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[Ether_Snake]

Don't bother. When it comes to the PT, people are weirdly obssessed with realism and "practical stuff".

It looked stupid, very stupid. Like kids playing with light sabers.

 

[Henkka]

Didn't they mention the clone army in a new hope?

No, they mention "the clone wars".

Kylo Ren talking about using a clone army for stormtroopers is a prequel reference.

 

[Ishida]

As far as prequel stuff, we have Ewan, a very overt reference to clones, podracer flags at Maz's and we've got Rey riding around on what looks like a souped up podracer engine. You don't need much more than that, really. Don't sweep it under the rug, but don't draw a ton of attention to prequel stuff unless it ties into the story.

This is basically how I feel.

In fact I would love it if they also stopped with the OT pandering.

It looked stupid, very stupid. Like kids playing with light sabers.

You are describing the duel between old Obi and Vader in Episode IV.

I have never seen kids moving around like the PT fighters.

 

[timewyrm]

It's over the top garbage fighting for the sake of fighting. Every other lightsaber duel before then wasn't about the fighting, it was the internalization of the characters.

Couldn't one argue that this was the physical manifestation of the arrogance and complacency of the Jedi Order in the PT ?

 

[Pro]

Can Rey just be a random force sensitive person? Like Anakin?

I guess the Chekhov's Gun of her being abandoned won't let that happen, but eh. I don't think everyone needs to be related lol. We already got the grandson of Vader in here.

That was my 3rd option. It's possible yeah. "The Force Awakened" in her. But she does seem to be a Powerful Force Sensitive which usually means a powerful blood line. I'm sure they'll explain it well.

Spoiler

Her midichlorian count is higher than Vader's

 

[Deleted member 22576]

They mention "Clone Wars" but that's about it. I don't think they referred to the meaning of that.

Hahahahahahahaha

 

[Sephzilla]

Couldn't one argue that this was the physical manifestation of the arrogance and complacency of the Jedi Order in the PT ?

That wouldn't explain Darth Maul or Palpatine though.

IDK, from a pure visual standpoint the prequel fights are some good eye candy but they're the equivalent of a really good looking steak that you bite into and realize it's massively undercooked.

 

[A Serious Man]

The simpsons predicted this back in 09.

This is proof of the Illuminati.

 

[Defuser]

Considering the 6 movies involves Obi Wan Kenobi,the Skywalkers and Palpatine, its not so farfetch Rey could be Obi Wan's granddaughter heck I bet Snoke is related to Palpatine in some way.

 

[VistraNorrez]

Can Rey just be a random force sensitive person? Like Anakin?

I guess the Chekhov's Gun of her being abandoned won't let that happen, but eh. I don't think everyone needs to be related lol. We already got the grandson of Vader in here.

Well someone else has to carry on the Skywalker bloodline because I don't Kylo shacking up with anyone. If it's not Rey, which it might not be, then there has to be another kid who is Luke's or Leia's. Lucasfilm as reaffirmed the episodes are about the Skywalker Family. And you can bet they will be making more episodes after IX.

And it makes absolute sense to me that Leia got pregnant soon after Jedi. Her and Han already had a long enough wait to finally get it on. They could have conceived Ben right their on Endor.

 

[Davey Cakes]

I don't understand the problem people have with the PT lightsabre fights ? It's like Wushu with lightsabres.

For me they lacked tension.

I can't remember the last time I felt revved up and fully invested in two characters dueling before seeing TFA. It may have been Anakin vs. Obi-Wan in RotS but that was more about the characters themselves than the fancy acrobatics.

 

[VincentMatts]

I'm glad Han died. His general attitude to this movie has felt so disconnected. It bums me out.

Seeing it again on Sunday at the 70mm IMAX. Really excited. I don't really have any gripes with the movie now that it's sunk in. I am more excited than ever to learn more about these new characters, their history, and hopefully what all transpired between VI and VII.

Serious question - everyone keeps saying this was just a remake of ANH. Can someone explain? I didn't really get that vibe at all.

It was a copy paste.

droid is given important info/plans, droid is sent off to a desert planet, finds a local who is force sensistive, local finds mentor to guide them, mentor brings the plans and info to rebellion, rebellion make plans to destroy super weapon, mentor dies, Super weapon gets destroyed.

