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Ok.
He was. I mean he most have showed some type of skill to accompany Kylo and Captain Phasma.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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MassiveNights
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I don't understand the 'Mary Sue' criticisms in relation to Rey. To me that completely misses the point of the character.
She isn't an everywoman nor has she come from humble beginnings, her situation merely gives the illusion that she is and has. An underlying birth rite to exceptional powers is clearly implied.
Regardless she is far from perfect, she is a basket case emotionally and only finds strength to complete her goals in the film through acceptance that she is force sensitive. Even then her initial mentor dies and her buddy is slain to unconsciousness/serious injuries.
She doesn't save the day, the ace pilot and grizzled combat veteran wookie does.
She isn't an everywoman nor has she come from humble beginnings, her situation merely gives the illusion that she is and has. An underlying birth rite to exceptional powers is clearly implied.
Regardless she is far from perfect, she is a basket case emotionally and only finds strength to complete her goals in the film through acceptance that she is force sensitive. Even then her initial mentor dies and her buddy is slain to unconsciousness/serious injuries.
She doesn't save the day, the ace pilot and grizzled combat veteran wookie does.
It was originally Vader's, and Ren has a fetish for any and all things Vader.
And seriously again with this MarySue stuff? Rey is hardly more Mary Sue than Luke was in ANH. C'mon
Bobby Roberts
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It appears that largely, the people issuing those criticisms don't understand them either.
Takamura-San
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Watching the trailer made me think about it, but the final product confirmed it to me. I strongly believe that Rey's introduction was heavily inspired by Nausicaa.
It has the same vive IMO.
It has the same vive IMO.
Arrowgigantic
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Because it had belonged to Vader and he collects that shit.
ReadingRambo
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I love how you happily make leaps to justify your opinions, but demand the movie spell out everything else.
JaseMath
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When was the blue lightsaber Vader's? I thought it was always Luke's...? Also, where did it come from seeing as Luke had to build his own following ESB.
i remember seeing that wrecked star destroyer in the trailer and hoped the film would gently unveil this dilapidated galaxy in a crumbling state, with whispers of the nu empire claiming to have all the answers like an early 1930s nazi party.
the opening crawl threw that all out the window though.
ESB kinda showed otherwise, with Luke getting whiny to Yoda or getting pwned repeatedly.
NYR
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue
Basically, a female nobody who saves the day using extraordinary luck or skill, or alternatively, is awesome at everything and uses that to move the plot forward. Basically, a plot device and not a fully formed character.
A new hope? When Obi-Wan tells Luke that it belonged to his father that was destroyed by the dark side. He then lost it at Bespin, and someone found it.
JetBlackPanda
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It's Anakins. It has younglings blood all over it.
The lightsaber was Anakin's before he turned. Luke lost it in ESB, and it was recovered somehow
Ragnorok64
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I've been trying to remember, if you take into account just ANH was Luke as universally good at everything as Rey is?
Scientist Supreme!
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In what way?
Takamura-San
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It seems that storm troopers have jobs outside of combat. Like, you know, any other type of militia.
OricWindstar
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Oh man, I didn't even think about that. That may be the best way to look at how Rey was able to accept it so quickly.
Yoda's "That is why you fail" line pretty much lines up here as well. She goes through her vision and then has the Force directly affect her through Kylo's probing. She quicker to fully accept the Force than Luke was in A New Hope because she's directly touched by it. Luke sees Obi-Wan use it on Stormtroopers, but he doesn't feel it like Rey does.
Also, as she read Kylo Ren's feelings and he admits to Snoke that he feels her strength, she's more inclined to believe that she is capable of great things.
WordsintheWater
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Agree with this point, I didn't even think about it.
relatively yes
Sorcerer
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That was his job when not on a mission. Of course he must have had battle training.
Arrowgigantic
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Obi-Wan gave it to him right after he rescued Luke from the Tuskens and said it belonged to his father, remember?
SixMachine
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I actually like Rey and don't really care about the piloting thing because all Skywalkers (or main characters since Rey possibly might not be one) are really good pilots, so I expected it. It's just force related stuff always seemed to be firmly in the space of needing lots of training and dedication to do. I know the EU basically is gone, but stuff like mind tricks takes quite the force mastery to do, lightsaber combat in many of the material and stuff like the games required training because people have messed themselves doing it and there are many styles and nuances that the lore built up around it.
