Raven117
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Don't know about the chosen grandchild part, but something similar to this. I just don't see Disney going to deep into the lore here.
Also, Ren isn't "magical" but will be similar to Luke and Anakin in their use of the force....
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Don't know about the chosen grandchild part, but something similar to this. I just don't see Disney going to deep into the lore here.
Also, Ren isn't "magical" but will be similar to Luke and Anakin in their use of the force....
WadiumArcadium
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I'm not entirely against the idea but for a film that only briefly references the prequel trilogy (understandably, it's over fifty years ago) do you really think JJ and Kasdan would pull a character from one line of dialogue in Revenge of the Sith as their main villain for this new trilogy?
Spehornoob
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I don't see him getting redeemed either. I was just speaking about a hypothetical redemption.
Don't see him surviving the trilogy though. I think he's gonna get into a bigger dick contest with someone way more powerful and evil than he is and get murderfaced.
The One Who Knocks
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Honestly I find these a little insincere to what we blatantly see in the actual film. There's no need for a 'struggle' between Rey and the dark side, because in that final sequence she's drawing her entire power from the dark side. She becomes incredibly aggressive, she is clearly angry, and she has just suffered the death of 'the father she never had' and the presumed death of one of her friends. Rey had no struggle there, because she has absolutely no reason to let him live. The camera changes as Ren is knocked onto the ground to follow Rey, and slows ever so slightly, to signify the dramatic moment where she is just going to flat out murder him there while he's knocked on the ground defenceless. In contrast to the idea that she doesn't even get a second to contemplate whether to kill him, I very much think the truth is closer to her never even considering to spare him. Yes, the novelisation resolves in a different manner, and she's compassionate and a clear source of light in the film, sure, but in the film every strike she makes in that final fight after she begins to listen to the force is aggressive and reminiscent of Luke in Return of the Jedi, and she's stopped only by the separation (which is contrived in how cleanly they're brought about, that I can definitely agree). I honestly vehemently disagree that Rey having a struggle between the light and dark isn't introduced in that final fight as filmed.
Doing what? Calling you out on your BS? Yeah, I am.
There have been other people who disliked the movie but at least they didn't go in wanting to hate it.
Like LowKeyedUp said, you've been on a mission before the movie even came out. I remember when we first got about 20 positive tweet about the movie but you instantly gravitated to the single negative tweet.
One single Tweet confirmed to you that the movie was going to be a disappointment. You wanted to hate the move. Why? I've no idea.
BigWeather
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Yes! My favorite "character " in SW is the Stormtrooper and they were great (though I prefer the earlier version of them, that concept art is awesome).
Jacksinthe
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I agree with you, but I'm wondering, what would have happened if young Anakin was mind probed? Would his unnatural Force abilities have given him insight to fight back?
I think that's kind of the implication here, where mind probing works better the less force sensitive the victim is. This is the same way that Jedi mind tricks work on the weak minded.
Ren trying to use Jedi mind tricks on a latent, super-gifted Jedi was a huge mistake, because her grasp of the Force basically allowed her to reverse engineer how it's done.
I'm thinking (hoping) that TFA was a condensed nod/soft reboot of not just ANH but the entire trilogy, that will serve as a spring board for future episodes to go their own way.
Regardless of the clear errors in editing TFA did its job of establishing the characters, which, to me, was most important.
I'm definitely excited.
Trigonometrize.
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I agree with the you pick it up quick thing. Luke was deflecting blaster shots from the training ball super fast, and that was with zero tension stressing his mind to do better. Think of what he could've done in Rey's poisition, strapped to a torture chair with mask dude back any moment.
That's actually a good way of thinking about it, and explains how I feel about it.
1/3 of this movie was copied directly from previous movies.
1/3 of this movie was setting up future movies.
1/3 of this movie was this movie.
I like the 1/3 of a movie I got, but that's about all it's worth until the future films give that other 1/3 some more context.
The 1/3 copied was a complete waste of time, could have been done in a hundred more interesting ways, and as is made the whole thing feel like a fanboy written Star Wars 2.0.
