[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up

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This will never happen, but what I would do to see Lucas's ideas for this film and Michael Arndst's. I already know about Lucas having the main characters be teens and the mains having only small cameos in Arndst's treatment.
 
ghst said:
the more i think about this film. the more i'm bummed out.

it really was a cross between a sequel and a reboot, stuffed with cheap homages and a plot that was more concerned with driving us between overly familiar set pieces than allowing the world and characters to breathe.

cheap, shallow and corporate.
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True, but it had laser swords tho
 
Toxi said:
Ugh. They shouldn't do a Plinkett review right after it comes out. These things need time.
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Agreed. they have to strike while the iron is hot, but they're still drunk on the hype

whatever, I know they're totally in the tank for JJ's schtick anyways even though this film commits a lot of the same sins they hammered the prequels for
 
Dice said:
How old is Kylo supposed to be? He only looks about 20. Did Han & Leia really wait 10 years to have a kid?
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Assuming the Force vision was chronological, little Rey is hauled off to Jakku when she's just a child, like somewhere in the 5-7 range, and she's definitely around 20 by the time of TFA. In that vision, Kylo is already really tall and murdering people so I'd put him at 15 at the youngest. So since somewhere between 10 - 15 years has passed since Rey was abandoned on Jakku, Kylo should be in his late twentiesish.
 
Spoiler thread is quickly becoming the nitpicking thread. I give GAF about a week until they declare this worse than the Phantom Menace. Stop over analyzing
 
BrokenFiction said:
I am really looking forward to seeing what Alexandre Desplat does with the Rogue One score.
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Me too. I think both he and Giacchino have done really good work interpreting previous scores (done by John Williams, no less) and building their own unique vision off of it.
 
TheXbox said:
He obviously doesn't but I'm a John Williams fanboy.

And frankly speaking I think people are being harsh on him. Like, holy shit, you guys, the score isn't even bad. It's fine. There's great fucking music in there. This guy puts out one subpar score, after four decades of making incredible music for Star Wars, and now people are ready to throw him under the bus. I'm not speaking to you, brandonh83, because I think we both like TFA soundtrack. Just people. ya'll make me sad
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Nah I gotcha and I like the score too but Michael Giacchino is amazing.
 
My daughter had never seen a Star Wars film before this.
She loved it.
Didn't complain about nods to the past at all btw.
 
Brakke said:
Nah. They had time to mourn if the script gave them time to mourn. Blasting seventeen trillion people and just cruising on is a bad choice the creators made.
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Well they went cruising on to stop the thing from killing seventeen trillion more people. The choice the creators made was to set up everything that will come after. Republic destroyed and the FO taking over. Mourning will be done in the second act where there will be more time to devote to the aftermath.

That's not to say they couldn't have done a little more but this wasn't intended to be the only SW movie. They clearly chose to focus more on characters than worldbuilding, and I think it was the right move.
 
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rhino4evr said:
Spoiler thread is quickly becoming the nitpicking thread. I give GAF about a week until they declare this worse than the Phantom Menace. Stop over analyzing
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You didn't appreciate the 5 pages of discussing BB-8 and clipping? Lol, this was when I had like 100 pages to catch up with. I'm like "stop this shit people".
 
sphagnum said:
Assuming the Force vision was chronological, little Rey is hauled off to Jakku when she's just a child, like somewhere in the 5-7 range, and she's definitely around 20 by the time of TFA. In that vision, Kylo is already really tall and murdering people so I'd put him at 15 at the youngest. So since somewhere between 10 - 15 years has passed since Rey was abandoned on Jakku, Kylo should be in his late twentiesish.
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Why do you think the Force Vision is memories of Rey's life and not, say, visions of the past and present lightsaber's path?
 
sphagnum said:
Assuming the Force vision was chronological, little Rey is hauled off to Jakku when she's just a child, like somewhere in the 5-7 range, and she's definitely around 20 by the time of TFA. In that vision, Kylo is already really tall and murdering people so I'd put him at 15 at the youngest. So since somewhere between 10 - 15 years has passed since Rey was abandoned on Jakku, Kylo should be in his late twentiesish.
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That vision was confusing as shit. I had zero assumptions that she was seeing Kylo killing people in her past rather than the force just revealing him as being a danger near her, especially since I knew (from trailers and bits of the film) the forest part was from the future. So are we meant to think she was a trainee of Luke that he saved from Kylo?

