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[diaspora]

A set-up for the next movie to become a bigger role without suddenly showing up out of nowhere. She has a HUGE grudge against Finn now. She'll be the Boba Fett of the new trilogy, being the main foil for the new "Finn Solo" we got.

Fucking everyone has a grudge against Finn. He's Ren's enemy at this point as much as Rey.

 

[ffejeromdiks]

So in Phasma did what exactly in the movie? Stood around, walked a few places, and spoke a handful of lines.

What was the point of this character?

You could say the same thing about Boba Fett, yet people have spent thousands on Fett merchandise for the past 30 years.

 

[antonz]

As we have discussed before, it can't all be canon, because lots of stuff from the prequels directly contradicts the original trilogy (and makes no sense).

E.g. the midiclorians-brainfart was such a terrible case of retconning that not even Lukas ever mentioned it again.

The force and midichlorians are in fact addressed further in the clone wars as is the role of the force living and cosmic.

 

[injurai]

It opens like Star Wars
Has a middle like Empire
Ends like Jedi.

Granted, Jedi is kinda similar to Star Wars, so similarities to that film can feel like similarities to Star Wars, but it's really a microcosm of the Original Trilogy in general, and not just Star Wars itself.

How is the middle like Empire? The invasion of the cantina is supposed to be like Hoth? The encounter of Rey and Ren is like the cloud city encounter? I can see it a bit, but on the other hand the middle was what feels distinctly new and unique to this film.

 

[sphagnum]

So in Phasma did what exactly in the movie? Stood around, walked a few places, and spoke a handful of lines.

What was the point of this character?

Phasma only honestly exists because they liked one particular piece of concept art for Kylo Ren and didn't want to discard it, so they shoved it in as a minor role. Unfortunately marketing ran with it because her design is awesome, and we all got hyped up for a big let down.

 

[TheWrathOfSean]

Just saw it for the first time. The ship in the opening shot looks like a giant middle finger!

 

[Boke1879]

A set-up for the next movie to become a bigger role without suddenly showing up out of nowhere. She has a HUGE grudge against Finn now. She'll be the Boba Fett of the new trilogy, being the main foil for the new "Finn Solo" we got.

He's got a target on his back now.

 

[xxracerxx]

The lightsaber should have flown out of Rey's hand as a closer.

 

[Klyka]

Fucking everyone has a grudge against Finn. He's Ren's enemy at this point as much as Rey.

He is, but he needs a foil of his level of abilities and Phasma fits better because Finn ain't no Jedi.

 

[foxuzamaki]

So I'm like 98% sure on it but I want confirmation, did the movie basically confirm that Rey is luke's daughter?

 

[Cheech]

"Good" is subjective.

Personally I really liked it, but you cannot just claim it was "good" like it's fact. A lot of people may have different opinions on that.

Anyone who doesn't like it is an outlier at this point. And statistically, outliers are eliminated.

Being a devil's advocate here, obviously, but I think "it's good" is not really a controversial statement at this point.

 

[Ishida]

E.g. the midiclorians-brainfart was such a terrible case of retconning that not even Lukas ever mentioned it again.

What do midichlorians retcon, exactly? They affect absolutely nothing. The Force is still The Force. It is still mysterious and supernatural. So what exactly do midichlorians ruin or retcon?

Anyone who doesn't like it is an outlier at this point. And statistically, outliers are eliminated.

Being a devil's advocate here, obviously, but I think "it's good" is not really a controversial statement at this point.

I'm not talking about being controversial. I'm talking about not being objective. I find this movie to be pretty divisive, actually.

 

[DarkHeartedKill]

I knew about Ren being Han and Leia's son as well as him killing Han, but for a second I thought he would turn good. That is good story telling and acting. It was as executed as well as I hoped. It could have been corny or bad, instead it had me fighting back tears. It hurt, even though I knew it was coming.

I understand why people say TPM is better than AOTC. I understand that it's structure might be better, but I really can't stand Jar Jar, poop and fart jokes in Star Wars, the Nemodians as villans(loved seeing Anakin fucking kill them on Mustafar), and Jake Lloyd. All three prequel films have the most cringe inducing moments, but I find that I cringed more in TPM than even in AOTC and the corny love scenes.