With the amount of info left out between this and Return of the Jedi, you could cut to The Force Awakens straight from A New Hope and it would make about as much sense.
Pai Pai Master
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I mean, its not like that one line of dialogue would go very far in the next film if we get that reveal. Palpatine was still very much a major force in the originals and they can just reveal at that time that Plagueis was his master.
WadiumArcadium
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True, but Palpatine's supposed to be the main villain of the saga. Surely him being fooled by Plaguieis, who then hides away for a long while for some reason, would make him seem like a bit of a chump.
It just doesn't seem likely to me.
Yo screw Rey and finn, I want to know more about that random storm trooper. Dude was seriously unimpressed by a light saber being ignited and wanted a piece of that
Rey demonstrates she can fight inside the first ten minutes we see her.
She literally starts this movie as a stronger fighter than ANH Luke. Be it self-taught or otherwise, she had some form of combat raining where Luke didn't at all.
TheOctodad
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True.
New statement, that's WOSE than calling Vader, "Darth."
Darth is at least a rank. Ren is a group. Kylo is a "Knight of Ren." It'd be kind of like calling Lancelot, "Round Table."
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Rey was bashing and swinging away. She's already been handling a staff for years, she knows how to use a weapon. The force and presumably some minimal training she may have also had as a child may have contributed to her winning.
These are the kinds of things you can fill in yourself. I don't see them as issues at all. There is enough mystery and fantasy introduced to not let it ruin your enjoyment. It's easy story telling. Most people don't need to have these things explained to them, and since they don't have enough time to explain them, I'm happy with leaving it for the rest of us to put those things together.
These are the kinds of things you can fill in yourself. I don't see them as issues at all. There is enough mystery and fantasy introduced to not let it ruin your enjoyment. It's easy story telling. Most people don't need to have these things explained to them, and since they don't have enough time to explain them, I'm happy with leaving it for the rest of us to put those things together.
It is still a sword, if a regular person picked up a sword and tried to fight a person trained to defend against swords, they would fail. Rey has actually fought before hence her taking on those two guys at the market and knocking Finn down. She knows how to use a staff, hence her poking a bunch at first. Some how she now is an accomplished sword fighter? I'm sure there will be some BS excuse like "oh well she is channeling genes from Luke and Anakin so she knows how, as if lightsaber combat is a genetic trait.
It is JJ Abrams doing magic hand waving to just get to a conclusion.
SuperStiltzkin
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She is the Boba Fett of the new trilogy. People think she's badass cause of her armor, not because she actually does anything. The one cool shot of her walking in the trailer cut short just before she got tackled into a wall by Chewie.
episode 8 hasn't even started filming yet lol
some speculation has been posted in this thread
This really bothered me. The idea of Phasma just cooperating with the rebels because she's being held hostage is weird. If she was a true badass general, she would go "You'll have to shoot me, because I ain't lowerin' dat shield, yo".
HoodWinked
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just realized finn taking poe's jacket is basically the postman now you must all admit that the postman was an alright film.
That's easy to avoid. Have Plagueis be the master Palpatine defeated, but he managed to survive in a pathetic state.
After 40 years he has recovered his power and tripled it, and now he'll succeed were Sheev failed to prove himself superior to him.
spoilers, he'll fail too. but if he shows how far his powers have advanced since then. He can feel like a threat.
I don't know about the Plageuis thing but yea Luke definitely went out to seek something at the first jedi temple. Everyone thinks he exiled himself but maybe he sees a bigger threat and is looking for information on that.
"Yea but droids don't rip people's arms out of their sockets when they lose, Wookies are known to do that."
Safe to say Phasma wasn't the suicidal type.
Admiral Woofington
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I see a lot of Finn ships sailing.
But where's the R2D2 BB8 ship?
But where's the R2D2 BB8 ship?
Scientist Supreme!
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Oh your really doing this. The disappointment was it being too similar to A New Hope. I "gravitated" towards the negative tweet because it was a person who I share similar opinions on films with. I "trust" him. It's a very common thing.
