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[Perfect Cha0s]

I keep mixing up Snoke's name with Shinnok from Mortal Kombat

Kimono-like collar? Check.

Pale skin? Check.

Blue eyes? Check.

dear god

 

[UpperCaseN]

How many did they say Luke was training before Kylo Ren turned to the dark side? I think it was 2

Did Han call his son "Ben" when he yelled his name on the bridge?

Loved the movie. I teared up during 4 different scenes

 

[Jarmel]

Just like with most forms of magic, you obviously get better at using the Force through actual training.

 

[Boke1879]

hopefully reys weaknesses will get a focus through her training like Luke's did with Yoda.

I think it will. I think her learning the truth will be hard for her also she might think she's hot shit after defeating Ren. That could play against her.

 

[Sesuadra]

After they escape the Tie fights, doesn't Finn ask Rey if she has done that before, in regards to flying, and she says never?

People need to stop being so sensitive when Rey is brought up. She's my favourite character in the movie, pointing out how good she is at everything in the film doesn't automatically make someone a sexist/asshole/whatever.

I understand that as a "I never fought against Tie Fighters, flew like a crazy maniac to get rid of them"

she said she can fly anything afaik and in the book it is established

Spoiler

she even reconstructed a ship or something like that. correct me if I'm wrong

How many did they say Luke was training before Kylo Ren turned to the dark side? I think it was 2

Did Han call his son "Ben" when he yelled his name on the bridge?

Loved the movie. I teared up during 4 different scenes

yes he called him ben.

 

[Salvadora]

Snoke was lame though

I'm intrigued as to his story but he just looks like a bad CG character unlike the personification of evil in the Emporer.

Hope they don't Thanos him by not doing anything for multiple movies and generally being a nothing character

 

[Anton Sugar]

Not all of it but a good part of it is when Luke is very guilty of some of the same things in ANH.

I'm cool with that. Rey is a better acted, more motivated, and more interesting version of Luke in ANH.

 

[Armaros]

But Luke flies planes and even brags about bullseyeing small creatures in a fast airspeeder. Biggs Darklighter even vouches for Luke's experience flying. So right there you have proof that he has flight experience and that he is an excellent pilot including bullseyeing targets.

And he wasn't a good fighter until he saw his old friend & new mentor die and that was his only time using a weapon not in a ship.

But living on a junk planet by yourself, scavenging and fixing and flying starships isn't enough to be a good pilot.

Being good enough to be complimented by Han and knowing what's wrong with the Falcon don't count either.

 

[MMarston]

all of the Rey hate is just casual sexism

come at me

it's okay to be wrong

this aint how this works

 

[Sephzilla]

Some of my friends really can't get over the mind trick scene. It makes no sense to them how she knows.

Rey has clearly heard stories/legends of the Jedi. Maybe she heard about the whole mind trick thing, realized she had force abilities, and said "lets give this a shot"

 

[LegendofLex]

Wow, didn't even think about this.
They must have known and got plans for Starkiller before it fired. But If that's the case why didn't the republic do anything about it.

They mentioned sending a reconnaissance ship to scope it out, and the First Order likewise mentioned tracking the ship back to their base, which is how they were able to target their planet in the first place.

How many did they say Luke was training before Kylo Ren turned to the dark side? I think it was 2

There's a scene with at least a dozen dead bodies during the lightsaber flashback.

 

[brandonh83]

Not all of it but a good part of it is when Luke is very guilty of some of the same things in ANH.

All I know is that I must watch movies with a much different mindset than some. Sexism doesn't register to me unless it's blatant. Otherwise I cannot imagine being in such a mindset to where I'd start mentally digging for controversy. It's fucked up.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Not all of it but a good part of it is when Luke is very guilty of some of the same things in ANH.

They mention a billion times that Poe is one of the best pilots in the Galaxy and we just accept it

But when Rey says she can pilot a ship and does so accordingly, suddenly we need to see the receipts

Rey has clearly heard stories/legends of the Jedi. Maybe she heard about the whole mind trick thing, realized she had force abilities, and said "lets give this a shot"

The movie very clearly shows that Rey and Finn have heard all about the Jedi. Jedi mind tricks are known about in the OT despite most of the Jedi being long gone. Why is it even being argued that Rey shouldn't know about them? She just had an encounter with Kylo Ren involving mind powers, and absolutely has to have at least heard about it at some point.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

It blew my mind when they did that rebel-meeting and came up with the plan in about 5 seconds that this "death star" had some sort of exhaust/access/whatever, where they could blow it up.

