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[Armaros]

She said it hadn't flown in years. No doubt it was sitting there that whole time, and she had seen it and at least passed by it many times during that period.

She also knew what additions the junkyard boss added to the Falcon and told Han she felt the same way about how they were bad, so she knew the ship.

 

[thefit]

Didn't Ben's parents and even Skywalker tell him that in the end his father repented and even became a force ghost and another thing why didn't force ghost Vader step in and smack Ben in the back of the head the minute he started wanting to know about the dark side? This bugs me a lot, Kylo knows his heritage obviously then why didn't he now it turns out bad in the end for the dark side always? He talks to Vader or at least he thinks he's talking to Vader for guidance which is silly because Vader isn't bad anymore.

 

[duckroll]

Just got back from seeing the movie. Overall it was a great film and an awesome experience. My favorite part of the film is the fact that it was James Bond (Daniel Craig) who freed Rays XD One thing I didn't enjoy much was that Phasma didn't do that much besides look cool.

Your favorite part of the movie is something that no one could know without reading about it outside of the film? Really?

 

[boredofcanada]

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. That's not a "plot hole". She's already been established to know her way around ships and piloting by that point, and she does, in fact, crash the ship a bunch before figuring out the controls.

Any real ones?

If she knew all that then why is she stuck living in an abandoned At At? Shouldn't she be a
Pilot for the "rebellion"?

 

[Alex_Mexico]

It's rather dumb, from a logical perspective, how easily she gives in. Once she deactivates the shields, she not only outlives her usefulness to her captors but essentially dooms herself to die with the rest of the planet regardless. I guess they could try torturing her, but she'd only have to hold out for, like, ten minutes before they can fire the weapon and it's mission accomplished.

Though I think I read that she's appearing in the next one, so I guess it worked out for her in the end. Assuming that her superiors don't figure out who it was that disabled the shields, anyways.

I also read she was coming back... but how? If they did threw her in a trash compactor how could she survive Starkiller exploding???

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

If she knew all that then why is she stuck living in an abandoned At At? Should she be a
Pilot for the "rebellion"?

she was waiting for her family to return

 

[MisterHero]

Phasma didn't die

The heroes wouldn't get away with laughing as they sent a character to their death

 

[Vampirolol]

I think that some people don't get what Star Wars is, all those years building an EU have ruined the brand I guess.

 

[Toxi]

She seems to be important to Kathleen Kennedy. I think Phasma must return. She was so played up in the marketing. Too much going on in the movie to do anything other than introduce her I suppose.
I think she will be important to Finn's storyline.

It's clear she's supposed to be somewhat important to Finn's storyline with how he's crowing over bringing her down... Which doesn't make much sense when the most she did to single him out was drill him at the beginning of the movie for not wearing his helmet and not firing.

Again, one of the weaker aspects of the movie. At least Boba Fett didn't have a scene of a character acting like taking him out was a big deal.

 

[boredofcanada]

she was waiting for her family to return

Just like episode 4. Same movie.

 

[UltimaPooh]

If Rey is related to Luke (I think she's a Kenobi personally) then the awakening of her Force could have possibly been what awoken R2. At least that's my assumption for now.

What makes you think she is a Kenobi?

 

[Professor Lich]

I want Phasma to form a dynamic trio with Poe and Finn next time

It'll be like Harry Potter!

Star Wars: The Order of the New Jedi

 

[MMarston]

Just like episode 4. Same movie.

huh

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Your favorite part of the movie is something that no one could know without reading about it outside of the film? Really?

Didn't JJ outright denied Craig having a cameo? This whole thing confuses me to no end. Where did the rumor even started if everyone on set is publicly denying it? What's in it for them to deny it if it was true anyway?

 

[Armaros]

If she knew all that then why is she stuck living in an abandoned At At? Should she be a
Pilot for the "rebellion"?

If you listened to her conversation with Maz, she was waiting for parents to come back and she was living in denial about it.

 

[Squire]

Oh yeah finding a millennium falcon and then all of a sudden being able to fly it inverted. Good exposition.

I agree with his post and don't think that's what he's implying.

