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[bananafactory]

Apparently we're not supposed to believe her until she shows us her logged hours. Go figure.

Yeah I wanna see receipts from her. Poe too. He says he's the best pilot the resistance has but how do I know he's not just the kitchen cook?

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

Now see, I'm going to be anal here and say that your comparison between sand-sledding and piloting the Millennium Falcon isn't really a fair counter towards the desire for more explanation by the movie

The sledding bit was entirely self-explanatory; planetary desert, inhabitants adapt means of transportation for sand dunes, sliding is fast, gotta go fast, whatever

But regarding the Falcon moves she pulled off; where did the knowledge to do that come from? The movie says that she's a scavenger, she picks apart DECEASED ships for spare parts to trade for instant bread

Scavenging vehicles for parts does not equate to knowledge of how to operate those parts as a collective

The farthest you can infer between her being a scavenger of dead ships and her having professional-tier flying skills, is that she's learned to know what's monetarily valuable inside those dead ships by equating the parts' necessity for operation and purpose with how much the junkers are willing to pay for them; that and her probably finding some manuals during her junking satisfyingly explains her engineering know-how, BUT THAT DOESN'T EXPLAIN HOW SHE KNOWS HOW TO FLY IT

MAINTENANCE SKILLS =/= PILOT SKILLS

Hence why I wish the flight-sim stuff was at least briefly shown

Anyway, this is all futile

Ive seen the movie twice now.

After the battle in the desert, Rey and Fin run toward each other complimenting each other. It sounds like she mentioned sim training in that moment, but its hard to make out because the are talking over each other.

10+ years of playing the same game. You'll definitely get some Platinum trophies if the training bit is true.

 

[Brakke]

And Finn was a Stormtrooper

It stands to reason that he had some training in operating turreted weapons

He literally hasn't. Poe teaches him during their escape.

This equipment isn't arcane tho. They have UX designers in space, dudes.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Apparently we're not supposed to believe her until she shows us her logged hours. Go figure.

What's her avg kdr in Battlefront yo

 

[Admiral Woofington]

If I could describe how I feel about his character, the word would be "anxious". As in, I just have anxiety about what the future holds for him.

Right now, I don't really have any clue what they're trying to do with him. People keep saying "Han" but I don't see it at all.

Will he continue to be second lead? I went into this expecting him to be the star of the B-Story (Rey obviously will carry the A-story). Now, I'm not sure what to think. Ending the film in a coma is such a bizarre choice.

Should have given him flight skills, and the falcon at the end.

I'm anxious too. Because I really loved his charm, but I don't know what they could possibly do with his character next film outside of being a lackey to either Poe or Rey, and that would be unfair to a character with such potential.

I mean I honestly wouldn't be against him being force sensitive

 

[OricWindstar]

Yeah the downside of Finn being away from Rey is that all of their scenes were pretty fun.

The upside is that Finn and Poe became bros like hilariously fast. The bond of men knows no bounds.

I wouldn't mind if in the next film he wakes up and becomes his copilot/sidekick as they do missions. Maybe he learns to fly an x-wing. Because there really isn't anybody in there to teach him shooting, he's already ok at that. I mean when he wasn't running or attempting shit he wasn't good at, he was competent really.

God I loved Finn's character. Charming motherfucker.

Dude gave him his name. That's bro status for LIFE.

I love that Poe is like the school quarterback who gets along with everyone. He'll just as easily hang out with a geek as he will a jock.

 

[MassiveNights]

She says she is a pilot plus her introduction basically shows she is obsessed with the concept with the helmet and the x-wing pilot doll.

Like what more do people want?

 

[foxuzamaki]

Yeah the downside of Finn being away from Rey is that all of their scenes were pretty fun.

The upside is that Finn and Poe became bros like hilariously fast. The bond of men knows no bounds.

I wouldn't mind if in the next film he wakes up and becomes his copilot/sidekick as they do missions. Maybe he learns to fly an x-wing. Because there really isn't anybody in there to teach him shooting, he's already ok at that. I mean when he wasn't running or attempting shit he wasn't good at, he was competent really.

God I loved Finn's character. Charming motherfucker.

i actually seriously hope he becomes a jedi with rey, even if he's not as good as her, the more jedis the better

 

[randomengine]

Do you think this should have been how Finn was written and how he fits into the mythology?