Brakke said:
Why do you think the Force Vision is memories of Rey's life and not, say, visions of the past and present lightsaber's path?
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Well it did show her as a little girl crying because her family was leaving.
 
Just saw it.

Weird movie. A lot of likeable things, but also a lot of weird things. There was nothing I outright hated, but I also can't say I loved it. Rey is a weird character, I really don't know if I liked her or not. Lots of mary sue-ing going on with her character, but Luke kinda had the same shtick.

Jon Boyega was a delight though. Finn had a lot of the best parts in the film.

Final thought for now: Wow, JJ Abrams actually put a LITERAL MYSTERY BOX in the film that, when opened, revealed the mysteries we'll face in the coming movies. I don't know whether to be impressed or disgusted.
 
ghst said:
the more i think about this film. the more i'm bummed out.

it really was a cross between a sequel and a reboot, stuffed with cheap homages and a plot that was more concerned with driving us between overly familiar set pieces than allowing the world and characters to breathe.

cheap, shallow and corporate.
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Man i wonder if comments like this are serious... they cant be right?
 
rhino4evr said:
Spoiler thread is quickly becoming the nitpicking thread. I give GAF about a week until they declare this worse than the Phantom Menace. Stop over analyzing
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I don't think it's nitpicking to say that this film is a horribly uninspired, by-the-numbers retread of the original trilogy that brings nothing new to the table and has hilariously miscast villains.


ghst said:
the more i think about this film. the more i'm bummed out.

it really was a cross between a sequel and a reboot, stuffed with cheap homages and a plot that was more concerned with driving us between overly familiar set pieces than allowing the world and characters to breathe.

cheap, shallow and corporate.
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Exactly. My score goes down the more I think about it. What a missed opportunity to bring something new to the Star Wars franchise.
 
Blargonaut said:
I also still stand by my deepest fanfic desire that that CQC moment should have been a Finn vs. Phasma fight, not Finn vs. random goon.

While the hint that the random goon was once an acquaintance of Finn was pretty good, that scene was the perfect opportunity for a good display of Phasma's capability, as she was sorely underutilized throughout.
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That's also true! Phasma might have fought him there and gotten injured rather than killed.
 
rhino4evr said:
Spoiler thread is quickly becoming the nitpicking thread. I give GAF about a week until they declare this worse than the Phantom Menace. Stop over analyzing
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most people thought they liked the phantom menace at first though, even indy 4 went down well enough at first. it takes a while for these things to settle.

episode vii is about on a par with prometheus personally.
 
Dice said:
That vision was confusing as shit. I had zero assumptions that she was seeing Kylo killing people in her past rather than the force just revealing him as being a danger near her, especially since I knew (from trailers and bits of the film) the forest part was from the future. So are we meant to think she was a trainee of Luke that he saved from Kylo?

Well it did show her as a little girl crying because her family was leaving.
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We're meant to be not sure what that was all about.
 
What do you guys think of that scene with Poe Dameron destroying all those Tie Fighters in frame while Finn's screaming "Woohoo!"?

Lunar15 said:
Final thought for now: Wow, JJ Abrams actually put a LITERAL MYSTERY BOX in the film that, when opened, revealed the mysteries we'll face in the coming movies. I don't know whether to be impressed or disgusted.
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Just like George Lucas did in Episode IV. It was planned that way man.
 
Korey said:
I don't think it's nitpicking to say that this film is a horribly uninspired, by-the-numbers retread of the original trilogy that brings nothing new to the table and has hilariously miscast villains.




Exactly. My score goes down the more I think about it. What a missed opportunity to bring something new to the Star Wars franchise.
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It was 100% totally inspired.
 
videodyssey said:
What do you guys think of that scene with Poe Dameron destroying all those Tie Fighters in frame while Finn's screaming "Woohoo!"?
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It was fucking sweet.

