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[BudokaiMR2]

Yeah Anakin's arc really crashed and burned, but his attachment to his mother was established early on. That's all I'm saying.

I too would like to see some sort of callbacks to Luke's school

Yeah, outside of some of the acting there I did like the concept in general.

I just think that his actual turn to the Dark side was ill-conceived and there wasn't very much that led up to it.

I would love if they set up Kylo as a more troubled youth from an early age, and have Snoke be a little less on the nose with his plots as Palpatine.

I mean the one thing that convinces him is the fact that Palpatine claims he can save Padme from some vision.
And I guess it doesn't even cross Anakin's mind that he was also the one who tried to assassinate her on multiple occasions? But instead takes him for his word and cuts down one of his masters?

From the way they have already started developing Kylo, I have a feeling his turn will be a lot more convincing. At least I hope so....

 

[Brakke]

Also, not everything has to be spelled out. There were time gaps where they were on a ship together and being the only two non-old/Wookie, of course they're going to talk. People act like infatuation at first site or instant chemistry between new bros is fantastical.

Are there time gaps on the ship? That's honestly not clear to me.

 

[MMarston]

I'm starting to feel that the movie would have been better off not showing Rey meeting with Luke and leaving it for the sequel entirely.

i also feel this way, but given they marketed the shit out of Hamill while simultaneously hiding him, they were kinda obliged

 

[Chuckie]

Yeah, was a bit put off by that line but then I remembered

worse things

How is his hand not on fire?

 

[SomeRandomWeirdGuy]

I'm pretty sure that in both the EU and how Lucas envisioned it, the Force is inherently good. So any Sith or other darksiders are causing the Force to lose its balance. There can be a million jedi but as long as they're all light sided it would be in balance.

I personally find that attitude pretty lame. I much prefer the interpretation of there having to be equal amounts light and dark. That's why I enjoy The Old Republic (KOTOR and TOR) eras. Shitloads of Sith and Jedi. Fun times.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

I'm starting to feel that the movie would have been better off not showing Rey meeting with Luke and leaving it for the sequel entirely.

I feel like that would have caused "split movie" syndrome. All of this movie's plot points were tied up, but there's still room for a sequel. Don't see any reason to leave the movie's central story arc hanging.

 

[MMarston]

How is his hand not on fire?

already practicing for Mustafar

 

[Syf]

I can't wait for the gif of Luke turning around and it's Jar Jar

 

[jman2050]

Hey you're puuuuuurdy

you're purdy too

lol i love you

lets have babies

cant breathe lol

You're so... beautiful

Only because I'm so in love

No it's because I'm so in love with you.

 

[MMarston]

I can't wait for the gif of Luke turning around and it's Jar Jar

already is, but its deep somehwere in the first thread

 

[LookAtMeGo]

I can't wait for the gif of Luke turning around and it's Jar Jar

Lol I'd make it right now if I could.
Edit: oh I guess its a thing already.

 

[Syf]

already is, but its deep somehwere in the first thread

I must find it

 

[eyeball_kid]

No no, it's not that the ships wouldn't have been cool or that they shouldn't have done them, I'm saying there's a certain irony in people implying they didn't have faith in the intelligence of their audience in one way, when, in my view, they really seemed to in another. This is not a film I felt was dumbed down to be pelatable.

Yup, I see what you mean. That's a totally fair point.

On another note, I just looked up Billy Dee Williams and he's 78. They better hurry up and put him in the next film if Lando is coming back to avenge Han with Chewie.

 

[injurai]

I'm starting to feel that the movie would have been better off not showing Rey meeting with Luke and leaving it for the sequel entirely.

I toyed with that idea a few times. But ultimately I think I prefer having the encounter. I just wish it was filmed differently. Less staring, less helicopter pans. I'd rather we at least see luke accept the saber via the force, then cut to credits.

 

[Squire]

I think Poe is incredibly friendly and obviously a good leader. Finn is a nervous wreck. The kid wants out and (this is where "good leader" comes into play), Poe's probably willing to believe him because he doesn't take his engagements with storm troopers, personally. Soldiers just do as they're told.

