to see this for the second time on Wednesday (seen the German dub last Thursday, this one is gonna be in English).
Well, this begs the question: Is she going to name ALL her kids after people who died for the rebellion cause? Because that's a fairly lengthy list.
Honestly, I just dislike the "Name your kid after dead person" thing. I think it's kinda creepy and in this case, it comes off as a pointless piece of fan-service.
The reason they attempted it was because the rebellion's choice was to either take it or roll over and die. They emphasize a lot how impossible the shot is that their computer systems can't make the target, but he does it after a single force lesson about a completely different thing. And I don't think star ships are a 'learn to operate one, learn to operate them all' sort of deal. I mean, you'd have to consider the different designs, weights, weapons, etc... And taking a shot in the backyard of your home and taking a shot while under fucking fire from an enemy military unit is a WORLD of difference.
I have no idea where you make the lightsaber connection, as I never mentioned that. I don't need to make the Rey comparison, because I consider Luke being able make said impossible shot through the force that he had one lesson in to be bullshit on it's own terms. This is also the second time you've taken a general thing I've said and seemed to apply it to a whole different argument I didn't make, the first instance from the other spoiler OT. Please stop that.
Uh before he even gets into an X wing it is established that Luke is a fine pilot (and mechanic as well). That's one of the first things Obi Wan mentions when he meets Luke, then it's mentioned again when they meet Han Solo and again at the rebel base. As for the mechanic bit, you see objects around in his room and you see him talk about the mechanism inside a droid when the first droid they buy fails, then again when he's in his room conversing with 3PO.
Not the film's fault if you didn't pick it up.
Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope.
I think the dude did enough to earn her kid's name.
Kölsch Bloot
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I'd have to see the movie again to be 100% certain, but didn't Rey mention something like this as well before she and Finn enter the Falcon?
Nope, it's all in the lines of Finn asking if Rey can pilot and Rey answers something like that "I think so"
Jest Chillin
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What the hell? Obi Wan was intimately instrumental in both her and Luke's survival. Period. He, along with her Father and Yoda, came up with and enacted the plan to fake their deaths and hide them away. Then, when she's in dire need of help after being captured by her then-evil birth father Darth Vader.. mentors Luke and Han and assists in her rescue and facilitates their escape at the cost of his own life.
Acting like Obi Wan was just another Red Shirt death in the battle against the Empire isn't even disingenuous. It's a special kind of blatant ignorance. I mean.. have you never seen the OT? Or the PT? For real though, I need an answer because your stance on this is super fucking weird.
I said this to a couple people:
John Boyega was a great actor in VII, but Finn wasn't that good of a character at all.
I just found that he panicked too much, was pretty incompetent, and wanted to jump in that Rey boat too hard.
I hope he evolves into a better character honestly.
Otherwise, the movie was fantastic, and despite the fact that I could nitpick it all day, it surprisingly exceeded my high expectations.
John Boyega was a great actor in VII, but Finn wasn't that good of a character at all.
I just found that he panicked too much, was pretty incompetent, and wanted to jump in that Rey boat too hard.
I hope he evolves into a better character honestly.
Otherwise, the movie was fantastic, and despite the fact that I could nitpick it all day, it surprisingly exceeded my high expectations.
I would be ok with them showing Luke mindtrick her into forgetting her early training to protect her
At least something to show how she is so proficient in the force
I don't say he was just a random redshirt. You're acting like I'm saying he was aboslutely no one to her. Obviously, that's not what is happening here. However, I'm also sure a lot of people died for her, probably a few of them she knew personally. This couldn't have been the first time someone she knew sacrificed themselves for their cause. I'm not saying Obiwan was just no one, but I firmly don't believe he was anyone especially unique to her from her lack of reaction to his death in ANH. So I find it odd that she'd name her kid just to honor some friend whose death she didn't seem all that broken up about in the first place.
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