Now the main narrative problem is that you need Solo and Organa in the thick of things - because of the central conceit. I understand that, but here is how you could accomplish that - Make Finn Solo's apprentice and surrogate son, someone who took over the smuggling business after the falling out with Kylo Ren. This creates natural tension between Ren and Finn and ties Finn into the mythology rather than just being some joke character that was in the right place at the right time. Finn's goofiness could be explained by being Solo's apprentice and Finn being the only person dumb enough to take orders from Solo - Finn is loyal to the old man. What a terribly wasted opportunity.

 

[MisterHero]

Pretty hard to come back from getting gutted by a light saber, falling down a giant hole, which then the planet collapses, explodes, then becomes a star.

To be fair, Han's death really reminded me of Luke's fall in Cloud City / first meeting with Vader. So who really knows.

Darth Maul got sliced in half and he survived

so why not

 

[Frog-fu]

But that's not how the force works!

Spoiler

/s

Who says she can only do certain things? One of the the hallmarks of learning to use the force is just learning to use the force. She clearly shows a talent at learning and understanding things in a concise logical manner. She merely applied that to the force. She learned to resist Ren and get into his head, then applied that to the guard. She did the same fighting Ren again. She's having a problem fighting Ren and uses the force to eke out a win. All you are doing is applying some random metric for jedi power, which is a PT way of looking at it.

Keep in mind it wasn't only the wound holding Ren back, he just killed his father. He hits that wound to stay angry, highlighting a weakness rarely touched on in the darkside, which is it really requires intense emotions to maintain that power. You need to be 100% a total dick to be powerful. Ren was phoning it in. He was conflicted even before killing Han. Then there's the fact the force bully is facing another force user.

Literally everything in canon up until that point suggests that she shouldn't have been able to do the things she was doing. That's why it stands out as a glaring problem for so many. To myself and many others, Rey learned how to sprint before she could walk.

Ren committed to the Dark Side by killing Han. If there was a moment of weakness, it was when Chewie shot him - which was something he should have been able to defend himself against. After that, he wasted no time in hunting down Rey and Finn and confronting them. The fanciful choreography he maintains even then suggests that he wasn't compromised mentally. He was still capable of fighting, and did so deliberately with Finn, and with enough patience to hold back against Rey to recruit her. I am sure Ren will be processing killing Han in the sequels, but he had it bottled away at that point.

Vader, Palpatine, Dooku and Maul were all powerful Dark Side users and they didn't need to stay angry. They just needed to channel their hate. Ren was angry when he confronted Finn and Rey, he didn't need to make himself any angrier. He was already pissed off.

 

[Rootbeer]

Pablo Hidalgo ‏@pablohidalgo 11m11 minutes ago
@minion_tale It does move. Not as far as the Death Star needs to, since it can fire across the galaxy. But it needs to get to new stars.
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Pablo talking about Starkiller Base and that it is mobile, not stationary.

 

[bananafactory]

She says she is a pilot plus her introduction basically shows she is obsessed with the concept with the helmet and the x-wing pilot doll.

Like what more do people want?

Top Gun Danger Zone intro music video feat. Rey

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Darth Maul got sliced in half and he survived

so why not

Darth maul is not an old ass human lol

 

[JTripper]

Darth Maul got sliced in half and he survived

so why not

Snoke = Maul confirmed

 

[Dice]

Aside from the wound, I do think Ren is in serious self conflict in that scene. I think that is why he tries to lure her instead of kill her, because he doesn't want to kill her and isn't really trying. Killing his dad didn't make everything right, and now he realizes he doesn't know what right is. He thinks the dark side is where the power is at, but then why could she resist him so? He was filled with doubt and had no focus or confidence on his own control of the dark side. His super powers in it earlier were when he had the mask on, too. Something about wearing it seems to help him believe it.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

That's why Luke gave her a "what the fuck are you doing here" look at the end scene.

I dunno. Luke looked dumb enough that I thought it was more of a "Where am I?" Look

 

[Bobby Roberts]

This has never been a thing in Star Wars until now. Luke never had a hidden power up that he could've used against Vader in Empire. .

Luke never actually tried to calm his ass down and listen to the Force during that fight, either.

In fact, he wasn't even supposed to have gone there in the first fuckin place.