You could say that's a bit of a leap, but that's my take, anyway.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

I'm pretty sure that in both the EU and how Lucas envisioned it, the Force is inherently good. So any Sith or other darksiders are causing the Force to lose its balance. There can be a million jedi but as long as they're all light sided it would be in balance.

I personally find that attitude pretty lame. I much prefer the interpretation of there having to be equal amounts light and dark. That's why I enjoy The Old Republic (KOTOR and TOR) eras. Shitloads of Sith and Jedi. Fun times.

Unfortunately it's the canon definition.

 

[Sorcerer]

I feel like that would have caused "split movie" syndrome. All of this movie's plot points were tied up, but there's still room for a sequel.

Star wars needs a cliffhanger for you to ponder for a few years, as a kid it drove me insane and got me so excited.
I think the Luke thing was done perfectly, yes you finally get to see Luke, Rey holding out the lightsaber, and that's it, you waited for that moment but they still gave you the middle finger. Wait a couple of more years bitches.

 

[lastplayed]

You're so... beautiful

Only because I'm so in love

No it's because I'm so in love with you.

Don't go.

I don't want to disturb you.

Your presence is soothing.

 

[MMarston]

I must find it

got it

 

[Brakke]

got it

Fuck I knew what was coming but it still got me so good.

 

[Professor Lich]

Here's a question for those dedicated; What is a light saber blade 'made of?' I know that construction of a saber with a crystal is very important but I don't know much else.

I only ask because thinking about it, it's cool to see Luke's saber against Ren's since the latter is an imitation and looks more like a blaster beam than an actual saber.

 

[duckroll]

I don't really care for the interpretation of the balance being there being both light and dark as part of the -force-. Rather, in the hands of a good writer it would be less about the force trying to balance itself out, but rather the balance of the force being a consequence of situation. It would not just about light and dark, but of focus and discipline. An entire galaxy of nothing but Jedi would no doubt lead to complacency because of the nature of society. That weakness can then be exploited more easily by those who use the dark side and seek to do harm to others with it. In reverse, a smaller but more dedicated and focused group of Jedi who are aware of the dark side and stand ready against them would be more of a threat, making it harder for evil to catch them unaware.

 

[Squire]

Star wars needs a cliffhanger for you to ponder for a few years, as a kid it drove me insane and got me so excited.
I think the Luke thing was done perfectly, yes you finally get to see Luke, Rey holding out the lightsaber, and that's it, you waited for that moment but they still gave you the middle finger. Wait a couple of more years bitches.

We don't actually have to wait a few years (thank god), but I do enjoy how it ends and the speculation it'll fuel.

 

[Syf]

got it

lol, yes

 

[Hawkian]

Is this track from the final trailer on the soundtrack? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCN9K_a-MpE

 

[jman2050]

got it

In Episode VIII Rey will end up on a remote Republic outpost where she'll need to find an old and wise general who has secret information about the First Order's plans, and it'll be an elderly Jar Jar.

As soon as he tells her the information their location is raided by Stormtroopers and he's gunned down in 2 seconds flat.

 

[MMarston]

Star wars needs a cliffhanger for you to ponder for a few years, as a kid it drove me insane and got me so excited.
I think the Luke thing was done perfectly, yes you finally get to see Luke, Rey holding out the lightsaber, and that's it, you waited for that moment but they still gave you the middle finger. Wait a couple of more years bitches.

Yeah I agree with this.


Movies like The Hunger Games are terrible at this too, especially when they're on a yearly basis.

Is this track from the final trailer on the soundtrack? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCN9K_a-MpE

No, a third party helped make that track

 

[WanderingWind]

We don't actually have to wait a few years (thank god), but I do enjoy how it ends and the speculation it'll fuel.

We don't? When is the next one due?

 

[Armadilo]

So potential possibility of clone troopers coming back ?

 

[injurai]

We don't? When is the next one due?

Summer 2017

A year and a half.