Thats EP4 practically scene for scene.

 

[Kinsei]

Every movie has starred a Skywalker with others on the side. Changing that would be quite the deviation.

A nice deviation. Besides we already have someone related to him with a big role.

 

[Klyka]

Well someone else has to carry on the Skywalker bloodline because I don't Kylo shacking up with anyone. If it's not Rey, which it might not be, then there has to be another kid who is Luke's or Leia's. Lucasfilm as reaffirmed the episodes are about the Skywalker Family. And you can bet they will be making more episodes after IX.

And it makes absolute sense to me that Leia got pregnant soon after Jedi. Her and Han already had a long enough wait to finally get it on. They could have conceived Ben right their on Endor.

"Oh hey Leia, look at this cool huge bonfire out here in the woods, we should totally get it on here!"

"Take me you nerfherder!"

*in the background a faint "NNNOOOOOOOoooooooooooo" can be heard*

 

[bananafactory]

It was a copy paste.

droid is given important info/plans, droid is sent off to a desert planet, finds a local who is force sensistive, local finds mentor to guide them, mentor brings the plans and info to rebellion, rebellion make plans to destroy super weapon, mentor dies, Super weapon gets destroyed.

Thats EP4 practically scene for scene.

The beats are similar but the way they play out is entirely different. Other than maybe the aerial assault and destruction of Starkiller, I don't really think this movie feels like ANH at all.

 

[FloatOn]

"Oh hey Leia, look at this cool huge bonfire out here in the woods, we should totally get it on here!"

"Take me you nerfherder!"

*in the background a faint "NNNOOOOOOOoooooooooooo" can be heard*

/slow claps

 

[timewyrm]

That wouldn't explain Darth Maul or Palpatine though.

IIRC, wasn't Sheev just fast ?

Darth Maul, maybe he was ex Jedi Order

 

[MMarston]

Episode 8 Wishlist:

- Snoke is pissed at the failure of the starkiller base. General Hux is replaced by not Thrawn aka Benecio Del Toro
- Simultaneous training sequences of Snoke with Kylo Ren and Luke with Rey.
- Kylo Ren learns force lightning
- Rey creates a sick light saber staff
- After training, Kylo Ren doubles his confidence and is obsessed with tracking and killing Rey and Luke
- Find out more stuff about the Jedi temple and that artifact Luke was looking for
- Find out who Rey's parents are
- Poe takes on Finn as an apprentice and Finn becomes more proficient as a pilot and has an epic dogfight with Captain Phasma
- Leia and Chewbacca are still coping with the loss of Han and are determined to deliver a final crippling blow to the First Order

I'm hoping Finn learns how to use a freaking lightsaber, he got bodied by Kylo. I'd like to also see Kylo turn into a Sith by the next movie.

Poe's and Finn's bromance is fire though! <3

These are pretty much also things I want for 8. Also, here's a list of stuff I'd like to see from Rey's arc that I did a lot of pages back.

Apart from that, I really wanna see some Knights of Ren operations. Maybe make them some sort of terrorist squad wrecking shit up in Coruscant.

 

[dragonyeuw]

Over choreographed to the point where people are doing flips/twirls/unnecessary movement that would get them killed by any opponent that had a fragment of common sense.

Which funny enough is exactly how the Obiwan/Anakin fight ended, swipe the guy as he's jumping over you with a split-second opening in his defense. Too bad that logic didn't carry through to the prior PT fights...

 

[thecouncil]

There were very few "old" aliens period. I saw Ackbar and Nien Nunb and I think every other alien I saw was a new, never before seen race. I wish they'd taken this approach to starships too.

As far as prequel stuff, we have Ewan, a very overt reference to clones, podracer flags at Maz's and we've got Rey riding around on what looks like a souped up podracer engine. You don't need much more than that, really. Don't sweep it under the rug, but don't draw a ton of attention to prequel stuff unless it ties into the story.

People want the prequels to be ignored so they themselves ignore all references to it. Either that or they'd say the OT was ignored if not for the in-your-face crap like the hologram table on the Millenium Falcon.

Also, for references, Maz mentions "sith" and there are flat-out pod racer engines in the background on Jakku.

