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Sure, it would have just explained why he had a piece of map instead of just having it.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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They should have just made Vader into an immature, pouting, tantrum throwing brat who kills his loved ones due to the Dark side and doesn't look as threatening as you would have imagine without his mask and augmented voice, in order to please both sides.
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I don't disagree with any of this. All I'm saying is this isn't the first time Star Wars (the whole Thing not just the movies) has been a total pander-fest. A pander-fest is what I expect and indeed kind of want.
bananafactory
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One nice touch I noticed on my 3rd viewing is when Finn first uses the lightsaber
After his brief fight with the stormtrooper he gets knocked on his ass, and Harrison shows up and just oneshots the trooper with a blaster pistol. When the Resistance shows up and Finn gets the lightsaber back, he instantly just holsters it and decides to go back to using a gun. Like he's acknowledging that he doesn't really know how to wield or, or can't properly. I think he only does so against Kylo because it's all he has left at that point and is desperate to defend himself/Rey
After his brief fight with the stormtrooper he gets knocked on his ass, and Harrison shows up and just oneshots the trooper with a blaster pistol. When the Resistance shows up and Finn gets the lightsaber back, he instantly just holsters it and decides to go back to using a gun. Like he's acknowledging that he doesn't really know how to wield or, or can't properly. I think he only does so against Kylo because it's all he has left at that point and is desperate to defend himself/Rey
Okay, whoever replaces Williams better keep the Rey motif, because that theme has gotten embedded into my brain faster than I realized.
Hell, its prominent presence in the entire soundtrack makes me think this should be the secondary-main theme of this trilogy (OT had the Force theme, PT had Duel of Fates).
Hell, its prominent presence in the entire soundtrack makes me think this should be the secondary-main theme of this trilogy (OT had the Force theme, PT had Duel of Fates).
Pretty much the only character info about him is the fact he apparently knew Leia when she was still princess as he makes the comment he knew her when she was just royalty unlike Poe who knows her as General
I really hate everything about the starkiller base. If it were just a large death star then ok its uninspired, but nothing else about it makes a lick of sense, even within the star wars universe. Sipping up suns? Being able to see it from a solar system away on the ground? No one saw that shit getting made? How would it where 5 beams made from a sun go so accurately? Whats the point of even shooting sun beams, once you destroy a sun, the solar system is dead anyway. The death star worked cuz it was just 'a big laser base station' there was nothing complicated about it, the audience will give you a buy on that. A travelling sun destroying planet beam maker? Come on man.
Kylo Ren was so fucking creepy. That scene of him crouching down watching Rey wake up was creep city.
Lifejumper
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did anyone get that kylos name is a combination of skywalker and solo?
bananafactory
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It's also the music that plays during the credits, the final statement that "Hell yeah, this is REY'S movie"
BruceLeeRoy
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You know I keep thinking about Rey and her being a Mary Sue and how that is such a legitimate complaint but it really hasn't impacted my love of her character or the movie at all.
The whole scene with the reveal of the Millenium Falcon was just 11 year old giddiness bubbling over the surface. I didn't stop to ask how she was able to fly through a Star Destroyer with her limited skills or how she even got if off the ground I was just 100% in for the ride. I don't think that works without the power of nostalgia and love for the franchise coming over me but damnit I couldn't stop it and JJ was counting on that over and over. I understand why it didn't work for everyone but man it really did me.
The whole scene with the reveal of the Millenium Falcon was just 11 year old giddiness bubbling over the surface. I didn't stop to ask how she was able to fly through a Star Destroyer with her limited skills or how she even got if off the ground I was just 100% in for the ride. I don't think that works without the power of nostalgia and love for the franchise coming over me but damnit I couldn't stop it and JJ was counting on that over and over. I understand why it didn't work for everyone but man it really did me.
The opening crawl did that for you. He's an ally that that has a clue to the whereabouts to Luke.
What the visual dictionary does is just expand a bit on his background.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Yeah. I actually had a reaction in the back of mind going, "wait, how is she so good at piloting?" but really all that registered was, "this is rad."
CreepingFear
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Blargonaut
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Captain Phasma is actually 'Snoke'.
The whole 'Space Voldemort' hologram is a fake, it's merely an avatar she uses to conceal her true identity as the supreme leader of the First Order. She simply uses a voice-modulator when speaking through her 'Snoke' front.
She lowers Starkiller Base's shields for Finn and co. on purpose, because after blasting those New Republic planets, she no longer needs Starkiller Base. She allows the Resistance to destroy it to lure them into a false sense of security in victory, letting their guard down so that the First Order remnants and the Knights of Ren can continue their work unharried.
She will come back in the later Episodes and reveal her identity to Kylo Ren, and then they will continue on to complete his training, whilst Luke trains Rey.
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Captain Phasma is actually 'Snoke'.
The whole 'Space Voldemort' hologram is a fake, it's merely an avatar she uses to conceal her true identity as the supreme leader of the First Order. She simply uses a voice-modulator when speaking through her 'Snoke' front.
She lowers Starkiller Base's shields for Finn and co. on purpose, because after blasting those New Republic planets, she no longer needs Starkiller Base. She allows the Resistance to destroy it to lure them into a false sense of security in victory, letting their guard down so that the First Order remnants and the Knights of Ren can continue their work unharried.
She will come back in the later Episodes and reveal her identity to Kylo Ren, and then they will continue on to complete his training, whilst Luke trains Rey.