Who knows if he'd actually managed to compose himself with the amount of control Rey had during her fight with a much weaker Force user. He managed to get over on Vader a couple times (kicked him off a ledge, caught him on the shoulder - like Finn!) even in that heightened, semi-panicked state. It's hard to say Luke didn't have a hidden power-up, because Luke never tried. He ran headlong into that fight with not much more than a bunch of eager self-righteousness and an underlying thirst for revenge (which is not the Jedi way, of course) and caught an asswhipping when he didn't chill out and listen to the Force.

Which is really all Yoda was trying to teach him to do anyway. Chill out and LISTEN to what the Force is telling you. Don't fight it. Just let it in.

Which is what Rey did.

 

[MattyG]

She says she is a pilot plus her introduction basically shows she is obsessed with the concept with the helmet and the x-wing pilot doll.

Like what more do people want?

but how do we know she isnt just a fake resistance pilot fan.

name 5 resistance pilots rey.

 

[Toxi]

Yeah, let's get specific here. Luke's swordplay was not up to the challenge in ESB. Vader demolished Luke and could've done so without throwing furniture at him, but wanted to humiliate Luke and show him how weak he was compared to Vader. This was after Yoda, the most powerful Jedi we've seen, was teaching him for weeks or months. By some amount of time after ESB (a few years probably?) Luke has trained enough where he had finally become a true Jedi master with the lightsaber (in terms of his technique and skills with the saber) and was able to defeat Vader.

By comparison, Rey meditates on the Force for a few moments and is suddenly as technically proficient at the lightsaber as Luke was in ROTJ. The Force just doesn't work like that. It doesn't download skills to you like The Matrix.

Rey is a better melee fighter than Luke pre-Jedi. Luke gets easily knocked out by a Tusken Raider, Rey takes out two street thugs with her staff.

 

[OricWindstar]

Luke never actually tried to calm his ass down and listen to the Force during that fight, either.

In fact, he wasn't even supposed to have gone there in the first fuckin place.

Who knows if he'd actually managed to compose himself with the amount of control Rey had during her fight with a much weaker Force user. He managed to get over on Vader a couple times (kicked him off a ledge, caught him on the shoulder - like Finn!) even in that heightened, semi-panicked state. It's hard to say Luke didn't have a hidden power-up, because Luke never tried. He ran headlong into that fight with not much more than a bunch of eager self-righteousness and an underlying thirst for revenge (which is not the Jedi way, of course) and caught an asswhipping when he didn't chill out and listen to the Force.

Which is really all Yoda was trying to teach him to do anyway. Chill out and LISTEN to what the Force is telling you. Don't fight it. Just let it in.

Which is what Rey did.

Fucking preach, brother.

 

[Toa TAK]

What's her avg kdr in Battlefront yo

Ha ha.

 

[Professor Lich]

Darth Maul got sliced in half and he survived

so why not

Damnit, I forgot about that too. Just have Han come back as a horrifying robot/human hybrid since I thought Ford didn't want to be Han anymore.

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

the planet imploded tho lol

Pretty hard to come back from getting gutted by a light saber, falling down a giant hole, which then the planet collapses, explodes, then becomes a star.

To be fair, Han's death really reminded me of Luke's fall in Cloud City / first meeting with Vader. So who really knows.

We know Captain Phasma survived the garbage dump despite the planet imploding, right? Hey, I'm just broaching the possibility that Ren completely his training = torturing the piss out of his single kidney father.

 

[greatestjediever]

Maybe Rey had a moment like this

as a kid and Luke noped the fuck out and dumped her on Jakku.

I guess you can call her the Reynmaker

 

[bananafactory]

Damnit, I forgot about that too. Just have Han come back as a horrifying robot/human hybrid since I thought Ford didn't want to be Han anymore.

Snoke is Han. He survived, lived long enough to master the dark side of the Force, then travelled back in time to get Revenge on his friends who let him die

 

[LookAtMeGo]

I guess you can call her the Reynmaker

Heyoooh!

 

[Admiral Woofington]

i actually seriously hope he becomes a jedi with rey, even if he's not as good as her, the more jedis the better

I mean shit, redeeming Kylo seems far fetched seeing how he killed a bunch of villagers and killed his own father in cold blood. The most he could do is redeem himself a little bit at the end as his mother holds him in her arms and says she forgives and loves him before he dies, ala Luke and Vader.

So yeah, I do hope Finn realizes he's force sensitive or something else that makes him stand out. I just don't want him to be a joke.

 

[Haribi]

You know what would be cool? A Knights of Ren Netflix miniseries

 

[JTripper]

You know what would be cool? A Knights of Ren Netflix miniseries

Seriously waiting for that comic series to exist.