Yeah me too! I thought he was gonna ruthlessly kill him. When he gave him the lightsaber part of me was like "O thank God, that spoiler was bullshi-" then he killed him and I was like shit man...

Yeah poop jokes were a bit much. Him just going ham on those guys "We were promised peace!" -slash- The love scenes o god that was horrendous. This shit made me cringe the most.

Also, him being a super creep and touching her back, talking about sand, talking about how he kept dreaming about her, basically every moment where he talked about her, talked with her, was around her, etc.

 

[Eidan]

She was perfect until she opened her mouth.
For a scavenger she sounded very posh.

Oops not Ren I mean Rey

Insanity. Daisy Ridley was amazing.

 

[sphagnum]

So I'm like 98% sure on it but I want confirmation, did the movie basically confirm that Rey is luke's daughter?

No, but it would thematically make sense.

 

[bananafactory]

So I'm like 98% sure on it but I want confirmation, did the movie basically confirm that Rey is luke's daughter?

I thought Maz made it clear she is not his daughter. There was nothing there that lead me to think they're related

 

[sappyday]

He's got a target on his back now.

Didn't he always since he escaped the order

 

[Brakke]

It opens like Star Wars
Has a middle like Empire
Ends like Jedi.

Granted, Jedi is kinda similar to Star Wars, so similarities to that film can feel like similarities to Star Wars, but it's really a microcosm of the Original Trilogy in general, and not just Star Wars itself.

Yeah killing Starkiller is more like Jedi than Star Wars. Ground team to disable shield, flying into the superstructure not just sending a missile in, the hero desperately evacuating dragging a limp body.

 

[MisterHero]

Phasma will be going around killing Resistance fighters with her blaster until Finn pokes a hole in her jetpack

He may or may not be Force-sensitive, but he enjoys holding a saber anyways lol

 

[More_Badass]

Is it explained in the novelization how Phasma escaped the trash compactor before the planet exploded?

 

[diaspora]

He is, but he needs a foil of his level of abilities and Phasma fits better because Finn ain't no Jedi.

Spoiler

not yet

Spoiler

pls

 

[Klyka]

Btw, I didn't mind the 3D much and thought it was barely noticeable but one scene stood out to me completely and I wonder if anyone else saw it like I did:

The scene where it shows the First Order Star Destroyer straight from the front.
It was like it was fully hovering in the theater room, I swear for a second I had to stop myself from lifting my hand and trying to grab the front tip.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

How is the middle like Empire?

In the middle of Empire, our hero goes to a green planet, meets a tiny wise sage strong in the Force, descends into the earth, has a disturbing vision that causes them to flee.

 

[HIGH DEF JEFF]

So in Phasma did what exactly in the movie? Stood around, walked a few places, and spoke a handful of lines.

What was the point of this character?

To shut the Death Star's shields off like a little bitch.

 

[Christine]

O yeah when he get's the news about the pilot escaping(I think?). Then he just goes calm "Anything else...?"

I love this bit, him putting back on the composure as if he hadn't just had an angry tantrum. He's trying so hard, but he just can't manage to duplicate Vader's cold control over the anger.

 

[Klyka]

Is it explained in the novelization how Phasma escaped the trash compactor before the planet exploded?

Garbage truck emptied the compactor and flew off with her to the planet Dumpobah

 

[sn00zer]

Can we talk about the storm troopers getting a huge upgrade? Actually being people made them far more formidable and scary.

 

[More_Badass]

Didn't he always since he escaped the order

But now it's personal

Maybe Phasma will be like a ronin. A rogue disgraced stormtrooper captain with a sole mission to hunt down the person who ruined her

 

[Brakke]

The lightsaber should have flown out of Rey's hand as a closer.

It's crazy that they don't interact.

I'm saying, next movie starts right there. "So... Do you talk first or me?".

 

[IdreamofHIME]

So in Phasma did what exactly in the movie? Stood around, walked a few places, and spoke a handful of lines.

