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[Sephzilla]

Nothing Luke does in ANH is something only an expert pilot would be able to do, the most being his shot against the Death Star which was down to using the force anyway.

In what seems to be Rey's first time flying a ship she's able to navigate a Star Destroyer ruin with ease, something which I wouldn't even think Han would be able to do as easy.

1) Nothing implies that was her first time flying a ship, in fact the movie implies quite the opposite

2) She's been getting scraps off of Star Destroyers, it's logical to assume she'd be able to navigate through one.

 

[Brakke]

What about the X wings weapons? The entire movie depicts him being a novice and naive. Yet Miracle shot because of the force.

But Rey is too outlandish /s

Yeah I don't know if I'm going to hold that up as *sufficiently* motivating Luke flying against the Death Star. I was just answering the question of what did Luke have prior to getting in the cockpit.

And he also has a buddy (Biggs) from back home in the attack, too. So we have that guy vouching for Luke.

 

[brandonh83]

Considering she's probably been living off of scrapping Star Destroyers and other vehicles, she probably knows something about their layout

Why does this even have to be explained?

 

[Kor of Memory]

Problem is Anakin had already won a podrace (he's even mentioned to be the only human who can participate) and we already knew his reflexes were a product of his force sensitivity before he got inside the Starfighter.

Rey just "tries" stuff and excels at it at her third try. Anakin had a lot of practice as a pilot before that. Rey got it perfectly at her first few tries.

We have no idea how many tries she has had.

Obviously she has flown something before since she had a ship she preferred over that "pile of garbage"

 

[Glass Shark]

where did he learn spinning (that's a good trick!)

you just triggered me, grats

 

[Boke1879]

Please god no

Why not? She's supposed to have a bigger role and they can turn her character around. She has a clear motive. Not necessarily against Finn but the Resistance in general. I would not be shocked if those two meet up against each other.

 

[GodParticle]

I was really hoping that the big twist of the movie and the reason you didn't see luke in the promo stuff was that he had actually been killed much earlier(ganked by kylo and his crew would have been an epic battle) and was now a force ghost. I think they could have done something interesting with that

 

[Meowster]

Haha, I already started calling him that in texts between my cousins.



Why would you assume this is her first time flying a ship? She clearly was confident in flying the quad jumper, as she led them to it during the attack. She straight up calls herself a pilot. And then pilots a ship. She is a pilot.

This is what I got from it too? It isn't like she ever said that she wasn't a pilot, we even see her flying around in her small little speeder, and seemed confident enough to head towards a ship instead of hide. She's a pilot.

 

[Toa TAK]

C-3PO slapped R2D2 in this movie

the magic is gone.

Well, it has always been an abusive relationship.

 

[Hamster Plugin]

Yeah. They really have to make up for how they handled her here. I want this woman to be a massive threat to the protagonists. I want her to be relentless, ruthless and dangerous. When they ordered her to disable the shields I was like "Dafuq is this shit?"

There really weren't enough women in the bad guys' side in the first place, in comparison with the rebels. The only other bad lady I remember is the one that reminds us how long it will take for their big weapon to charge. You could replace her with a damn progress bar "40% complete, 15 minutes remaining" and it would make no difference.

Phasma was the only bad woman with a big role in the film and is treated like a joke.

 

[Fj0823]

Rey implied that she was a pilot in the movie. Also, what about Luke?

Oh I have zero issues on her piloting skills, those were well established in her banters with Han and Finn.

Luke piloted a ship to shoot the rat things, then practiced a bit of force deflecting (which he doesn't use until much later in the saga) then allows the force to guide his shot, but we already knew he had ptactice with similar targets.

Rey gets force pulls, mind control and lightsaber skills down with first few tries..That was hard to buy, I'm even willing to get combat a pass since she looked very inexperienced during the fight and was fighting a gimped enemy. The other 2 need some background.

 

[Real Hero]

Do you think r2 called c3po a homophobic slur? c3po was really pissed off at him

 

[Nostremitus]

Holy crap where did the First Order get the resources to build the Starkiller?

Slave labor and empty planets to mine. No major financial resources required at that point.

Oh I have zero issues on her piloting skills, those were well established in her banters with Han and Finn.