Worst part of the movie (except terrible names) for sure. Where did they even get the schematics? Finn was going to give them an idea of the layout, and they come back with full technical blueprints.

 

[Boke1879]

Snoke was lame though

I'm intrigued as to his story but he just looks like a bad CG character unlike the personification of evil in the Emporer.

Hope they don't Thanos him by not doing anything for multiple movies and generally being a nothing character

Yea I'm more interested in who he is, backstory, etc..

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Rey has clearly heard stories/legends of the Jedi. Maybe she heard about the whole mind trick thing, realized she had force abilities, and said "lets give this a shot"

oh I agree. 100%

apparently she should have mentioned prior knowledge or some shit. Why do people need everything explained?

like one line

"the jedi? the force? mind tricks is all true? when talking to Han"

would appease them.. lol

 

[shortsFortallPeople]

So,

Kylo has shown a willingness to kill his own father, who wants to bet he might kill his father figure too?

 

[Messypandas]

Some of my friends really can't get over the mind trick scene. It makes no sense to them how she knows.

I think the force is more than a magic book of quick tricks. Once you start feeling it, you start discovering its powers intuitively.

 

[Sesuadra]

Worst part of the movie (except terrible names) for sure. Where did they even get the schematics? Finn was going to give them an idea of the layout, and the come back with full technical blueprints.

IIRC they said they got them earlier.

Rey has clearly heard stories/legends of the Jedi. Maybe she heard about the whole mind trick thing, realized she had force abilities, and said "lets give this a shot"

this^ she seems to have a lot of knowledge about the myths about the jedi.

 

[Fj0823]

Same goes for Luke.

in the Wampa cave he pulls out the saber pretty fast.
when he's wearing the helmed with the blast shield down he blocks a 3 shot-combo - BLIND.



those are mostly mental training. It's focussing on the here and now. Not 'force weightlifting'

That was 3 years later and he struggled a lot more than Rey to get it right. Rey's first force pull overpowered an experienced dark side user's one.

That was waaaay too much.

 

[Kyne]

it's a shame that a lot of the development of Rey is done off-screen, which explains most of her on screen presence.

But she can fly a ship—something she learned from a flight simulator she found while scavenging, according to the book Before the Awakening—and she can fight with a staff, a necessary skill for surviving in a lawless place like Jakku. Her mechanical skills are excellent, because, if an item is in working condition, the Jakku junk-dealer Unkar Plutt will pay more for it—and that means she’ll get more food portions for it. Rey is resourceful, and most of this training occurs offscreen, well before we meet her.

people can't be bothered to do homework. Then again, they probably shouldn't have to.

 

[Pro]

Indeed, but that's apparently an accepted level of stupidity in this Universe

It is a pretty stupid idea but it's not what the overarching story and theme is supposed to envoke. It's accepted by fans because Star Wars is a fantastical universe with the kind of stories that are supposed to inspire wonder and imagination. It's not supposed to be a super realistic Mission Impossible film where every detail is shored up and accounted for. Moreover a goal of Ep. VII was to reinvigorate that feeling of wonder and imagination from the OT and thus purposefully had huge, non-realistic weapons for the audience to share with their kids for this generation.

 

[Jarmel]

Worst part of the movie (except terrible names) for sure. Where did they even get the schematics? Finn was going to give them an idea of the layout, and the come back with full technical blueprints.

They probably just assumed it was built like the other Death Stars.

 

[Squire]

But Luke flies planes and even brags about bullseyeing small creatures in a fast airspeeder. Biggs Darklighter even vouches for Luke's experience flying. So right there you have proof that he has flight experience and that he is an excellent pilot including bullseyeing targets.

And he wasn't a good fighter until he saw his old friend & new mentor die and that was his only time using a weapon not in a ship.

What you guys are missing is that there is equal context to things Rey does in this movie, they're just not necesarilly stated like your example.

We SEE she has flight sim controls.

We SEE her kick a scavengers ass with her staff.

We don't need some hokey exchange between characters to understand this character is capable of handling herself. The movie shows rather than tells.

 

[Glass Shark]

Worst part of the movie (except terrible names) for sure. Where did they even get the schematics? Finn was going to give them an idea of the layout, and the come back with full technical blueprints.

They sent someone on a recon mission. They literally talk about it in the movie.