What was the point of this character?

She was there to tell them where to set the bombs. Its that simple.
She's a walking-talking plot device.
Shes female and chrome, so that She's different and easier for audiences to identify and remember and she has beef with Finn so he will choose her to extract the location from.
Marketing hyped her up in ways she was never supposed to be, can't blame JJ for that.

 

[Prototype]

Toy bait.

Unless she actually becomes a major threat in the sequels.

Ya I figured as much.

It's kinda lame because she appeared in the previews and I thought there was going to be at least some kind of exploration of the character. Or at least a badass fight showing that she is not just a storm trooper with silver armor

You could say the same thing about Boba Fett, yet people have spent thousands on Fett merchandise for the past 30 years.

Uh non you can't.

Boba Fett actually did things, like Capture Han Solo.

Phasma did NOTHING except cave in and turn the planets shield off. Didn't even fight back.

 

[knitoe]

This is my out of nowhere theory.

Ren met Rey and her parents, whether by accident or on a mission, when she was a kid. Something happens and he thinks they were all killed due to him. Ren is left questioning himself, the Jedi training and turns to the dark side. In Ep 8, he will find out Rey is the little girl alive and she will help him on the road to turning back.

 

[sphagnum]

Can we talk about the storm troopers getting a huge upgrade? Actually being people made them far more formidable and scary.

Stormtroopers were always non-clones. Unless you just mean that we got to know one for once.

 

[keltickennedy]

The lightsaber should have flown out of Rey's hand as a closer.

Yeah, then Luke looks at the camera and winks. It would of been awesome!!

Nah, I thought the ending was sweet as is.

 

[foxuzamaki]

Yeah phasma was wasted potential, I was expecting some cool ass Boba fett/Jango fett moments from her but we never actually got to see how she got in the position she is in.

 

[Ishida]

Ya I figured as much.

It's kinda lame because she appeared in the previews and I thought there was going to be at least some kind of exploration of the character. Or at least a badass fight showing that she is not just a storm trooper with silver armor

Well, she survives, so I guess we can still watch her become a badass in the next films.

Her appearance in this movie was trash, though.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

When the fire the starkiller the first time, why is the sun out? I thought it drained the sun and when it got completely dark, they fired.

 

[DarkHeartedKill]

Can we talk about the storm troopers getting a huge upgrade? Actually being people made them far more formidable and scary.

Weren't they actual people in the OT? I thought after AotC cloning became too expensive so they were just like Hey, all humans that wanna be part of the empire, sign up! Or, they kidnapped em and trained them like in TFA.

 

[CreepingFear]

Phasma is the new Boba Fett. I'm sure she'll get more time later. Her not having that much time did not bug me. I think they setup a history for Finn and Her to bring up later on. I really hope that they do go in a different direction in Episode 8. If they follow some sort of ESB template and have Rey leave her training to save Finn and Poe, I'll get off the bandwagon. I really hope not.

 

[injurai]

The lightsaber should have flown out of Rey's hand as a closer.

I agree. I was anticipating that the whole time. Part of me wanted him to gently transfer it over to his hand. Demonstrating at least in some part a mastery over the force that he had never been seen with.

 

[jstripes]

They could have done better is all I'm saying.

-the Galaxy has a New Republic but they don't explore that

Do we really want more boring political expository dialogue like in the prequels?

Remember, in the OT, very little is explained about the Empire itself.

-Han was doing squat ever since he lost the Falcon. He should've never lost the Falcon. the Junk Freighter looked cool, but it's not for Han

What? Han's been double-crossing people left and right. Two gangs track him down at the same time in the movie.

-Leia is still a general 30 years later and still fighting the same fight.

It's a different fight. She's not fighting the Empire, but rather the scrappy remains of the Empire. The Republic has her at arm's length, probably because they don't want to do it themselves and they perceive them as a smaller threat than they are.

-Han and Leia's reunion dialogue is generic rubbish. Where's the romance from the Original Trilogy? Did all the important stuff happen off-screen? Why are we watching in the first place?