Learning to block bolts blindfolded is actually an elementary part of training, you see younglings do it in the prequels, so Luke doing it shouldn't be too hard with his Skywalker pedigree, and he never really got into lightsaber vs. lightsaber combat until Empire Strikes Back.
At the end of the day, Rey bopped Kylo Ren, and I enjoyed the movie after all is said and done. It's just easy to understand where people are coming from with criticisms, I don't think there is any malicious intent, it's just criticism. It really doesn't matter though, because the movie is what is established going forward.
NO you're right, it was Han that thrashed Vader in A New Hope.
Kylo's not exactly experienced. He's unstable and his fight with Finn probably exhausted him. It took two people to take out Kylo, essentially
Professor Lich
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ShockingAlberto
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How did Luke learn to drive
How did Obi-wan learn to shave
How did Luke learn to grapple line inside of a death star
How did Luke's Tattoine friends learn to fly in space
I'm asking for questions that Big Star Wars refuses to answer.
How did Obi-wan learn to shave
How did Luke learn to grapple line inside of a death star
How did Luke's Tattoine friends learn to fly in space
I'm asking for questions that Big Star Wars refuses to answer.
BravesCountry
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It's a major reason a ton of people don't like marvel movies. Whether or not people had a name for it hardly seems relevant. Also, it hardly seems relevant to me whether they explain how she is good at literally everything, it's the problem itself that she is good at everything. In some movie universes that is ok, but in a star wars trilogy a lot of people are hoping for some amount of development and major flaws to work out. While 8 and 9 will surely expand on all of this, 7 feels like they jumped the gun a bit on her development.
How did they invent technology that lets spaceships move faster than light?
Admiral Woofington
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I never saw him coming off as weak, it's just that they put him in the same room as all of these really competent people.
His new BRO BRO BRO is the most skilled pilot in the resistance
His first friend/love interest [?] is a lady who has lived in the desert lifestyle her whole life, decently skilled with a staff, highly skilled with machinery and ships, and is now a strong as fuck force user who can use advance jedi skills and resist jedi mind fuck interrogation.
And then we have Finn. A stormtrooper newbie who isn't particularly skilled with melee, doesn't have battle experience, and is ok with ranged weapons I guess. Like I said hopefully he gets something else to be good at.
Anakin.
EDIT: And of course while I was Googling the pic I was beaten by a bunch of people.
I'm sure this has been discussed a millions times already, but how did Kylo and Finn both take direct light saber blows and seem to have no real damage? I'm talking about missing limbs or worse. Finn gets slashed across his back and seems to be in one piece and all Kylo has to show for it is a scar on this face.
CambriaRising
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Luke was a man though. They are allowed to have talent straight out of the box.
Sure, I just mean in comparison with just ANH. The death star trench run being the obvious thing but other than that, Luke sucked at stuff.
I trust we'll get more Rey background in the next film. At least I hope so.
JaseMath
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Jesus fucking christ, how could I forget that?
Well... it belonged to his grandfather.
Well he was struggling at Kenobi's training, didn't duel anybody, barely displayed force powers, let Kenobi and Han do all the hard work, gawked geekily at Leia, etc.
Just a complete nerdsauce until Death Star bomb run which was with Kenobi's hardcore intervention.
Because they weren't deep slices.
Like how Luke sliced Darth Vader's shoulder in Empire Strikes Back.
LookAtMeGo
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Maybe Rey had a moment like this
as a kid and Luke noped the fuck out and dumped her on Jakku.
as a kid and Luke noped the fuck out and dumped her on Jakku.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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fuckin midichlorians how do they work
stufte
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Maybe Rey had a moment like this
as a kid and Luke noped the fuck out and dumped her on Jakku.
HAHAH Holy shit wouldn't THAT be a twist.
OricWindstar
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No, I totally agree with you. I just loved that Boyega brought such energy to the role that Finn doesn't feel like a loser. He's my favorite character, so I want to see him rock it next movie as well.
Preferably in a team-up with Poe.
CassidyIzABeast
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plot armor.
luckily lightsabers insta-cauterize wounds! Bad for Iaido though.
BudokaiMR2
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I almost threw up in my mouth a little reading that.
While running towards the ships she basically says she is a pilot. That should be enough.
There have been more than a few posts in here about how unbelievable it is for Kylo Ren to be beaten by a 'little girl' so I honestly am not surprised. The internet sucks nowadays.
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