 

[brandonh83]

Rey has clearly heard stories/legends of the Jedi. Maybe she heard about the whole mind trick thing, realized she had force abilities, and said "lets give this a shot"

Or perhaps it's fully instinctual? Amuses me how people seemingly straight up criticize things like this when it's a mysterious force in a fantasy. And they bitch about Midichlorians while apparently quantifying it more than that does.

 

[Gonzalez]

Is Jakku where all the English people come from in the Star Wars universe?

 

[KHarvey16]

They specifically mention recon in addition to info from Finn.

 

[shortsFortallPeople]

That was 3 years later and he struggled a lot more than Rey to get it right. Rey's first force pull overpowered an experienced dark side user's one.

That was waaaay too much.

like i said earlier, the only way this works is if Rey isn't aware that she was trained in the arts of the force by Luke before being dropped off in Jakku. Otherwise, yeah, it's hard to buy that we've seen two Skywalkers both have to put in the work to have those powers while Rey is like just concentrating hard one sunny afternoon and poof, jedi mind tricks

 

[CrazedProfessional]

Rey felt pretty overpowered at times. She just closed her eyes and is suddenly 85% Jedi. Adds to other parts of the movie in simply feeling rushed.

 

[Mariolee]

I know the whole Kenobi theory has been talked to death here, but this new interview by JJ Abrams seems to imply that Ewan McGregor really only did the voice over as a favor and makes it appear as if he doesn't really have that big of a role in the future films:

“You do hear a little bit of Yoda. You hear Luke yelling out, ‘Nooo!’ from that moment in Empire. And you hear Obi-Wan at the end say, ‘Rey … these are your first steps,’” Abrams says. “Here’s the cool part. We asked Ewan McGregor to come in and do the line. And he was awesome and we were very grateful. He was incredibly sweet and handsome, and all that stuff. Then he rode off on his motorcycle. Literally the coolest voice over actor ever.”

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20/jj-abrams-reveals-obi-wan-and-yoda-are-star-wars-force-awakens

 

[Sephzilla]

it's a shame that a lot of the development of Rey is done off-screen, which explains most of her on screen presence.



people can't be bothered to do homework. Then again, they probably shouldn't have to.

The movie itself does a good way of presenting Rey's skill sets though without much exposition.

> During the attack/escape on Jakku the first thing Rey does is try to get to a ship, something a pilot would do.
> She manages to drop Finn, a trained Stormtrooper, with her staff showing that she's a capable fighter.
> She scraps Star Destroyers, clearly she has some kind of knowledge about starships and how they work.

 

[injurai]

Is Jakku where all the English people come from in the Star Wars universe?

So we've come to this...

 

[aliengmr]

A person in the position of Phasma in the military would rather die than being the catalyst for the destruction of her entire army.

I don't know if her character will play a larger role in the trilogy, but speaking specifically about Ep. VII, her character was a complete waste and handled terribly and unconvincing.

She was only ever going to be barely established. They had to focus on the main cast.

Why would she choose death? I mean, by all accounts the First Order won. The Republic Fleet was destroyed. She knew that all the resistance had were a bunch of X-wings. So why would she toss her life away? She knew the odds were with the FO.

The First Order was fanatical but they also didn't seem cavalier with their forces. Either way she now has a pretty good motivation for revenge. And she is confirmed to be coming back. The only thing mishandled was the editing.

 

[Ophelion]

I think it will. I think her learning the truth will be hard for her also she might think she's hot shit after defeating Ren. That could play against her.

Especially since you know Kylo will be coming at her in the next movie with a powerful will. He's got something to prove now, not just in the childish inferiority complex way that got him in their first fight. He's got to tag her back. They are officially rivals at this point in my mind.

If she's forced to fight Kylo straight on, with him respecting her as an opponent and using every dirty trick available to him, the next fight probably won't go so well for Rey.

Plus, he kind of have to win the next bout or he's going to look like the galaxy's biggest chump.

 

[Glass Shark]

people can't be bothered to do homework. Then again, they probably shouldn't have to.

No one even has to do homework, there's this thing called "implying" that the movie is covered with. If you have even an ounce of imagination you can figure how how Rey knows how to do all the things she knows how to do.

 

[Messypandas]

Ewan McGregor has more dialogue in this than Mark Hamill.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Or perhaps it's fully instinctual? Amuses me how people seemingly straight up criticize things like this when it's a mysterious force in a fantasy. And they bitch about Midichlorians while apparently quantifying it more than that does.