Ya, the romance probably wore off pretty quickly. Han isn't the kind of guy to settle down. It's been 30 years, after all. Plenty of time for them to lose their passion.

-Luke was missing because Mark Hamill wasn't finished getting in shape (I understand this one, I guess)

Luke failed in what he wanted to do, and went into exile.

-R2 shut down since Luke left

R2D2 got super-depressed over what happened with Luke and Kylo.

Basically all the beloved characters did nothing for 30 years.

Nothing?

Luke tried and failed. Han decided the family life wasn't for him and kept smuggling. Leia became the leader of an organization tracking down and suppressing the enemy of the new Republic.

 

[injurai]

In the middle of Empire, our hero goes to a green planet, meets a tiny wise sage strong in the Force, descends into the earth, has a disturbing vision that causes them to flee.

Ah, yes.

 

[Korey]

Really? I thought it was scarier that he just a guy. Not some sort of deformed scary looking creature as siths tend to be. Its easier to think that "oh some scarred up freak or red eyed monster guy is a bad guy", but him just being a normal looking person hits that nerve of the darkside can get to anyone.

No, he was miscast.

It's like if he took off his mask and it was Michael Cera with black hair. Same thing. Totally took me out of the movie and a lot of people I talked to felt the same.

Dude looks like Andy Samberg.

Having Andy Samberg as your new Sith guy is a poor choice, imo.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Rey being luke's daughter, outside of fitting the theme, would only make sense in that her family left when she was young so she doesn't remember them, the lightsaber calling out to her, and that's basically it. And even the latter could be used as "you have a strong connection with the force". Same with Luke's face when he saw her. It could have just been a mix of emotions of being found, and seeing a young force sensitive person holding his lightsaber.

I do hope they give her a double staffed lightsaber. she's already used to a similar weapon.

 

[sphagnum]

Do we really want more boring political expository dialogue like in the prequels?

Yes, especially because that stuff wasn't boring.

 

[Boke1879]

This may be me thinking way too much into it but Kylo definitely has a more personal reason to hate Finn and even Rey. Jealousy.

Him entering Rey's mind and figuring out she views him as a father figure. Solo and Finn coming to rescue her.... I don't know. Just something that popped in my head.

 

[aliengmr]

So in Phasma did what exactly in the movie? Stood around, walked a few places, and spoke a handful of lines.

What was the point of this character?

So you wouldn't be confused why a crazy chrome Stormtrooper is really pissed off at Finn in the sequels?

Everyone is aware there are at least 2 more movies coming out yes?

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

Just got back from seeing it. It was a good movie. Not great, but good. I'd put it just after RotJ as the 4th best film in the franchise.

I thought I would've been more sad to see Han die than I actually was. But if Chewbacca had bit the dust, I would've been weeping like a baby. I like Rey, but still need to understand:

1. How Finn didn't get utterly wrecked when fighting Kylo within 2 seconds
2. How someone with newly found Force powers could beat a guy with supposed Jedi training

He got shot by Chewie and he's been running around unchallenged since he's turned full darkside.

 

[Occam]

But I really can't remember any major clashing of information between the two trilogies.

Your memory must work like Lukas' then.

"1 - Age of the Republic. ANH: "A thousand generations" vs. AOTC: "a thousand years"

2 - AOTC/ROTS: All stormtroopers are clones of Jango Fett. OT: they have different heights and different voices... none of them sound like Temura Morrison.

3 - Size of the Clone Army. AOTC: States 1.2 million "units." By the OT, how can there be enough Stormtroopers to patrol the Galaxy if it takes 10 years to grow them and they age at 2x the normal rate?

4 - How can Leia remember her real mother (ROTJ), if not only was she born AFTER her twin Luke (ROTS), but Padme died in childbirth?

5 - When did Obi-Wan Kenobi serve Bail Organa during the Clone Wars? (ANH)

6 - Design of the Tantive IV (name not stated in movie, but Captain Antilles's ship), how does it change so radically in 20 years? (ROTS vs. ANH)

7 - Why doesn't R2D2 remember the past 20 years?

8 - Why did Ben Kenobi forget about Leia (ESB vs. ROTS)?

