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[ReadingRambo]

Who Vader? They keep goading him to strike at the emperor and let his emotions take him over to the dark side. He knows he won't fight his father so the deflection by Vader works to re-direct his anger to him but Palpatine needs Luke to kill his father in order to firmly push him to the dark side. I feel like killing Palpatine would have started him on that path though maybe not with as much finality as with Vader. Thus Vader stops him to save his son..



Maybe





I would like to think so.

But if that was Vader's goal why wouldn't he just kill the Emperor himself right then and there?

 

[Brakke]

If you were paying attention, she had a flashback where it showed Luke dumping her off on a desert planet

the vision emphatically does not show that, it *may* vaguely imply it.

 

[Ishida]

I'll just say ROTS has a nicer ending shot than TFA.

Definitely.

But what made the end shot of TFA great was Luke's face and his tearing eyes. That really sold that for me.

They weren't children. They were younglings.

It's the same thing.

 

[SinShep]

This is essentially a comic book sequence. I wouldn't expect it in a live action movie, nor would I want to.

A comic book sequence in a live action movie might sound bad to you, but it sounds great to me.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

They weren't children. They were younglings.

 

[timewyrm]

I sure hope not. You don't come back from what he did. That shit is unforgivable.

Anakin came back.

 

[Inferno313]

As near impossible at it is currently, if we get this kind of fighting by IX it's gonna be great.

Nah, this is Star Wars, not anime.

 

[Anton Sugar]

My god can you imagine the amount of bitching if a new star wars movie had a ramp up slow motion action shot like that?

I wouldn't mind if the directors experimented with it more, as JJ did. Jedi can't stop time but if they can move fast, and do something interesting with how that is portrayed, go for it.

 

[Syf]

They weren't children. They were younglings.

Line still cracks me up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SqTR0DorSw

 

[FloatOn]

so what's the whole story on that Jedi artifact thing Luke was going after? I kind of missed that when I first watched it.

 

[Fritz]

One criticism: I know they cut back on it, but I thought there was still too much CGI. Stop doing CGI on characters Hollywood.

 

[DragonSworne]

Maybe Sith have some programming in them that they must protect their master?

 

[JB1981]

Even ignoring the prequels, Vader was a mass murderer and party to genocide.

We really really don't need another Skywalker redemption story.

We had 6 movies centered around that.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

A comic book sequence in a live action movie might sound bad to you, but it sounds great to me.

Did you enjoy Watchmen? Cuz that's what it would be.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

But if that was Vader's goal why wouldn't he just kill the Emperor himself right then and there?

Great question. I think he was still torn though on what to do but at that moment he couldn't let Luke make that choice which is contrary to what he ultimately desired - That he and Luke rule the galaxy together. Allowing him to strike the emperor down would have ensured that. By stopping him it had to be to save him.

 

[Ishida]

Nah, this is Star Wars, not anime.

Star Wars is not a static thing.

 

[Skellig Gra]

I really hope that Snoke is a projection and doesn't actually look like that.

So Andy Serkis is going to be himself in the next one? Doesn't seem likely.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Even ignoring the prequels, Vader was a mass murderer and party to genocide.

Hey, Kylo murdered an older, likeable mentor with his saber. Vader has never done anything like that.

 

[jelly]

Only problem with the last shot in TFA is it doesn't look like Star Wars, so blatantly the UK/Ireland. Nice location but it felt too close to home. You could say the same for the forests but I dunno something about that island, giants causeway or the set up. Didn't look or feel like a galaxy far far away.

 

[spyshagg]

So,



As I understood it...


...Rey defeated "Ben" who trained all his life, only a couple of hours after she dabbed into the force.

 

[Solo]

We really really don't need another Skywalker redemption story.

Well I hate to break it to you, but Skywalker redemption stories is the business that Star Wars is in. You can be damn sure that Luke is going to get his redemption after bailing on Ren.

 

[Inferno313]

Star Wars is not a static thing.

Sure, but the silliness of that fight scene is.

 

[The Chef]

man.. this film.. I can't get it out of my mind. I saw it yesterday and im going again today in about 3 hours.

I haven't let my mind wander so much on a film since, well since Star Wars..

everyone at work is talking about it, people that werent huge fans are now fully invested in this universe.

great job by Disney.

I cant stop thinking about it either. I've been in the reddit thread on and off all day and my god some of the gems that people are mentioning there are absolute gold.

Loved this comment:

I loved Kylo Ren. The more I think about him the more stuff that stands out.