Luke piloted a ship to shoot the rat things, then practiced a bit of force deflecting (which he doesn't use until much later in the saga) then allows the force to guide his shot, but we already knew he had ptactice with similar targets.

Rey gets force pulls, mind control and lightsaber skills down with first few tries..That was hard to buy, I'm even willing to get combat a pass since she looked very inexperienced during the fight and was fighting a gimped enemy. The other 2 need some background.

The only thing that makes sense to me is if one of the following happened:

1) Luke, having seen the future, imprinted Anakin's lightsaber with a mental connection so that when Rey touches it his knowledge of the force is passed to her.

Or

2) Anakin called to her through the force, using his lightsabre as a catalyst, and implanted knowledge in order for her to confront the walking bastardization of everything he died for.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

It blew my mind when they did that rebel-meeting and came up with the plan in about 5 seconds that this "death star" had some sort of exhaust/access/whatever, where they could blow it up.

Wow, didn't even think about this.
They must have known and got plans for Starkiller before it fired. But If that's the case why didn't the republic do anything about it.
Odd.
Edit: disregard this

 

[kingocfs]

They have shields for a reason.

Sure, but if it wasn't for Han and Chewie planting detonators everywhere (which she didn't know about) their attack would have outright failed. She was too confident and she was kind of right to be.

 

[Brakke]

Also, dude, MAGIC.

"The force" is no skill you level up in formal training.

Luke spends most of Empire having a training montage in which he levels up from nothing to arm-stand rock juggling through formal training...

 

[Boke1879]

Why does this even have to be explained?

I can understand wanting some things further expanded on but other things people just want every little detail to have it's backstory explained which you just can't do or you're looking at a 5+ hour movie.

 

[KHarvey16]

Oh I have zero issues on her piloting skills, those were well established in her banters with Han and Finn.

Luke piloted a ship to shoot the rat things, then practiced a bit of force deflecting (which he doesn't use until much later in the saga) then allows the force to guide his shot, but we already knew he had ptactice with similar targets.

Rey gets force pulls, mind control and lightsaber skills down with first few tries..That was hard to buy, I'm even willing to get combat a pass since she looked very inexperienced during the fight and was fighting a gimped enemy. The other 2 need some background.

She was already shown to be a good fighter.

 

[Pro]

Tractor beams are targeted elements. The First Order chose to shoot the ship down, not bring it back.

Photons of light travel at the speed of light and are emitted by stars. They escape the gravitational pull just fine. Its why we have sunlight.

Yeah dumb decision on the First Order's part.

In the Star Wars universe you have to clear a planet's gravity before jumping to hyperspace which is faster than light speed. The gravity prevents the hyper drive from creating hyperspace. A star would have significantly higher gravity than a planet and they looked to be pretty close still.

 

[Fliesen]

Oh I have zero issues on her piloting skills, those were well established in her banters with Han and Finn.

Luke piloted a ship to shoot the rat things, then practiced a bit of force deflecting (which he doesn't use until much later in the saga) then allows the force to guide his shot, but we already knew he had ptactice with similar targets.

Rey gets force pulls, mind control and lightsaber skills down with first few tries..That was hard to buy, I'm even willing to get combat a pass since she looked very inexperienced during the fight and was fighting a gimped enemy. The other 2 need some background.

Same goes for Luke.

in the Wampa cave he pulls out the saber pretty fast.
when he's wearing the helmed with the blast shield down he blocks a 3 shot-combo - BLIND.

Luke spends most of Empire having a training montage in which he levels up from nothing to arm-stand rock juggling through formal training...

those are mostly mental training. It's focussing on the here and now. Not 'force weightlifting'

 

[thewaffles]

Especially when the rebels find out about it so last minute and then take it down just as quickly as they found out.

I just wish they fleshed out the New Republic and Senate and such at some point in the movie. It would've made Starkiller seem so much better, since I mean, it did destroy the entire system that housed the Senate and the Republic fleet. But since we really didn't know anything about those planets or really the New Republic at all, it really didn't have a huge impact. It could've been much better.

 

[Brakke]

Wow, didn't even think about this.
They must have known and got plans for Starkiller before it fired. But If that's the case why didn't the republic do anything about it.
Odd.

They didn't had plans. Finn picks the Oscillator target, right?