It's seems like what people call "plot holes" are often things that are simply left up to inference or imagination. Exposition was a weakness of the prequels and this movie handily avoids it. There are concepts that could've been better explained, but a lot of the so-called "holes" - the flack that Rey is catching in particular - are things that I immediately understand because scenes and lines of dialogue set them up over the course of the film. There just aren't any straight up "OK, these are the rules" exposition dumps.

It's honestly a little ironic too when some folks complain about them not "trusting the aidience" because they didn't put 26 ship variants on screen in a space battle.

 

[Gnome]

Every time they said Poe's name, I kept thinking of the damn Kung Fu Panda.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

Just like episode 4. Same movie.

Luke's "family" forbid him from going.

Didn't JJ outright denied Craig having a cameo? This whole thing confuses me to no end. Where did the rumor even started if everyone on set is publicly denying it? What's in it for them to deny it if it was true anyway?

Remember when he denied Khan was in Into Darkness

JJ likes surprises.

 

[bigjig]

Chewie sure got over the death of Han fairly quick. Like he was raging for a bit but when they got to the rebel base he was all DOO DOO DOO walking to the base DOO DOO DOO

I mean if my best friend I was always with died I would be at least a bit depressed afterwards.

My biggest problem with the movie, besides it being essentially a beat for beat remake of A New Hope. There's just no gravitas given to events like a planet being blown up or Han dying.

At least when Alderaan was blown up you got a reaction out of Leia and Obi Wan. Here it's quick onto the next scene! Obi Wans death directly opens up Luke to the possibilities of the force and helps him in the Death Star trench run. Here Han's death leads to a two second shot of Chewie whimpering before going welp I guess I better join this girl now lol

 

[nahlakhai]

Just got back from a showing in Brooklyn. Enjoyed every second of it. Don't mind at all it was a very similar parallel of ANH; its what we all wanted, after those horrible prequels.

Kylo works for me as a villain and I agree with everyone who thinks he is a work in progress. Its clear he's not established like Vader was in Ep 4. I'm glad they got the "twist" out of the way early, no need for an ESB type of reveal (yet?).

If someone who has seen the movie multiple times can reflect for me, can you go shot for shot with the flashback or vision that Rey had? It all happened too fast for me to be able to recall everything in it.

 

[boredofcanada]

I agree with his post and don't think that's what he's implying.

It's seems like what people call "plot holes" are often things that are simply left of the inference or imagination. Exposition was a weakness of the prequels and this movie handily avoids it. There are conceits that could've been better explained, but s lot of the so-called "holes" - the flack that Rey is catching in particular - are things that I immediately understand because scenes and likes of dialogue set them up over the course of the film. There just aren't any straight up "OK, these are the rules" exposition dumps.

It's honestly a little ironic too when some folks complain about them not "trusting the aidience" because they didn't put 26 ship variants on screen in a space battle.

This film was rushed to production and it shows. They borrowed too much from the old film and used nostalgia as a trope to justify how unoriginal the plot really is.

 

[AgeEighty]

If she knew all that then why is she stuck living in an abandoned At At? Shouldn't she be a
Pilot for the "rebellion"?

She was waiting for her family to come back. As she mentioned seven or eight times during the film.

Were you just not paying any attention?

 

[Ragnorok64]

Just like episode 4. Same movie.

Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru ain't coming back from being charcoal.

Spoiler

I knew it was a joke

 

[duckroll]

Didn't JJ outright denied Craig having a cameo? This whole thing confuses me to no end. Where did the rumor even started if everyone on set is publicly denying it? What's in it for them to deny it if it was true anyway?

If it is true, I can only imagine that Craig asked to do it as a favor because he's a huge fanboy, but it might have been one of those unofficial things, so everyone has to deny it to keep the producers and agents involved happy.

Remember when he denied Khan was in Into Darkness

JJ likes surprises.

But there is literally no "surprise" here. There is no way to tell if it is Craig or not. He's not credited, there's nothing distinctive about the voice or performance, there is no confirmation. No one can watch the film and go "oh wow, it's Daniel Craig!"

 

[thefit]

Finn is also a force user right? He seemed to grow a conscious the minute he arrived on Jakuu and Kylo seemed to sense it right?

 

[Brakke]

Poe was piloting and knew where he left BB8. He intentionally tried to steer there.