9 - When did Anakin demonstrate that he was "already a great pilot" when Obi-Wan "first knew him"? (ROTJ vs. TPM)

10 - When did Owen show any disagreement with Anakin, to the extent described by Obi-Wan? (ANH vs. AOTC/ROTS)

11 - Why does Yoda say that Jedi never use the Force for attack, but only 'knowledge and defense', and why does he disparage war/warriors? (ESB vs. AOTC/ROTS)

12 - Why was Luke "hidden" on Anakin's home planet, at the homestead of the family his mother married into and his last name not changed? (ROTS vs. ANH)

13 - Why doesn't Chewie react to Han Solo's bad-mouthing of the Jedi and the Force? (ANH vs. ROTS)

14 - Why doesn't R2D2 ever use his rocket boosters again? (AOTC/ROTS)

15 - Why did the first Death Star take twenty years to build, while the second, larger and more powerful station, was built in 1-3 years? (ROTS vs. ROTJ)

16 - When was it shown that Anakin was a "good man" and a "good friend" before he turned to the Dark Side? (ROTS vs. ANH/ROTJ)

17 - Why did Obi-Wan refer to Yoda as "The Jedi Master who instructed me" when he was instructed by Qui Gon Jinn? (TPM vs. ESB)

18 - Why does Yoda moan about Luke being "too old to begin the training" when Obi-Wan had no problem with it, and supposedly Yoda thought 9 year old Anakin was "too old"? (TPM vs. ANH/ESB)

19 - What happened to Jar Jar Binks?

20 - (Special Editions) Why does anyone on Tatooine care when the Empire falls?

21 - Why does Obi-Wan wear his Jedi uniform "in hiding" on Tatooine? (ANH vs. TPM/AOTC/ROTS)

22 - What happened to all the battle droids?

23 - Why isn't Luke able to stop the Emperor's lightning attack and why doesn't Yoda at least show him how to counter it? (ROTJ vs. AOTC/ROTS)

24 - If there are only always ever two Sith "no more, no less... a master and an apprentice" (TPM) why does Vader recommend that Luke could be turned into a "powerful ally" and the Emperor agrees he would be a "great asset"? (TPM vs. ESB)

25 - Why do Obi-Wan, Anakin, Owen and Beru appear so old if only 18-20 years have past since we last saw them? (ANH/ROTJ vs. ROTS)

26 - Why doesn't Admiral Motti seem aware of the reality of the Force and the power of those who wield it? (PT vs. ANH)

27 - What happened to the Imperial military in those two decades that they lost nearly all their hardware and technology? (ROTS vs. OT)

28 - Why doesn't Obi-Wan recognize the droids? (ANH vs. PT)

29 - Why doesn't Owen Lars recognize the droids? (ANH vs. AOTC)

30 - Why don't Luke or Leia ever find out that R2D2 knows everything about their past?

31 - Why doesn't Qui Gon Jinn appear as a spirit at the end of ROTJ? (see AOTC/ROTS)

32 - If one has to be "trained" to become a spirit after death, when did Anakin ever learn it? (ROTS vs. ROTJ)

33 - When did Anakin express the desire for his son to have his lightsaber when he was "old enough" (and if the Jedi are trained from birth, does that mean as a toddler? but since the Jedi aren't allowed to have children... then what?)?

34 - How many Wars were there? Why does Yoda refer to it as "the Clone War" instead of the "Clone WarS" (plural)? (AOTC vs. ANH)

35 - Why does Ben refer to Vader as "Darth" if that is a Sith title rather than a personal name? (see ANH)

36 - Was Vader really "but the learner" when he "left" Obi-Wan? (ANH vs. ROTS)

37 - Did Obi-Wan really stop going by that name (and start going by the name "Ben") "before" Luke was born? (ANH vs. ROTS)"
Source: http://www.chefelf.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6454

 

[snaffles]

The only thing that is really bothering me about the movie is Max Von Sydow's character being named Lor San Tekka. I can't help but feel it is meant to be a play on Lore Sans Technology, which just sounds lame.