 

[DiipuSurotu]

They're not going to bring in midichlorians and clones into this. They're almost totally distancing themselves from the prequels.

Clonetroopers were referenced when Ren suggested they could switch to clones if the programmed Stormtroopers are not obedient enough.

 

[Boke1879]

Luke spends most of Empire having a training montage in which he levels up from nothing to arm-stand rock juggling through formal training...

Luke could force pull his saber right at the beginning of the movie with no instruction whatsoever. That rock juggling shit was just to help him focus his mind.

 

[Dice]

Problem is Anakin had already won a podrace (he's even mentioned to be the only human who can participate) and we already knew his reflexes were a product of his force sensitivity before he got inside the Starfighter.

Rey just "tries" stuff and excels at it at her third try. Anakin had a lot of practice as a pilot before that. Rey got it perfectly at her first few tries.

You can't name pod racing as "training" when it isn't even supposed to be humanly possible. If he can pod race as a small child, she can fly ships as a 19-20 year old.

Didn't she have experience working for the Junker guy? I've only seen it once, but she was going on about how he replaced this and that and she thought it was a mistake. I assumed that she worked on ships at one point for the Junker and at least took them out for test drives occasionally. She knew which were good, and which were garbage.

Yes, this and her confident statement that she is a pilot is supposed to tell us that she knows more than just some girl who pulls parts out of an old Star Destroyer. Like most things Star Wars, we find out why in supplementary materials. Apparently she had been doing pilot VR for years. She even apparently knew about the construction of the Falcon and modifications they had made to it, and disagreed with some of their choices. So while some particulars of the controls were something she had to sort out in actually flying it, it was like a gamer learning the button layout for a game and from there on using their skills.

 

[Squire]

Why does this even have to be explained?

Every breath Rey takes is another huge plot hole

TFA is the Swiss cheese of movies /s

 

[KingSnake]

What are some of these plot holes? Seriously asking. I'll get the easy example of Maz getting the lightsaber out of the way now, but what are the others?

You want me to explain the theories I'm making fun of?

 

[Jarmel]

Also, dude, MAGIC.

"The force" is no skill you level up in formal training.

That's why there's no such thing as a Jedi academy.

 

[MMarston]

heh friend sent me this

 

[Sephzilla]

That's why there's no such thing as a Jedi academy.

Well not anymore

 

[Pro]

Luke knew how to fly, he used to fly the family T-16 and was wanting to go to the academy for more formal training.

He was bullseyeing womp rats in that T-16 and they're not event that much bigger than two meters!

 

[Glass]

After they escape the Tie fights, doesn't Finn ask Rey if she has done that before, in regards to flying, and she says never?

People need to stop being so sensitive when Rey is brought up. She's my favourite character in the movie, pointing out how good she is at everything in the film doesn't automatically make someone a sexist/asshole/whatever.

 

[Glass Shark]

all of the Rey hate is just casual sexism

come at me

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

They didn't had plans. Finn picks the Oscillator target, right?

Your right.

 

[darkwing-buck]

I keep mixing up Snoke's name with Shinnok from Mortal Kombat

 

[ProudCanuck]

People cant handle that Rey is very force sensitive.

 

[Real Hero]

hopefully reys weaknesses will get a focus through her training like Luke's did with Yoda.

 

[KHarvey16]

After they escape the Tie fights, doesn't Finn ask Rey if she has done that before, in regards to flying, and she says never?

People need to stop being so sensitive when Rey is brought up. She's my favourite character in the movie, pointing out how good she is at everything in the film doesn't automatically make someone a sexist/asshole/whatever.

Not in regards to flying, but flying the way she did in that fight. It's clear she's flown before.

 

[Haloid1177]

all of the Rey hate is just casual sexism

come at me

And Finn getting his ass kicked was casual racism right.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

all of the Rey hate is just casual sexism

come at me

Sounds like an easy way to nullify someone's points by making them out to be a bad person.

No need to come at you, you don't want to discuss the character at all.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

all of the Rey hate is just casual sexism

come at me

What if I just dislike her?

 

[-griffy-]

After they escape the Tie fights, doesn't Finn ask Rey if she has done that before, in regards to flying, and she says never?