He was a very complicated and deep character. The whole mask aspect is very subtle but very intelligent. When he has it on for the first half he's strong, fearless, scary, and unstoppable. Then he takes it off and not only is the guy underneath not that impressive (just some baby face), it's then the first time we see weakness (his fear that he won't be as strong as Vader).

This continues for the rest of the film. He takes it off again when he's confronted by Han and then becomes conflicted between the light and the dark sides of the force. The duel at the end is the only fight he loses and it's the only fight where the mask is off.

He did two interrogations in the film. The first masked up is a success. The second without the mask is a failure.

Masked up Kylo Ren is strong and powerful, but the boy behind the mask is weak, scared, and insecure. Almost unimpressive.

By far my favourite character.

Such an amazing connection.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

The whole force ghost thing has always seemed odd for Vader. Yes, he saved Luke, destroyed the Emperor and brought balance to the force, but that wasn't enough to gain redemption for all of the bad shit he did or let happen.

The fact JJ and Kasdan dialed back on Kylo's brutality and he showed more indecision before killing his father shows there's definitely a possibility he'll turn.

 

[Anton Sugar]

...Rey defeated "Ben" who trained all his life, only a couple of hours after she dabbed into the force.

One of the bigger theories floating around is that Rey was trained when she was younger but, for whatever reason, was placed into hiding.

 

[TheOfficeMut]

I hope Rey turns out to be Palpatine's grandkid because he was fucking on the side.

 

[JB1981]

Well I hate to break it to you, but Skywalker redemption stories is the business that Star Wars is in. You can be damn sure that Luke is going to get his redemption after bailing on Ren.

That's fine, but Kylo aka Anakin Lite's redemption being the center of this trilogy would suck.

 

[Ishida]

Sure, but the silliness of that fight scene is.

I don't know. Depending on how it is handled it can actually look pretty good.

 

[DragonSworne]

So,



As I understood it...


...Rey defeated "Ben" who trained all his life, only a couple of hours after she dabbed into the force.

She pushed back an injured mentally unstable Ben for a few seconds. The planet breaking in two stopped the fight before anyone was defeated.

 

[Chris R]

So,



As I understood it...


...Rey defeated "Ben" who trained all his life, only a couple of hours after she dabbed into the force.

She's experienced with a staff, and he was injured, emotional, and underestimated her.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I cant stop thinking about it either. I've been in the reddit thread on and off all day and my god some of the gems that people are mentioning there are absolute gold.

Loved this comment:


Such an amazing connection.

That is awesome.
Man I loved this movie.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Man, to be in a theater in 1980 with audiences experiencing the one-two punch of Luke losing a hand and the "Sup, Son?" reveal. How cool would that be?

It was really, really cool.

 

[FloatOn]

So,



As I understood it...


...Rey defeated "Ben" who trained all his life, only a couple of hours after she dabbed into the force.

Dear Internet:

KYLO REN TOOK A DIRECT HIT FROM A BOWCASTER PRIOR TO THE FIGHT.

love,

FloatOn

PS - he was also messed up mentally from just killing his dad

oh and let's not forget that Rey was on the defensive for the majority of the fight.

Why do people not get this?

 

[Divvy]

She's experienced with a staff, and he was injured, emotional, and underestimated her.

This

Dude was clearly tilting. Plus he was still sort of trying to get her to join him.

 

[A Penguin]

So,



As I understood it...


...Rey defeated "Ben" who trained all his life, only a couple of hours after she dabbed into the force.

Yes, after Ben got shot in the gut by Chewie's bowcaster. A bowcaster which was built up over the movie to be pretty damn OP. And after Ben killed his father, mentally fucking him up. And after Ben took a hit from Finn in their fight. It isn't hard to believe.

 

[Ishida]

Dear Internet:

KYLO REN TOOK A DIRECT HIT FROM A BOWCASTER PRIOR TO THE FIGHT.

love,

FloatOn

PS - he was also messed up mentally from just killing his dad

oh and let's not forget that Rey was on the defensive for the majority of the fight.

Why do people not get this?

You are barking to the wrong fanbase.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

They weren't children. They were younglings.

Anakin Simulator circa 2009 aka movie duels II for jedi academy.

Spoiler

that's my friend's laugh as I was showing him the mod

Come to think of it, Kylo Ren probably killed his share of younglings when he wiped out all of Luke's students.

 

[Fritz]

So,



As I understood it...


...Rey defeated "Ben" who trained all his life, only a couple of hours after she dabbed into the force.

He was wounded. They emphasized that when he was loosing blood and started punshing his wounded side.