There's even a scene where Kylo Ren realizes they went down to retrieve BB8 because they crashlanded in that spot.

That's not true. An Order guy says they've lost control of the ship, and that's before they even break atmo. That's throwing a dart at a football field from a luxury box and hitting an apple.

Gotta chalk that one up to coincidence. Which is basically fine. These movies always treat planets as if they're a hundred square miles. It'd be weird if they struggled to navigate planets in any other context but they don't so we can just pretend "planet" in this universe means "town" and that doesn't screw much up.

What ultra-competency? Everything she does in this film, she flails around with at first. She smashes the Falcon into a bunch of stuff at first. She's clearly a pilot and has been around ships all her life. This wasn't just out of the blue, but she also didn't just know how to do everything immediately without some stumbling.

I mean. Did you see the part where she flipped the shop around and aimed a lazer she couldn't sight?

I don't actually care about this. The only point I have here is that Luke being a good pilot is something people don't think about until after the movie. Rey being a good pilot is something people think about in the theatre when it happens. The synoptic reasons for their skills aren't as important as the drama when it comes to audience experience.

Like above. I'm happy to let slide the fact that planets are simply tiny. That's just true in the drama.

 

[Gnome]

What makes you think she is a Kenobi?

Just a bunch of parallels with Obi-Wan in a New Hope.
- First words are alien language
- Saves the droid
- First use of force is Jedi Mind trick
- Gets droid to show it's message
- I like the idea more.

 

[Armaros]

She was waiting for her family to come back. As she mentioned seven or eight times during the film.

Were you just not paying any attention?

There was even a 'they are not coming back, stop living in denial' conversion with Maz...

 

[Sorcerer]

It's clear she's supposed to be somewhat important to Finn's storyline with how he's crowing over bringing her down... Which doesn't make much sense when the most she did to single him out was drill him at the beginning of the movie for not wearing his helmet and not firing.

Again, one of the weaker aspects of the movie. At least Boba Fett didn't have a scene of a character acting like taking him out was a big deal.

There could be more to it than we will ever know, perhaps he grew to hate her in his time as a Stormtrooper for other reasons. Also the trash compactor line works on two levels, A reference to a New Hope, and the fact that Finn was a sanitation trooper.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

I agree with his post and don't think that's what he's implying.

It's seems like what people call "plot holes" are often things that are simply left up to inference or imagination. Exposition was a weakness of the prequels and this movie handily avoids it. There are concepts that could've been better explained, but a lot of the so-called "holes" - the flack that Rey is catching in particular - are things that I immediately understand because scenes and lines of dialogue set them up over the course of the film. There just aren't any straight up "OK, these are the rules" exposition dumps.

It's honestly a little ironic too when some folks complain about them not "trusting the aidience" because they didn't put 26 ship variants on screen in a space battle.

Stuckman explains that well when he talks about "the big picture" in his spoiler review.

 

[darkwing-buck]

Your favorite part of the movie is something that no one could know without reading about it outside of the film? Really?

It got a good chuckle out of me after reading it of course their are way more amazing parts in this film.

 

[Toxi]

My biggest problem with the movie, besides it being essentially a beat for beat remake of A New Hope. There's just no gravitas given to events like a planet being blown up or Han dying.

At least when Alderaan was blown up you got a reaction out of Leia and Obi Wan. Here it's quick onto the next scene! Obi Wans death directly opens up Luke to the possibilities of the force and helps him in the Death Star trench run. Here Han's death leads to a two second shot of Chewie whimpering before going welp I guess I better join this girl now lol

Han's death got a hell of a lot more reaction from Chewie than Alderaan's destruction did from Leia. Leia doesn't even acknowledge her planet's destruction after the scene where she witnesses it. She even comforts Luke over Obi-Wan's death despite her suffering a far greater loss.

 

[eyeball_kid]

It's honestly a little ironic too when some folks complain about them not "trusting the aidience" because they didn't put 26 ship variants on screen in a space battle.

I'm sorry, I don't see the irony? There were plenty of ship types in the OT. Part of the allure of the Star Wars universe is its richness and diversity.