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The Technomancer
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Rey's not really a mary sue, her character is just too thin so all you notice is how awesome they want her to be
The old dude at the beginning is weird because the last line of the titles calls him "an old ally" which primes everyone to expect a call-back cameo it doesn't deliver.
Nah. The New Order bad guys are explicitly not Sith. They wouldn't take Darth titles. Unless Kylo grants one to himself because he's such a Vader fanboy.
Nah. The New Order bad guys are explicitly not Sith. They wouldn't take Darth titles. Unless Kylo grants one to himself because he's such a Vader fanboy.
Dice
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I expect his training will be some of the evilest shit (on a personal level, not to compare to world-destroying) ever seen in a Star Wars.
bigwinnerx
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Don't hate it.
chicko1983
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yeah, that was great. Creep city indeed.
There was some laughter in my cinema when he first took off his helmet. Im guessing if you hadn't been keeping up with star wars and who was billed to be in the film, and if you didn't know who Adam Driver is (he has not been in much of anything shown in Australia) then he would look funny.
This was posted in the threads discussing potential spoilers a few months ago.
I unfortunately had read that, and knew Kylo was going to be revealed as Han and Leia's son.
For the next movie they should just develop a second screen app so all the obsessives can instantly wiki everyone and everything on the screen. Maybe let people vote to pause the movie so they can absorb all dat backstory lol
VistraNorrez
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No way. The movie was a huge hit for a reason. It didn't need a sequel. It's the only one that truly stands alone.
She was great and I'm hoping and honestly expect in episode 8 we get a lot of exposition about her. Especially with her training with Luke. We'll find out a lot more about what happened at his academy.
I wouldn't be surprised if he outright starts calling himself Darth Vader, complete with a new replica Vader mask.
BruceLeeRoy
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Scientist Supreme!
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It really shouldn't. It's fine to like Mary/Gary sues but for some people like me it's problem.
Oh yeah forgot about that.
This is not even her final form.
lastplayed
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They should've called her Mary-Sue (Kenobi).
He also seems to be named after Obi Wan 🤔
This is a decent enough explanation of what I think of her.
The One and Done
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Poe and Finns first interaction provided more character development than the prequels combined. Phenomenal stuff.
Like it's been like this since the first movies were released. A LOT of exposition/backstory is told through supplementary material.
Lifejumper
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Anyone got the visual dictionary or artbook? Thinking about getting them.
Dubbedinenglish
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Ben Organa, Leia's adopted father. Obi-Wan has very little relevance for Han and Leia vs Luke.
CreepingFear
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People going to die from this page alone.
The Mary Sue discussion is so boring because it's a conversation about a label nobody really agrees on a definition for anyway. What if instead of devoting so much energy to fitting this character into a scheme we just discuss the character?
Guillermo deal Toro knows that "Mary Sue", as all things, exists on a spectrum. Whether the label "fits" or not doesn't really answer "was this a good or a bad character".
Instead of saying "Mary Sue" let's speak in complete thoughts maybe? Why pursue this shorthand if it doesn't actually help us communicate our ideas better than if we articulated them properly?
Guillermo deal Toro knows that "Mary Sue", as all things, exists on a spectrum. Whether the label "fits" or not doesn't really answer "was this a good or a bad character".
The Mary Sue controversy is like encountering an Orgasm Sheriff halfway through an Orgy, rating our joy on a 1-10 scale for our "own good"
A character's "Mary/Gary Sue-ness" is a sliding scale that enables a tone/genre narrative choice. Not a quality impediment.
https://twitter.com/realgdt/status/678475428139520000
A character's "Mary/Gary Sue-ness" is a sliding scale that enables a tone/genre narrative choice. Not a quality impediment.
https://twitter.com/realgdt/status/678475428139520000
Instead of saying "Mary Sue" let's speak in complete thoughts maybe? Why pursue this shorthand if it doesn't actually help us communicate our ideas better than if we articulated them properly?
His name is Bail Organa though.
It was probably part of the myth/myths that she heard. It's the same as if we saw Excalibur sticking out a rock. We don't think it's real, but we'd know what to do if we found out it was.
Gunslinger
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The scene that annoyed me the most is how the heck Rey knows about Jedi Mind Trick all of a sudden when 30 min ago in the movie she was thinking Jedi's were a myth. And now she knows Jedi mind trick? Made no sense to me.
lachesis
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took my 8yr old daughter for 8am viewing. We all loved it, and ended up clapping when the movie was over.
The movie, somehow felt really really compact. I mean it's not too long, but a lot of stuff packed in. At one point I thought when will this movie be over (not because of the boredom but somehow felt quite epic in scale even in the mid-movie).
Can't wait for Ep8! Great job, Disney & JJ Abrams!
The movie, somehow felt really really compact. I mean it's not too long, but a lot of stuff packed in. At one point I thought when will this movie be over (not because of the boredom but somehow felt quite epic in scale even in the mid-movie).
Can't wait for Ep8! Great job, Disney & JJ Abrams!
friskykillface
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Lando is Snoke
That's why he's not in force awakens
Lando the god
That's why he's not in force awakens
Lando the god
BruceLeeRoy
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Well I totally understand why its an issue and you and others have done well defending your points. The nostalgia is just too strong for me though. Which is so crazy because I was so done with this franchise.
he also saw what happened when poe tried shooting kylo ren.
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