Also, I don't hate the film, I just didn't like it. Here's my "review": http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=189813761&postcount=12430
Photons have no mass though. And Interdictors that project gravity wells to halt hyperspace jumps have always been part of the Star Wars universe. Not that I think that this is a problem in the movie, I really don't care that they ignored it.
Yes and somehow Luke is an expert X wing pilot even tho he has never went into space since living a seculuded life with his uncle. And knows how to use its weapons with zero training. And makes the miracle shot because something something force.
But we don't have a thread questioning that.
She's less than Bob Fett. Fett got away with a captured Han Solo in his first real appearance.
Glass Shark
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I never even considered the fact that Kylo was wounded during the final fight and I still accepted it at face value. The film made it very clear that he's powerful but totally unrefined. He likes to show off, but he's not the hot shit he thinks he is.
That's literally all there is. Add that to the fact that he's wounded and it's perfectly believable within this universe that the final fight played out like it did.
Some of you need to chill.
That's literally all there is. Add that to the fact that he's wounded and it's perfectly believable within this universe that the final fight played out like it did.
Some of you need to chill.
CloudyTuba
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Definitely should have been something between them for our sake, even if brief.
However Chewie seems like a pretty on the ball guy so I'm not all that shocked that he didn't stop. When Han died, Chewie immediately sprung into action, hit the explosive button and started wrecking shit.
If I remember correctly, when he got back it looked like he was tending to Finn and getting him to care. I think he was more concerned at the time with Finn's serious injuries than with stopping to have a cry with Leia. Chewie gets shit done.
WadiumArcadium
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He's sounding more like Voldemort all the time lol.
There's one big spoiler thread for everything SW related in OT Community.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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She's not even Boba Fett. They neutered (spayed?) her in the first movie; someone else said earlier it'd be like if Boba Fett being dangled over the Sarlac Pit was our introduction to him.
Pai Pai Master
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I'm still 50/50 on the idea, but I think it can be explained away without that kind of conflict. Palpatine was supposed to have killed his master, correct? Let's say he did succeed by virtually all means but he was still able to just barely cling to life, and it's taken him until now to just begin to regain his power.
Palpatine would still be seen as very powerful and still did everything he did of his own power and accord. But now that he is gone, a more ancient power is retaking its rightful place at the top of the Sith food chain.
Again, not fully for or against it but its absolutely the kind of thing that needs a proper reasoning and explanation to not feel cheap or unwarranted. Right now my only feeling on the matter is it would feel kinda lame if Snoke was just some random other guy who just happened to be around this whole time and no one knew about him.
Angry Grimace
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A person in the position of Phasma in the military would rather die than being the catalyst for the destruction of her entire army.
I don't know if her character will play a larger role in the trilogy, but speaking specifically about Ep. VII, her character was a complete waste and handled terribly and unconvincing.
Lights and Waves
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I really liked the sound of Phasma's voice. The effect was just really pleasing to the ears. Her annunciation was kind of robotic too, in a silly way.
Skellig Gra
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I didn't have any issues with her fighting skills. My biggest issue with her skill set was how she is apparently a master pilot having never left Jakku.
Admiral Woofington
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that same website says it's a robo ship.
Which sounds like a badass show.
SAILING AROUUUUUUUUUUUUUND
ON THE ROBOT SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP
starring R2D2 as Captain Beep Boop
And that's not exactly a bad thing, Voldemort is one of the most iconic villains for the newer generations.
Taking some of that and adapting it to Star Wars can work considering both series have a lot in common.
Except Harry Potter fans are a lot more forgiving of Rowling lol.
PrivateWHudson
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Interesting thought. As much as I want to act like the prequels don't exist; hypothetically, the Jedi (Yoda/Obi Wan) pushing Anakin to be the last hope of the light is most likely what caused him to push back and be more easily manipulated by the dark. However, as shown on screen, he was too wrapped up in himself and probably would have buckled under the pressure instead of learning from it.
The same way Luke is an expert pilot and yet never left his uncles farm.
At least TFA also shows how she knows the way around ships and can repair them.
What about Luke?
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