Hahahahahahahaha

Huh?

 

[Boke1879]

I'm glad Han died. His general attitude to this movie has felt so disconnected. It bums me out.

Seeing it again on Sunday at the 70mm IMAX. Really excited. I don't really have any gripes with the movie now that it's sunk in. I am more excited than ever to learn more about these new characters, their history, and hopefully what all transpired between VI and VII.

Serious question - everyone keeps saying this was just a remake of ANH. Can someone explain? I didn't really get that vibe at all.

They overall simplistic plot may be similar and there are some references and callbacks but some would have you believe you're literally watching a 1:1 remake. You aren't and when I was in the theater I didn't see it at all.

It's kinda like what Bobby said. Beginning is like ANH, middle like ESB, and ending like Jedi. The movie is definitely playing it safe but it captures the essence of SW imo. For me this movie is potentially much more watchable than ANH.

 

[LAUGHTREY]

You don't have to buy into it. Its what JJ said happened. The map was not leading to Luke. It was simply a Map of Jedi temples.

Right, they sort of glossed over it though. I forgot they said he went to the "first jedi temple" in the opening crawl maybe?

So the empire would've destroyed that information if they could've. Luke told them where he went, they just didn't know where it was.

He shouldn't have been in this movie either. They really need to tone down the 'its like poetry it rhymes' thing with episode 8 and not just try to remake Empire, but they could've made Luke the "great warrior" that Rey mistakes for a crazy old hermit ala Yoda.

 

[ProudCanuck]

 

[LegendofLex]

Serious question - everyone keeps saying this was just a remake of ANH. Can someone explain? I didn't really get that vibe at all.

- Young orphaned Force user lives on desert planet
- Rebel fighter snatches up top-secret data and attempts to escape Imperial pursuit
- Droid is entrusted with the data and sent to wander desert planet
- Young orphaned Force user finds and befriends droid
- Force user and droid meet up with someone who professes to be able to take them to Rebel base
- They are forced to escape desert planet in Millennium Falcon to avoid Imperial pursuit
- Evil empire is building a planet-destroying base
- The heroes hang out in a sleazy bar
- Force user receives Skywalker lightsaber
- Force user initially recoils from accepting destiny
- Force sensitive girl kidnapped by Dark Side user and brought to planet-destroying base
- Young hotshot enlists Han Solo and Chewbacca to rescue girl from planet-destroying base, makes up plan as he goes
- Rebels use intel delivered by young hotshot to plan attack on planet-destroying base
- Father/mentor figure of Dark Side user confronts and sacrifices himself to Dark Side user
- Rebel X-wings fly down fortified trench to assault weak point of planet-destroying base
- Force user trusts the Force and manages to thwart Dark Side user
- Dark Side user leaves the battle crippled
- Next step for Force user is to travel to legendary Jedi Master

I say all this as someone who felt the new film managed to stand on its own even despite all the blatant references. They just felt like a familiar backdrop that gave the new characters a safe entry point into the story we all know.

I didn't really understand the map either. If you have the galactic map, at least you know what general section to start looking. If you have the smaller map, then all you have to do is compare it to a map of the galaxy.

At best I can understand not finding him with the galactic map. Galaxies are huge and with that large a chunk missing, knowing he's in that chunk isnt going to help much. You still have thousands and thousands of stars to sort through. It's probably a lost cause to even try, even with their advanced tech.

But if you have the little piece: That still looked like a sizable chunk of the galaxy. You should be able to easily place it.

I guess the issue was not so much that the two halves needed to go together, but that the Resistance only had the useless half of it. But the movie made it seem like they really needed both.

What makes it even worse is that there's a very visible trail on both chunks of the map, so it's not like they even would have had to narrow down where exactly to go/look.

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

If the casting rumors are true, I wonder what role the female lead in Episode 8 is going to have.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

Why would Courscant be over run when it was still the Empire's capital, I think in the new canon they even say palatine put his office in the Jedi temple.


hmmm If Luke is on that Jedi planet, I wonder if Snoke is on Morraband.

I don't think the New Order has their HQ on Coruscant, though... Didn't they say in the movie that they were an outer outer rim kind of thing?

