wow that way expensive. us here in NZ is getting the same figure for $ 174. he he
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wow that way expensive. us here in NZ is getting the same figure for $ 174. he he
BudokaiMR2
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Well, they haven't really shown any of his actual turn to the Dark side at this point. It is hard to say how believable Snoke was in turning him.
However, Anakin was a fucking goober for falling for Palpatine's shit and the movie did a horrible job making it seem believable. I mean it basically comes down to "Oh man this guy has been lying to me ever since I have known him and has even convinced me to kill a man in cold blood once, but he is telling me the Jedi are liars and trying to destroy democracy so maybe I should believe him."
Even the entire Padme thing wasn't enough for me to actually find Anakin's turn to the dark side convincing. Yes, it's personal but he has no reason to believe him still.
I am hoping that they actually show Kylo as a disturbed little boy in some flashbacks. One of my biggest problems with Anakin's backstory in the PT is the fact that as a little kid there were no signs of him being troubled, despite a pretty fucked up life as a slave.
He is basically just a cute little kid who can do no bad. You only ever see that aspect in his angsty teen days, and even then it was handled horribly in my eyes.
PHOENIXZERO
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It sucks they'd never actually use Mara though, don't think they care about fan servicing the EU no matter how popular the character was.
I drank 3 cups of coffee before going to the theater, can't get much dumber than that.
LookAtMeGo
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This is why you bring a pee bottle.
MisterHero
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He was fine until he found out what happened to his mother. His memory of her stayed with him for 10 years and he came back only to watch her die
Just like our favorite characters are going to die in this trilogy
I always felt like that was a solid contrast.
It was just the tragic-transition process that got botched real bad
FlashbladeGAF
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"Use the Force... TRAITOR!!!"
Vampirolol
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Wait. That wasn't hot lemonade?
There's nothing stating Rey is Jakku-born. Even if she is, doesn't mean her mother didn't come there from Tatooine.
It'd be interesting if Obi-Wan had clung to "no attachments" so tightly that he got close to the mother and then panicked and backed out (followed by her leaning, not knowing she's already pregnant). Even more so if it's brought on by what happened between him and Anakin. Would make perfect sense, given he didn't just end him when he had the chance.
And if they wanna be really bold, they could use it as support for a beat in the story where Luke realizes the Jedi really do need to evolve if they're going to thrive once more.
WanderingWind
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From a certain point of view.
It might have been lemonade at some point :^)
PHOENIXZERO
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Yeah, less about not having attachments such as love and more just being able grieve, let go and make peace instead of the fear of losing someone and all that. That's one of those things I've been hoping for for a long time.
Just imagine how much shit would've been avoided with Anakin if it wasn't for those rules.
LookAtMeGo
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As long as the force exists it will need balance. As long as there is light, there will be dark. The only way to defeat the dark side once and for all is to eliminte the force itself. Rey sacrificing herself as the last Jedi incomming.
TheRedSnifit
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it's yer mums hot lemonade amirite
cantona222
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Don't you guys find the relationship between Ray & Fin to be exaggurated. How can they care for each other when they don't know each other and had a conversation for a total of only about 6 minutes. Also ths scene in the Canteen where Ray & Fin switched the role of being Hero and Coward mutiple times without enough reason.
WanderingWind
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I really hope Rey is related to nobody in particular, but we all know that isn't going to be the case.
So how do Force Ghosts actually work? I just watched IV: Kenobi tells Luke to run right after he gets killed, then Kenobi tells him to turn off his targeting computer. On Hoth, he tells savagely-wounded Luke to seek out Yoda, and he talks Yoda into training Luke. He reveals "there is another". Finally, he shows up at the Endor party just to smile. Is that it?
In the PT it's just that Qui-Gon teaches Yoda how to do it, right?
I guess that is kind of a lot. In A New Hope we can pretend the ghost isn't actually Kenobi but Luke's memory or internal projection of Kenobi. But revealing Dagobah, contacting Yoda, and revealing Leia are all definite interventions.
I guess like. Is it reasonable to expect Force Ghosts to intervene going forward? It's cinematically unappealing: Ewan is fine coming back but how would you do Vader? Nobody wants to see Hayden back on screen... Nobody but Luke sees the ghosts after Endor. Is it possible ghosts can only contact people they knew in life?
In the PT it's just that Qui-Gon teaches Yoda how to do it, right?
I guess that is kind of a lot. In A New Hope we can pretend the ghost isn't actually Kenobi but Luke's memory or internal projection of Kenobi. But revealing Dagobah, contacting Yoda, and revealing Leia are all definite interventions.
I guess like. Is it reasonable to expect Force Ghosts to intervene going forward? It's cinematically unappealing: Ewan is fine coming back but how would you do Vader? Nobody wants to see Hayden back on screen... Nobody but Luke sees the ghosts after Endor. Is it possible ghosts can only contact people they knew in life?
PHOENIXZERO
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Balance in the force though means no dark side because it's the dark side that's the imbalance and the Sith are basically a plague.
BudokaiMR2
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Which has nothing to do with the Jedi or the Republic and really doesn't lead to any motivation to turn against his entire belief system and former friends at the drop of a hat.