 

[MMarston]

Summer 2017

A year and a half.

Meaning the teaser should be this summer.



All aboard GAF.

 

[Spiritreaver]

Even after the fourth viewing, that ending scene makes me tear up. Shit gets to me.

Then again, the ending of ROTS still makes me tear up too. I'm easily swayed.

 

[eyeball_kid]

I'm starting to feel that the movie would have been better off not showing Rey meeting with Luke and leaving it for the sequel entirely.

When Rey & Chewie jumped to lightspeed I thought, "Surely this is the credits" which would have been a nice mirror to the end of ESB when Lando and Chewie go to find Han. But no, we have to watch Rey climbing steps for 5 minutes before the Man of a Thousand Stares and some helicam motion sickness.

I much prefer the interpretation of there having to be equal amounts light and dark. That's why I enjoy The Old Republic (KOTOR and TOR) eras. Shitloads of Sith and Jedi. Fun times.

I think canon Force is treated as a perfect state of harmony. Very zen buddhist. The dark side brings disharmony to the universe. Maybe not as fun, but the OT Force was more about eastern spirituality than a light and dark in eternal battle kind of mythology.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

got it

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

I don't really care for the interpretation of the balance being there being both light and dark as part of the -force-. Rather, in the hands of a good writer it would be less about the force trying to balance itself out, but rather the balance of the force being a consequence of situation. It would not just about light and dark, but of focus and discipline. An entire galaxy of nothing but Jedi would no doubt lead to complacency because of the nature of society. That weakness can then be exploited more easily by those who use the dark side and seek to do harm to others with it. In reverse, a smaller but more dedicated and focused group of Jedi who are aware of the dark side and stand ready against them would be more of a threat, making it harder for evil to catch them unaware.

Going by games and I think the EU it's pretty much seems like a cycle of the Jedi Order growing complacent, falling apart and having to be rebuilt.

 

[bananafactory]

I'm starting to feel that the movie would have been better off not showing Rey meeting with Luke and leaving it for the sequel entirely.

I dunno, the entire plot of the movie was centered around finding Luke. I get that it's good to leave stuff for future movies, but I think that resolution here was needed.

 

[Syf]

Even after the fourth viewing, that ending scene makes me tear up. Shit gets to me.

Then again, the ending of ROTS still makes me tear up too. I'm easily swayed.

Music is perfect for it, and the feels of seeing Luke again after so long.. yeah.

 

[MMarston]

I just realized how weird it is to see Han in the older movies now, especially ROTJ.


Like, as youngin, you always thought things turned out for the best at the end of his OT adventure.

 

[Squire]

Yeah I agree with this.


Movies like The Hunger Games are terrible at this too, especially when they're on a yearly basis.

I feel like the comparison is mute when you consider that those movies are typically based on some YA series. They don't really have to be interesting with the endings because people want faithful adaptions and the answers can be had in ten seconds with a Google search.

There's just no point.

The Marvel movies are a little better a comparison as they change more and it's hard to tell what they will or won't adapt ahead of time, but SW really is a beast all its own. This is the series with decades of books/comics to adapt that is fighting tooth and nail not to. It's a fascinating juxtaposition.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

got it

Would have made the movie top 5 all time if that happened.

 

[pupcoffee]

I really liked the film, but the more I think about it now, the more I realise it's pushed my suspension of disbelief too much. All of the contrived coincidences, and how impossible Han's "breaking through the planet's shield via LIGHTSPEED" plan really is.

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

I'm starting to feel that the movie would have been better off not showing Rey meeting with Luke and leaving it for the sequel entirely.

Why is that ?

I thought it was a great cliffhanger and that last shot of Rey and Luke standing across from each other was a brilliant last shot.

 

[Speely]

Adam Driver is fucking awesome. I am surprised that they decided to include an angsty young man again after Anakin, but Driver delivered. With the somewhat limited face-time he had, I thought he NAILED it. I like that he killed Han (well, I hated it in a good way) and look forward to seeing his development after both that bit of dedication to the Dark Side and seeing first-hand the power of the Light Side when he got schooled by an untrained sub-Padawan who just had to do a bit of meditation to get awesome. That's gotta sting when he has ostensibly given up so much for all dat powah.