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

but nowhere near as good as this

Absolutely. The emotion in that scene is the pinnacle of the movies for me

 

[Ether_Snake]

- Rey creates a sick light saber staff

To fight a couple of Knights of Ren at the same time yeah.

 

[Ishida]

- Young orphaned Force user lives on desert planet
- Rebel fighter snatches up top-secret data and attempts to escape Imperial pursuit
- Droid is entrusted with the data and sent to wander desert planet
- Young orphaned Force user finds and befriends droid
- Force user and droid meet up with someone who professes to be able to take them to Rebel base
- They are forced to escape desert planet in Millennium Falcon to avoid Imperial pursuit
- Evil empire is building a planet-destroying base
- They hang out in a sleazy bar
- Force user receives Skywalker lightsaber
- Force user initially recoils from accepting destiny
- Force sensitive girl kidnapped by Dark Side user and brought to planet-destroying base
- Young hotshot enlists Han Solo and Chewbacca to rescue girl from planet-destroying base, makes up plan as he goes
- Rebels use intel delivered by young hotshot to plan attack on planet-destroying base
- Father/mentor figure of Dark Side user confronts and sacrifices himself to Dark Side user
- Rebel X-wings fly down fortified trench to assault weak point of planet-destroying base
- Force user trusts the Force and manages to thwart Dark Side user
- Dark Side user leaves the battle crippled
- Next step for Force user is to travel to legendary Jedi Master

Brutal.

 

[VincentMatts]

Absolutely. The emotion in that scene is the pinnacle of the movies for me

It also built up for 3 movies.

 

[Klyka]

They overall simplistic plot may be similar and there are some references and callbacks but some would have you believe you're literally watching a 1:1 remake. You aren't and when I was in the theater I didn't see it at all.

It's kinda like what Bobby said. Beginning is like ANH, middle like ESB, and ending like Jedi. The movie is definitely playing it safe but it captures the essence of SW imo. For me this movie is potentially much more watchable than ANH.

My girlfriend watched the OT a couple of days before we saw TFA and she said that ANH is her favorite one out of them.

After watching TFA she said she really liked the movie and thought it was much better than ESB and RoTJ

 

[Toa TAK]

That's hilarious.

 

[Kor of Memory]

Considering the 6 movies involves Obi Wan Kenobi,the Skywalkers and Palpatine, its not so farfetch Rey could be Obi Wan's granddaughter heck I bet Snoke is related to Palpatine in some way.

If obi-wan had children then the lines:

"That boy is our last hope"

"No there is another."

"The other Master Yoda spoke of is your twin sister."


Are totally worthless. If Obi-wan had children, then why the fuck wouldn't he consider them an option to take down the empire back before he died.

 

[rekameohs]

Haha, I saw it again with my parents, and my mom audibly said "oh no" when Chewie was shot in the shoulder, so I knew the ending was gonna be hard

 

[Davey Cakes]

I'm fine with small references to the Prequel Trilogy, so long as they're relevant or otherwise sensible.

The Force Awakens did it right. Pod-racing engines in the background, little references to the Sith and idea of a Clone Army, etc.

I understand exactly why TFA was built as a love letter to A New Hope (mostly) with some bits of RotJ, but I'm ready for Episode VIII to really be its own thing.

 

[thecouncil]

- Young orphaned Force user lives on desert planet
- Rebel fighter snatches up top-secret data and attempts to escape Imperial pursuit
- Droid is entrusted with the data and sent to wander desert planet
- Young orphaned Force user finds and befriends droid
- Force user and droid meet up with someone who professes to be able to take them to Rebel base
- They are forced to escape desert planet in Millennium Falcon to avoid Imperial pursuit
- Evil empire is building a planet-destroying base
- The heroes hang out in a sleazy bar
- Force user receives Skywalker lightsaber
- Force user initially recoils from accepting destiny
- Force sensitive girl kidnapped by Dark Side user and brought to planet-destroying base
- Young hotshot enlists Han Solo and Chewbacca to rescue girl from planet-destroying base, makes up plan as he goes
- Rebels use intel delivered by young hotshot to plan attack on planet-destroying base
- Father/mentor figure of Dark Side user confronts and sacrifices himself to Dark Side user
- Rebel X-wings fly down fortified trench to assault weak point of planet-destroying base
- Force user trusts the Force and manages to thwart Dark Side user
- Dark Side user leaves the battle crippled
- Next step for Force user is to travel to legendary Jedi Master

I'm just not seeing it.