 

[boredofcanada]

She was waiting for her family to come back. As she mentioned seven or eight times during the film.

Were you just not paying any attention?

I really wasn't. Han Solo showing up isn't enough to get my attention.

 

[Korey]

Just a bunch of parallels with Obi-Wan in a New Hope.
- First words are alien language
- Saves the droid
- First use of force is Jedi Mind trick
- Gets droid to show it's message
- I like the idea more.

There are a lot of parallels with A New Hope.

It's the same movie.

 

[Sectorseven]

Is it possible Daniel Craig was in the costume, but they dubbed over him with someone else?

 

[Squire]

This film was rushed to production and it shows. They borrowed too much from the old film and used nostalgia as a trope to justify how unoriginal the plot really is.

I completely disagree, but everyone is entitled to their perspective.

 

[Sesuadra]

can somebody please explain it to me why everybody has this hard on for Phasma? is she like a important figure in the sw universe?

She is all shiny and chrome

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

If it is true, I can only imagine that Craig asked to do it as a favor because he's a huge fanboy, but it might have been one of those unofficial things, so everyone has to deny it to keep the producers and agents involved happy.



But there is literally no "surprise" here. There is no way to tell if it is Craig or not. He's not credited, there's nothing distinctive about the voice or performance, there is no confirmation. No one can watch the film and go "oh wow, it's Daniel Craig!"

Seen it twice... listen to him repeat what she told him. It's Craig.

But the surprise wasnt what I wanted you to focus on.

Just the fact that JJ is a liar when it comes to these kinds of easter eggs/plot points/surprises.

 

[AgeEighty]

I mean. Did you see the part where she flipped the shop around and aimed a lazer she couldn't sight?

No, I saw that part, when it came after she crashed the ship around a lot.

She's got latent Force abilities. Force users learn things fast. This is well established.

 

[boredofcanada]

I completely disagree, but everyone is entitled to their perspective.

All good. I just want a non nostalgia based Star Wars film, just like part 4 was. I'm happy everyone enjoys it though.

 

[duckroll]

This film was rushed to production and it shows. They borrowed too much from the old film and used nostalgia as a trope to justify how unoriginal the plot really is.

All of the latter is true, but none of it is a consequence of the former. This was exactly what people should have expected when Abrams came on board. It's his formula for revisiting classic franchises. The box office results show that his formula works, even if it is lazy and unoriginal.

 

[Donthizz#]

Am i only one who thinks that Rey is one of Lukes apprentices?

 

[AgeEighty]

I really wasn't. Han Solo showing up isn't enough to get my attention.

Exactly. So quit using the bored trope that there were "plot holes" to justify your distaste for the film, because what you think were plot holes, weren't. Just like almost every other time I see people making this statement.

Also? The part you weren't paying attention to happened before any of the nostalgic throwback parts, so that's not really a good excuse, either.

 

[Gnome]

There are a lot of parallels with A New Hope.

It's the same movie.

Yeah, but I would like to think that some of their decisions for what each character parallels have some thought behind them that extends beyond pandering or emulation.

Won't know until Episode VIII though.

 

[Sorcerer]

Am i only one who thinks that Rey is one of Lukes apprentices?

Most likely his star pupil. Witch probably plays into why she was put into hiding.

 

[Sectorseven]

Am i only one who thinks that Rey is one of Lukes apprentices?

I hope not, because that would mean the Jedi are still indoctrinating five year olds.

 

[Schryver]

She looks cool.

and Game of Thrones

 

[boredofcanada]

Exactly. So quit using the bored trope that there were "plot holes" to justify your distaste for the film, because what you think were plot holes, weren't. Just like almost every other time I see people making this statement.

Yeah all of a sudden the being able to fly the millennium falcon perfectly is a plot hole. Why be on Jakku at all then, if you can do that.

 

[Squire]

I'm sorry, I don't see the irony? There were plenty of ship types in the OT. Part of the allure of the Star Wars universe is its richness and diversity.

No no, it's not that the ships wouldn't have been cool or that they shouldn't have done them, I'm saying there's a certain irony in people implying they didn't have faith in the intelligence of their audience in one way, when, in my view, they really seemed to in another. This is not a film I felt was dumbed down to be pelatable.