People need to stop being so sensitive when Rey is brought up. She's my favourite character in the movie, pointing out how good she is at everything in the film doesn't automatically make someone a sexist/asshole/whatever.

She had never done a crazy thing like evade TIE fighters while flying through a downed star destroyer and then doing an epic drift move by cutting the engines and free flying the Falcon vertical in order to line up the broken turret perfectly so Finn could shoot down the TIE. She's certainly flown a ship before.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Some of my friends really can't get over the mind trick scene. It makes no sense to them how she knows.

 

[Glass Shark]

What if I just dislike her?

it's okay to be wrong

No need to come at you, you don't want to discuss the character at all.

It's been discussed to death, there are plenty of reasonable explanations for everything she does in the film WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THIS UNIVERSE

There's nothing up for discussion. The filmmakers know better than you about what is and isn't possible in this fiction. Sorry it doesn't fit into your paradigm.

 

[Brakke]

when he's wearing the helmed with the blast shield down he blocks a 3 shot-combo - BLIND.

"Good against remotes that's one thing. Good against the living, that's something else."

those are mostly mental training. It's focussing on the here and now. Not 'force weightlifting'

Luke could force pull his saber right at the beginning of the movie with no instruction whatsoever. That rock juggling shit was just to help him focus his mind.

Yes that's right. He practices focusing his mind. Because that's how you get better at things. You practice them. There's a word for practicing a skill you wanna hone.

Dudes come on. Obviously you can get better at Force mastery by training.

 

[injurai]

I don't see redemption in store for Kylo Ren.

Nor do I.

 

[The One Who Knocks]

Killing someone in the heat of battle is very different than slaughtering a downed and defeated enemy.

So yeah, in the fight she's angry and feeding off emotion and swinging savagely, sure. Once she downs him that should be a chance for introspection, recognize that she's feeding off her passions and decide if that's something she wants to be doing. We're left with a clear question: how does Rey feel about having been consumed by a berserker rage? Is she afraid of herself? Is she seduced by the power the she felt?

I expect that'll be a direct conversation with Luke in the next one, but it's kind of limp that we don't have much to go off of now. Does Rey tend Dark or tend Light is basically up in the air.

Well obviously it's a question for the next one where she'll explore her own command of the force during her training with Luke, and as we observe more actions. The claim that was made is the question of her struggling with the dark side wasn't even opened. When you recognise she's fighting aggressively, swinging savagely, and feeding off her emotion, traits which have all been portrayed as traits of one whose fighting is empowered by the Dark Side, how isn't that opening up the question of her having a struggle with the Dark Side? The more contrived thing to happen in that fight is for her, while fighting aggressively and feeing off her emotion, walking to Ren with a clear motive of killing him, is to suddenly stop and consider "Wait, I'm considering killing him, I may fall to the dark side" when she has no memory of guidance on the force and how one falls down that path. The fight and her style of fighting is reminiscent of Luke and Vader in Return of the Jedi, and the only reason Luke ended up sparing him, and had a moment of introspection, was due to the goading of the Emperor. Even as a user above mentioned, the cliffs separating was contrived because if it didn't we wouldn't have two more movies, because Rey would have killed Ren then and there. It opens the idea of her struggling with a dark side, which is fine, it's the first movie of a trilogy, she's not going to work through it all while her friend is lying there dying, the planet is collapsing, and Ren is lying there wondering what on earth she's doing standing there talking to herself deciding what to do with him.

 

[Azerare]

it's okay to be wrong

Haha that's a great followup to that!

 

[Experien]

Yes and somehow Luke is an expert X wing pilot even tho he has never went into space since living a seculuded life with his uncle. And knows how to use its weapons with zero training. And makes the miracle shot because something something force.

But we don't have a thread questioning that.

But Luke flies planes and even brags about bullseyeing small creatures in a fast airspeeder. Biggs Darklighter even vouches for Luke's experience flying. So right there you have proof that he has flight experience and that he is an excellent pilot including bullseyeing targets.

And he wasn't a good fighter until he saw his old friend & new mentor die and that was his only time using a weapon not in a ship.

 

[Meowster]

all of the Rey hate is just casual sexism

come at me

Not all of it but a good part of it is when Luke is very guilty of some of the same things in ANH.