 

[quesalupa]

It seems that Vader is a pretty big motivator for Kylo so why doesn't force Anakin just pop up and tell Kylo that he turned to the light side?

 

[Opto]

Ignoring the details given to us, are we sure Finn was a storm trooper

 

[bananafactory]

I mean shit, redeeming Kylo seems far fetched seeing how he killed a bunch of villagers and killed his own father in cold blood. The most he could do is redeem himself a little bit at the end as his mother holds him in her arms and says she forgives and loves him before he dies, ala Luke and Vader.

So yeah, I do hope Finn realizes he's force sensitive or something else that makes him stand out. I just don't want him to be a joke.

But did he kill younglings? That's the line.

 

[Scrooged]

That's not the same thing and you know it.

Kylo is 29-30 years old. He has trained under Luke and Snoke. He is plenty experienced. Far more so than Rey.

He was in extreme pain and his stamina wasn't what it usually would have been but he was still toying with Finn and beating Rey right up until the power up.

That's what made the way he lost stupid. He didn't lose because of his wounds. He was winning in spite of them and lost because of a dumbass power up that really was not necessary.

Just like Luke in ANH, right? He had to be reminded to use the force in order to take out the Death Star. He didn't even get to fight Vader because he was disabled by some normal, non-force adept smuggler. You must think that whole sequence is stupid too.

 

[ghst]

Ive seen the movie twice now.

After the battle in the desert, Rey and Fin run toward each other complimenting each other. It sounds like she mentioned sim training in that moment, but its hard to make out because the are talking over each other.

the thing is, if she was a shit pilot and she just about got to grips with keeping the thing airborne by the end of the scene, it would have made for a much more interesting scene and a better character development that showed her struggling to overcome something she's only ever seen in simulators. it would've been a really nice little analogy for the greater journey she's embarking on.

but then you couldn't have it tearing shit up and doing macross style gymnastics because she wouldn't be instantly the greatest pilot in the galaxy and the audience would probably get bored, get their phones and go back to cut the rope and tinder.

 

[Sorcerer]

Where does Star Wars go from here? They can't keep releasing trilogies. I'm old enough to have seen the original on release. I enjoyed the prequels and was at the midnight showing of FA. I'm really excited for this trilogy but I don't see it making sense to just keep going and going. Its not like they can't make a fortune from Star Wars without the movies.

It seems at least this trilogy will play out the same as the ot. And they seem to be getting away with it obviously. So I have no hope for anything original for 8 and 9.

But the next trilogy absolutely has to be something new and not repeat these themes again.

 

[Toxi]

Do you think this should have been how Finn was written and how he fits into the mythology?

Now the main narrative problem is that you need Solo and Organa in the thick of things - because of the central conceit. I understand that, but here is how you could accomplish that - Make Finn Solo's apprentice and surrogate son, someone who took over the smuggling business after the falling out with Kylo Ren. This creates natural tension between Ren and Finn and ties Finn into the mythology rather than just being some joke character that was in the right place at the right time. Finn's goofiness could be explained by being Solo's apprentice and Finn being the only person dumb enough to take orders from Solo - Finn is loyal to the old man. What a terribly wasted opportunity.

It's not a wasted opportunity that the character progressed in a different way than you wanted him to progress.

 

[MisterHero]

Luke never actually tried to calm his ass down and listen to the Force during that fight, either.

In fact, he wasn't even supposed to have gone there in the first fuckin place.

Who knows if he'd actually managed to compose himself with the amount of control Rey had during her fight with a much weaker Force user. He managed to get over on Vader a couple times (kicked him off a ledge, caught him on the shoulder - like Finn!) even in that heightened, semi-panicked state. It's hard to say Luke didn't have a hidden power-up, because Luke never tried. He ran headlong into that fight with not much more than a bunch of eager self-righteousness and an underlying thirst for revenge (which is not the Jedi way, of course) and caught an asswhipping when he didn't chill out and listen to the Force.

Which is really all Yoda was trying to teach him to do anyway. Chill out and LISTEN to what the Force is telling you. Don't fight it. Just let it in.

Which is what Rey did.

Easy for her to do when the people she's worried about are either dead or almost dead!

*shakes fist*

 

[Veelk]

Luke never actually tried to calm his ass down and listen to the Force during that fight, either.

In fact, he wasn't even supposed to have gone there in the first fuckin place.