 

[Liquidsnake]

I have Wednesday off from work, I am going to go see it for a second time.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

I don't think the New Order has their HQ on Coruscant, though... Didn't they say in the movie that they were an outer outer rim kind of thing?

Yeah, they've been based in the unknown regions. I don't really know what's up with Coruscant.

 

[VincentMatts]

I'm just not seeing it.

We should replay both movies side by side in a giant GIF.

 

[Ophelion]

If obi-wan had children then the lines:

"That boy is our last hope"

"No there is another."

"The other Master Yoda spoke of is your twin sister."


Are totally worthless. If Obi-wan had children, then why the fuck wouldn't he consider them an option to take down the empire back before he died.

Perhaps his children were not strong in the force. Just because a bloodline has force sensitive members does not necessarily mean everyone of that house is strong in the force. I don't think.

Essentially, maybe it skipped a generation.

 

[KoruptData]

How wicked would it be for Kylo to feel so insecure with light, to be afraid of what's inside of him, to see his former self in the mirror, to just self mutilate himself, to make himself more mechanical like Vader.

 

[Klyka]

Why do some people say Han "sacrificed himself"?

Cause he didn't. He wasn't protecting anybody or anything there. He didn't even have to show himself to Kylo.
He only did it because he is his son and he wanted to bring him back.

He didn't go on that bridge with the intention of "welp,gonna lay my life down for the others so they can live!"

How wicked would it be for Kylo to feel so insecure with light, to be afraid of what's inside of him, to see his former self in the mirror, to just self mutilate himself, to make himself more mechanical like Vader.

I think Rey already did the mutilation for him.

 

[MMarston]

To fight a couple of Knights of Ren at the same time yeah.

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

I really hope Finn gets his own lightsaber in the next film.

The thought of him getting to use a lightsaber only as part of a deceptive marketing scheme is heartbreaking.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

I don't understand the problem people have with the PT lightsabre fights ? It's like Wushu with lightsabres.

Some of them look really unnatural, the over choreographed thing isn't even the right complaint if you ask me, it's that they just looks very rehearsed, almost no emotion flowing through the actors during them.

For example the SWTOR cinematics have flashy duels but they look fantastic because they're more emotional.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuNvCOUy1Ts

The episode 7 duel was fantastic because there was a lot of baggage walking into it and it shows.

 

[VincentMatts]

Perhaps his children were not strong in the force. Just because a bloodline has force sensitive members does not necessarily mean everyone of that house is strong in the force. I don't think.

Essentially, maybe it skipped a generation.

And maybe it was 1977 and they just didnt think about it.

 

[Sectorseven]

Maybe she's Qui-Gon's descendant. He didn't seem the type to follow rules, if you know what I mean.

They could also work him in as a ghost still.

 

[Kor of Memory]

Perhaps his children were not strong in the force. Just because a bloodline has force sensitive members does not necessarily mean everyone of that house is strong in the force. I don't think.

Essentially, maybe it skipped a generation.

It still significantly weakens the lines. Even if his children were not very force sensitive, he and Yoda would both know there would be a chance at future children having stronger force abilities.

 

[ReAxion]

- Evil empire is building a planet-destroying base

They're always going to be doing that. Destroying a planet is the ultimate demonstration of power in the galaxy.

 

[Robot Pants]

Serious question - everyone keeps saying this was just a remake of ANH. Can someone explain? I didn't really get that vibe at all.

Sure.
Empire attacks ship/settlement looking for plans/map
Plans/map are hidden on droid
Droid escapes
Droid is hunted
Droid is captured and rescued by a hopeless teenager and main character on a desert planet
Main character and supporting characters arrive in a cantina filled with creatures from all walks of the galaxy
Empire has a giant Death Star once again and showcases its power. As they are charging up/ getting in position to deliver the final blow to the good guys, the good guys have precious minutes to attack and destroy Death Star.
Trench run to destroy Death Star/trench run to destroy star killer
Vader kills obi wan in front of main character/ kylo ren kills Han Solo in front of main character.