Hanging out in this thread you do start to notice the same people nitpicking and they pick something new after the last thing is talked to death. It's almost like they are trying to recruit people to their point of view.
 
rhino4evr said:
Spoiler thread is quickly becoming the nitpicking thread. I give GAF about a week until they declare this worse than the Phantom Menace. Stop over analyzing
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Well...what are we supposed to do? Do 400 pages of one sided puff piece writing?
 
videodyssey said:
What do you guys think of that scene with Poe Dameron destroying all those Tie Fighters in frame while Finn's screaming "Woohoo!"?
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That one scene did a better job of portraying Poe as an amazing pilot than all of the prequels' attempts to show Anakin as the "best starpilot in the galaxy". Fuck, Poe is awesome.
 
Korey said:
Exactly, lol.

His character was ruined the moment he took off the helmet. He's a joke now. People were literally laughing when that happened.
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No it wasn't.

It's Leia and Han's kid
You aren't supposed to feel the same way like you would toward Prime Darth Vader or Darth Maul.

I think JJ wants you to try his hand at showing you the process of a [wannabe] jedi crossing over to the darkish. Hopefully he succeeds where Lucas and the Prequels didn't.
 
I see the Prometheus parallel, Ep 7 definitely has a very Prometheus vibe with me now that you mention it. (in addition to the obvious ST 09/ID vibe) the surface level shit is slick and well done enough, but there's just not enough underneath it all to sustain it for me. way too obsessed with rehashing the same beats to carve its own identity. but I never hated Prometheus as much as most people and I never loved this movie (or any of JJ's stuff) as much as most either
 
I saw this twice on opening night. The first in IMAX 3d. Overall, the 3d was done well, but since I had a side seat, it looked like the opening scroll was over to the right and crooked. Just a result from the 3d. The Warcraft trailer looked awesome in 3d. It made me want to get Nvidia 3d vision glasses and play WOW on my G-sync monitor. Back to the Star Wars 3d... It was most pretty well done. I've heard that post 3d conversion has made some strides, and it certainly appears like it did. There was a shot of a Star Destroyer that felt like the Star Destroyer was going to poke you in the eye. My problem is that sometimes the ships flying across screen would look real small in 3d. The thing that really made the IMAX 3d was the sound was outstanding! I saw it in 2d two hours after and the sound didn't have that oommpfff! I should add that I saw it on a real IMAX screen in Irvine, not a Liemax screen.
 
rhino4evr said:
Spoiler thread is quickly becoming the nitpicking thread. I give GAF about a week until they declare this worse than the Phantom Menace. Stop over analyzing
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Yeah I've stopped reading this very often. People just looking for any little thing to complain about.
 
videodyssey said:
What do you guys think of that scene with Poe Dameron destroying all those Tie Fighters in frame while Finn's screaming "Woohoo!"?
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Loved that. Kinetic and exhilarating. That's the sort of thing that wouldn't (couldn't) have happened in Star Wars Classic but definitely fit in a Funtime Heroes kind of way.
 
Man, Captain Phasma was a real punk. Easily worst part of the entire movie. That a hardcore stormtrooper elite like that would just roll over and put down the shields without a fight was easily the most unbelievable part of the movie.
 
videodyssey said:
What do you guys think of that scene with Poe Dameron destroying all those Tie Fighters in frame while Finn's screaming "Woohoo!"?
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It was pretty badass but Finn stopping to fanboy while in mortal danger on the ground was a bit much. I get that they wanted to show Finn gained renewed faith in Poe being alive by watching it so as to go looking for him later on, but the execution on that line was a little awkward.

johnsmith said:
Man, Captain Phasma was a real punk. Easily worst part of the entire movie. That a hardcore stormtrooper elite like that would just roll over and put down the shields without a fight was easily the most unbelievable part of the movie.
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"The Empire lost two death stars by exploiting a key weakness, and the latter after lowering shields over that weakness, but here you go I'll lower the shields because we're too badass to be taken down like that."

The high treason will be her big secret in the next film, I suppose.
 
ghst said:
the worst thing is you know deep down i'm right. it's sitting there like a gall stone in your soul, waiting for the excruciating moment when it claws its way to the surface.
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I'm saving this line for Lucasfilm to use in Episode IX
 
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