I just never found any of that believable. I mean Luke saw his foster parents turn to charcoal, and his mentor killed and even without ANY Jedi training he is able to resist the Dark side.
Anakin is witnessing someone who had just admitted that he had lied and manipulated him for his entire life battle with a respected Jedi Master and decides to cut off the Windu's arm.
Nah, I think Ridley, Boyega and Isaac did a good enough job to carry on the franchise without Ford. Plus, we get more Hamill in the next episode, so that nostalgia for the OT-characters is covered with Chewie, Leia (why didn't she take the Skywalker name), Luke, C3PO and R2-D2.
LookAtMeGo
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But even light cast shadows.
#deepthoughts
Rey or not, I feel like something like this needs to happen.
It's a shame that they played the Death Star 3 card already. Poe could've gone full George Kirk on it.
I attribute it to the fact that they've both been very lonely people most of their lives. After that Falcon skirmish, that amount of cameraderie can be pure ecstasy for people like them.
half a moon
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I wish there was a movie screen on my cieling with it playing.
I think the mentality of the Jedi, the teachings, and the general perspective on The Force are the things I'd really love to see evolve, personally.
Like, I loved how in the EU book "Traitor" a Sith tells Han's son that The Force is actually neutral and it's Jedi that are good or bad. Apparently fans hated that, so the next book just goes "that was lies."
It makes sense, but wouldn't it be more interesting if it had been tragically true? The Jedi would've had to grapple with that truth and grow past it. It'd place an emphasis on personal morality and responsibility and not just "trusting The Force." I know that's basically there now, but the new found focus would be interesting.
Just put that in the pile of old EU things that this new trilogy could utilize very well.
TheRedSnifit
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The power of sex.
Rey's whole thing is wanting her family to come back for her. Finn comes back for her. Of course she feels profoundly appreciative toward him.
The only cringe scene
PHOENIXZERO
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I doubt advertising herself as the daughter of Darth Vader is something she'd want to promote, besides she was raised by the Organas and as far as we know she has the resentment Leia had regarding Anakin as she did in the jettisoned EU. It'd be a pretty shitty thing to do.
A bit but I understand what they're doing, in a sense they have the whole being "alone" thing in common or something, I'm too tired to articulate what I want to say. They bonded relatively quickly, Rey has an obvious abandonment issue, Finn abandons her briefly but comes back, it was probably him Maz was talking about. Finn is afraid of the First Order and is traumatized from basically his entire life being a lie so it'd be understandable that he wants to get way.
Really? I thought it was hilarious. All the jokes landed for me. I somehow did t expect it to be so funny.
The only scene I thought was hammy was "You looked at me like no one ever had before" and even that wasn't too bad.
lastplayed
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We are? It's about 550 bucks on Mighty Ape.
Admiral Woofington
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this is a charming guy who has been in training to be a cog his whole life, meets a cute strong girl and they travel in adventures together.
I mean shit if he didn't awkwardly try to flirt at one point it would have been a lost opportunity.
MisterHero
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Yeah Anakin's arc really crashed and burned, but his attachment to his mother was established early on. That's all I'm saying.
I too would like to see some sort of callbacks to Luke's school
LookAtMeGo
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Oh god.Yeah, was a bit put off by that line but then I remembered
worse things
Spiritreaver
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Was it Han or Leia that says Ben had too much Vader in him?
I liked it too. That and "Droid please!"
Han.
EdReedFan20
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Admiral Woofington
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Yeah, was a bit put off by that line but then I remembered
worse things
Hey you're puuuuuurdy
you're purdy too
lol i love you
lets have babies
cant breathe lol
WanderingWind
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Also, not everything has to be spelled out. There were time gaps where they were on a ship together and being the only two non-old/Wookie, of course they're going to talk. People act like infatuation at first site or instant chemistry between new bros is fantastical.
youll be ashamed of your words and your deeds
Haha, definitely!
Yeah, was a bit put off by that line but then I remembered
worse things
Yeah, I can't even harp on it, honestly.
I actually think it'd be nice if Finn really is Force sensitive and the two do become a couple. Im in for a Jedi romance.
TheRedSnifit
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You'll be ashamed of your birds and steeds.
KaoticBlaze
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I don't see it that way. I feel like balance in the force as there being light and dark, but kind of an equal amount to keep each other in check in a way. In the prequels there were tons of jedi left and right. They were in politics, in the military, they were pretty much OP and got cocky. What happened? a sith wiped em out from within. Vader and the emperor rose, purging all jedi leaving only darkness. Then a jedi rose and supposedly brought balance back after Vader and the emperor died. But what happens next? There are no more sith and Luke starts his own academy, now its unbalanced yet again and darkness rises giving us Snoke, and Ben turning into Ren, wiping out Luke's new pupils (or so that's what i gathered). Still no balance, but now we have Snoke and Ren vs what im hoping to be Luke and Rey. Light and dark will always be there but one can't overpower the other or there will be an unbalance. That's just my two cents.
I think it would be cool if Finn is force sensitive, but in a different way from Rey and other Jedi. It would be cool to see him use the force more to make political decisions and rise as a leader in the resistance. Where Rey focuses on the traditional martial arts side of the force.
encephalon
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I'm starting to feel that the movie would have been better off not showing Rey meeting with Luke and leaving it for the sequel entirely.
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