Yeah... instinctual. She doesn't stumble across it or anything she just does it. Her stumbling across it would be far more better for the story.

 

[kingocfs]

They probably just assumed it was built like the other Death Stars.

Something something poetry

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Rey felt pretty overpowered at times. She just closed her eyes and is suddenly 85% Jedi. Adds to other parts of the movie in simply feeling rushed.

She isnt 85% Jedi.. I think she gains confidence through the Force. However Kylo was injured and tired. So she was able to gain the advantage. She is skilled with hand to hand weapons.

 

[Figboy79]

If that's the case then Poe surviving seems a bit too convenient too.


"oh man I jumped at the last second when no one was watching and like found a place to give me a ride and shit yall wouldn't want to know the details boring shit"

For a day in the life of Poe Dameron, badass pilot, it probably was just another Tuesday for him. Lol

I'm looking forward to more of him next movie. My wife loves him, and is therefore convinced he is going to die in the third one. Lol

 

[Kor of Memory]

Some of my friends really can't get over the mind trick scene. It makes no sense to them how she knows.

This is super easy to answer.

Ever had/been around a little kid pretend they could use the force? Chances are it didn't work, but they saw/heard all these fantastic stories about it.

If you told an adult today, that the force exists, and had proof. 1000 bucks says they'd start trying some of those things they heard about in stories.

 

[Armaros]

The movie itself does a good way of presenting Rey's skill sets though without much exposition.

> During the attack/escape on Jakku the first thing Rey does is try to get to a ship, something a pilot would do.
> She manages to drop Finn, a trained Stormtrooper, with her staff showing that she's a capable fighter.
> She scraps Star Destroyers, clearly she has some kind of knowledge about starships and how they work.

She gets complimented by Han

She knows what is wrong with the Falcon and disagrees with the junkyard bosses additions, but before Han was going to say it.

 

[injurai]

Ewan McGregor has more dialogue in this than Mark Hamill.

Same with Alec Guinness :O

I expect Hamill to be as prominent as Han was in this film, and will probably get top billing in VIII.

 

[Kyne]

The movie itself does a good way of presenting Rey's skill sets though without much exposition.

> During the attack/escape on Jakku the first thing Rey does is try to get to a ship, something a pilot would do.
> She manages to drop Finn, a trained Stormtrooper, with her staff showing that she's a capable fighter.
> She scraps Star Destroyers, clearly she has some kind of knowledge about starships and how they work.

No one even has to do homework, there's this thing called "implying" that the movie is covered with. If you have even an ounce of imagination you can figure how how Rey knows how to do all the things she knows how to do.

you two are giving wayyyyy too much credit to the audience.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

it's okay to be wrong



It's been discussed to death, there are plenty of reasonable explanations for everything she does in the film WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THIS UNIVERSE

There's nothing up for discussion. The filmmakers know better than you about what is and isn't possible in this fiction. Sorry it doesn't fit into your paradigm.

Ok. That's fine.
I rather be intelligent and critical of the films I watch.
Awaiting someone to bring up something I wasn't right about or I "hate" the film.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Something something poetry

It's not poetry when you copy a great amount from a movie of your own series...

 

[Pro]

Ewan McGregor has more dialogue in this than Mark Hamill.

James Bond has more dialogue in this than Mark Hamill

 

[-griffy-]

But Luke flies planes and even brags about bullseyeing small creatures in a fast airspeeder. Biggs Darklighter even vouches for Luke's experience flying. So right there you have proof that he has flight experience and that he is an excellent pilot including bullseyeing targets.

I can't do this anymore. All that is is blatant exposition to say Luke is a pilot. Which is exactly what Rey's "We've already got one" line is. And then she demonstrates, through action, that she clearly is a pilot, by piloting the ship, in her introductory action sequence in the film. The first action sequence the character is in, where we are still learning about her, teaches us that she is a pilot. This is further enforced when it's revealed she knows how the ship works, about the modifications made, when she repairs it, when she bypasses the modifications. Do we really need a separate character to come in and say "Hey, Rey, remember when you piloted that ship on Jakku 5 years ago?" in order to verbally state she has flown a ship before and justify that she is a pilot for some reason, when the movie already just blatantly shows us she is?

 

[Gonzalez]

So we've come to this...

Well I'm sorry, but I noticed that the only people that spoke English on Jakku were clearly British.