I like the idea of making the antagonist's journey as flawed and hapless as that of the good guys. Having a Force-sensitive character that wrestles with the Light Side in the way we have seen others wrestle with the Dark Side is very interesting, and is one of my favorite things about TFA.

BB-8 is disgustingly cute.

Rey and Fin are both amazing and I can't wait to see more of them. My gut is that Fin has something more going on than just being a Stormtrooper with a heart. They made a deal out of talking about the First Order's conditioning standards, and I think that was to emphasize that it was something more than just having a conscience that let Fin break free. Dude might have the strongest mind/will of the whole cast for all we know.

Kylo has never tried to mind rape him, so who knows? What if the thing that let Fin overcome the otherwise foolproof conditioning turns out to be more powerful than even Rey's obviously-potent Force sensitivity? That would be a fun turnaround from the dynamic that now exists with Rey being the big hero figure.

Literally all of the above is just excited fan drivel from someone who just got home from seeing the movie and is trying to process that SW is still a thing, and good.

 

[WanderingWind]

Summer 2017

A year and a half.

Huh. That's cool.

 

[ShinySylvee]

Which has nothing to do with the Jedi or the Republic and really doesn't lead to any motivation to turn against his entire belief system and former friends at the drop of a hat.

I just never found any of that believable. I mean Luke saw his foster parents turn to charcoal, and his mentor killed and even without ANY Jedi training he is able to resist the Dark side.

Anakin is witnessing someone who had just admitted that he had lied and manipulated him for his entire life battle with a respected Jedi Master and decides to cut off the Windu's arm.

I think you're missing the main reason why Anakin turned in the first place. He was tormented by not being able to save his mother from dying because he thought he was too weak so when he believed Padme was going to die he saught out any means necessary to save her. He didn't want to betray the Jedi but when Windu tried to kill the one person who he believed could help him save Padme he had to intervene. When he killed Windu I think he believed there was no going back and went along with Palpatine and used the whole "Jedi are evil" thing as some mental gymnastics to justify it all. Then once Padme was dead he just gave up on the world and went full evil. I don't think it's perfect but to some degree it kind of makes sense.

 

[MMarston]

In Episode VIII Rey will end up on a remote Republic outpost where she'll need to find an old and wise general who has secret information about the First Order's plans, and it'll be an elderly Jar Jar.

As soon as he tells her the information their location is raided by Stormtroopers and he's gunned down in 2 seconds flat.

I strangely want Jar Jar to be a badass if he comes back.

Dat redemption

 

[Donthizz#]

We are? It's about 550 bucks on Mighty Ape.

oops my bad. I was looking at the 1/10 figure.

 

[Oreoleo]

I'm starting to feel that the movie would have been better off not showing Rey meeting with Luke and leaving it for the sequel entirely.

Nah I think it's better this way. If the movie would have ended with them taking off in the Falcon I would've been really let down. Would have been the ultimate cock tease. You can't open with "Luke Skywalker is missing!" and not have him show up at some point. It was the basis for the entire movie. It was a great way to end it and makes everyone excited for the sequel. We don't need another scene like Jabba's palace that feels completely tacked on and separated from the rest of the next movie.

 

[Kitschkraft]

Don't you guys find the relationship between Ray & Fin to be exaggurated. How can they care for each other when they don't know each other and had a conversation for a total of only about 6 minutes. Also ths scene in the Canteen where Ray & Fin switched the role of being Hero and Coward mutiple times without enough reason.

Nothing stops this ship dude.

Honestly, aside from the humor, this was the other aspect of the movie that was most surprisingly pleasant to me. Spoilers didn't suggest any real flirtation between them.

I now find their relationship, whatever it may be, to be like, second on the list of things I'm anxious to revisit in Ep.8 (Luke is obviously paramount).

 

[Kworn]

Is the last planet Luke is hiding on possibly Earth?