Who knows if he'd actually managed to compose himself with the amount of control Rey had during her fight with a much weaker Force user. He managed to get over on Vader a couple times (kicked him off a ledge, caught him on the shoulder - like Finn!) even in that heightened, semi-panicked state. It's hard to say Luke didn't have a hidden power-up, because Luke never tried. He ran headlong into that fight with not much more than a bunch of eager self-righteousness and an underlying thirst for revenge (which is not the Jedi way, of course) and caught an asswhipping when he didn't chill out and listen to the Force.

Which is really all Yoda was trying to teach him to do anyway. Chill out and LISTEN to what the Force is telling you. Don't fight it. Just let it in.

Which is what Rey did.

Why you gotta articulate what I'm trying to communicate so much more efficiently than me, man?

 

[Bloomers]

Yeah, let's get specific here. Luke's swordplay was not up to the challenge in ESB. Vader demolished Luke and could've done so without throwing furniture at him, but wanted to humiliate Luke and show him how weak he was compared to Vader. This was after Yoda, the most powerful Jedi we've seen, was teaching him for weeks or months. By some amount of time after ESB (a few years probably?) Luke has trained enough where he had finally become a true Jedi master with the lightsaber (in terms of his technique and skills with the saber) and was able to defeat Vader.

By comparison, Rey meditates on the Force for a few moments and is suddenly as technically proficient at the lightsaber as Luke was in ROTJ. The Force just doesn't work like that. It doesn't download skills to you like The Matrix.

There was only 1 year between ESB and RotJ though, in which Luke makes a lightsaber. He doesn't train with yoda at all between ESB and RotJ.

Rey topped Kylo b/c she was more attuned to the force in the moment, had superior melee skills to Kylo (dude had no jedi competition in life, Rey is proficient with a bowstaff), and wasn't injured by a Chewy's powerful bowcaster. It's not hard to believe.

EDIT: Bobby Roberts laying it out right

 

[Toxi]

Ignoring the details given to us, are we sure Finn was a storm trooper

"Isn't your ass a little fat for a Stormtrooper?"

 

[OricWindstar]

Another thing to add to the whole Rey argument is that, when Luke goes to fight Vader, everyone just told him it was a bad idea. Fucking Yoda tells him to not do it. So, once Vader starts besting him, he's probably thinking about how they were right.

Everyone has been telling Rey how the Force is real and how she's stronger than she realizes. Even in that moment, Kylo is telling her she needs a teacher, revealing he sees potential in her and that he's a bit scared of her.

 

[ReadingRambo]

Ignoring the details given to us

Next OT title please.

 

[MMarston]

It seems at least this trilogy will play out the same as the ot. And they seem to be getting away with it obviously. So I have no hope for anything original for 8 and 9.

But the next trilogy absolutely has to be something new and not repeat these themes again.

wow

just zero hope already

 

[Professor Lich]

We know Captain Phasma survived the garbage dump despite the planet imploding, right? Hey, I'm just broaching the possibility that Ren completely his training = torturing the piss out of his single kidney father.

It's cool, I'm just having fun causing a ruckus in the thread.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Why you gotta articulate what I'm trying to communicate so much more efficiently than me, man?

Let me have this the once. It's usually (much more usually) the other way around.

 

[Kitschkraft]

I'm anxious too. Because I really loved his charm, but I don't know what they could possibly do with his character next film outside of being a lackey to either Poe or Rey, and that would be unfair to a character with such potential.

I mean I honestly wouldn't be against him being force sensitive

Yep.

He doesn't have the skills that have been traditionally valued in these movies to have any cool feats on his own.

 

[OricWindstar]

It seems at least this trilogy will play out the same as the ot. And they seem to be getting away with it obviously. So I have no hope for anything original for 8 and 9.

But the next trilogy absolutely has to be something new and not repeat these themes again.

Episode VIII: A No Hope

 

[bananafactory]

OT3 | That's not how The Force works!

 

[Breakbeat]

Just dropping in so I don't know the thread consensus, am I the only one who found Rey not very likable? She seems like somebody working on the script watched The Hunger Games, saw JLaw as Katniss, and said "YES! I want her with a lightsaber and a British accent". Her deliveries were often emotionless, and I already find myself not really caring about her subplot.

Finn, on the other hand, was super charming with a lot of heart. A non-Force user going up against a Sith with only a lightsaber? You go, dude.