 

[MMarston]

I'd be up for more brutally choreographed lightsaber fights if they can


I mean, they already got the Raid people

 

[timewyrm]

That's fine, but Kylo aka Anakin Lite's redemption being the center of this trilogy would suck.

Unless it's balanced with Rey's fall to the Darkside.

Spoiler

joke

 

[Sorcerer]

Gotta be, right? Before then, Vader had been actively trying to recruit Luke to the Dark Side. He even proposed the two of them might overthrow the Emperor together. Maybe when he saw Luke's rage he realized that wasn't what he wanted for him. The other possibility is that he knew Luke wouldn't have landed that blow. If he hadn't intervened, the Emperor would've just lightning-fried him right there?

I don't know how to read it except as Vader protecting Luke in some way.

Could be that Luke killing the Emperor at that point and not turning, would have left Vader in a heap of trouble as in he now has one less allay in his fight against Luke. The Emperor seems to not mind putting himself at suicidal risk, he knows he will covered in the end and it is a trick that works well for him as seen in Sith.

 

[Modest Mauser]

I'd be up for more brutally choreographed lightsaber fights if they can


I mean, they already got the Raid people

EASILY my largest disappointment of the film was finding out how insignificant Iko Uwais' role ended up being.

 

[Haloid1177]

Dear Internet:

KYLO REN TOOK A DIRECT HIT FROM A BOWCASTER PRIOR TO THE FIGHT.

love,

FloatOn

PS - he was also messed up mentally from just killing his dad

oh and let's not forget that Rey was on the defensive for the majority of the fight.

Why do people not get this?

Let's not forget Finn slashing his right arm with the lightsaber as well. Dude was fucked up well before he fought Rey.

 

[LegendofLex]

So,



As I understood it...


...Rey defeated "Ben" who trained all his life, only a couple of hours after she dabbed into the force.

Ben gave up on listening to the will of the Force - such that he's literally lamenting over the fact that he feels the pull of the light - so he could become more powerful.

Rey has literally nothing to go on except listening to the will of the Force.

Which do you think is the more effective of the two approaches? And why do you think the tipping point was when Rey stopped relying on her own abilities and started to reach out to the Force?

 

[ReadingRambo]

Dear Internet:

KYLO REN TOOK A DIRECT HIT FROM A BOWCASTER PRIOR TO THE FIGHT.

love,

FloatOn

PS - he was also messed up mentally from just killing his dad

oh and let's not forget that Rey was on the defensive for the majority of the fight.

Why do people not get this?

People needed an anime-tier reference to his weakened state apaprently.

"The Bowcaster shot from your Wookie friend has left me weakened, but I am still stronger than YOUUUUUUU!" ::charges with lightsaber held aloft, pointed the wrong way::

 

[Arkeband]

the vision emphatically does not show that, it *may* vaguely imply it.

It *absolutely* heavily implies it.

First she hears the crying of a baby. (implied to be her)

Then when she touches LUKE's lightsaber, she has flashbacks.

It shows the aftermath of (presumably) Kylo Ren (or her, if you want to go the 2edgy route), where Luke touches R2-D2 while stuff's on fire. It shows the Knights of Ren (I think?), then it shows her being dropped off on the desert planet while protesting and crying.

So basically this is showing that some tragedy happened while Luke was training new Jedi, Kylo Ren was involved, and the ultimate end result is she was dropped off on a desert planet.

 

[Mr Cola]

I read a theory yesterday that Snoke created Rey as a clone of Luke, to turn her the right way, Luke found out and hid her on a planet and forbid contact.

Bit silly, but I think it could be quite interesting if done well.

 

[shiftplusone]

Was the whole thing with the map even necessary? I know Poe thought it was since it was a map to luke and everyone wanted to know, but it looks like only Rey went to go see him right?

And it seemed like She already knew where he was subconciously. When Ren is trying to interrogate her he says "There's a solitary island surrounded by oceans" or whatever which surprise surprise ends up being where Luke is at

I wonder if through the force she would have found her way there anyway? I mean, the map makes it easy to get her there/help Leia and them realize they know where Luke is but it just seemed like a big long plot point when Rey had the connection

 

[jelly]

Dear Internet:

KYLO REN TOOK A DIRECT HIT FROM A BOWCASTER PRIOR TO THE FIGHT.

love,

FloatOn

PS - he was also messed up mentally from just killing his dad

oh and let's not forget that Rey was on the defensive for the majority of the fight.

Why do people not get this?

Girls because reasons.

Film layed it out perfectly. I don't get what people are seeing either.

 

[Accoun]

Sheev is goofy as fuck. But Snoke is just plain lol.

Darth Snooky.

Snoke just reminds me of "snot".