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[Arkeband]

If they redeem her ridiculous presence in Ep. VII, why not?

I'm happier with Phasma being a lesson to Star Wars nerds to not buy Star Wars merchandise for characters you nothing about.

For all we knew going into the movie, BB8 could have just rolled around screaming racial slurs, yet everyone HAD to have one.

(BB8 is too cute to pass up, but you get my point)

 

[brandonh83]

Yeah... instinctual. She doesn't stumble across it or anything she just does it. Her stumbling across it would be far more better for the story.

Again we're pretending like we know how this works and I don't subscribe to that.

 

[Glass Shark]

you two are giving wayyyyy too much credit to the audience.

Except it's not the casual audience members who are pointing out all these "flaws". It's the self-professed Star Wars nerds who supposedly know better than Lucas or Abrams about how elements of this universe work. It's laughable.

 

[El Topo]

Rey felt pretty overpowered at times. She just closed her eyes and is suddenly 85% Jedi. Adds to other parts of the movie in simply feeling rushed.

I just don't get that sentiment. She and Finn barely manage to beat two TIE fighters, they get caught almost immediately after leaving Jakku, she gets captured easily by Kylo Ren and for most of the time of her fight is on the defensive.

 

[KHarvey16]

you two are giving wayyyyy too much credit to the audience.

Huh? No one I've spoken to is confused about any of that. This is the only place I've seen people who are so bad at watching movies that this wasn't clear.

 

[ReAxion]

In this book, Rey says she studies ship schematics, runs flight sims, and practices alien languages and droidspeak.

 

[Jarmel]

Ewan McGregor has more dialogue in this than Mark Hamill.

Oh god, I never thought of it like that but it's totally true.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

The movie itself does a good way of presenting Rey's skill sets though without much exposition.

> During the attack/escape on Jakku the first thing Rey does is try to get to a ship, something a pilot would do.
> She manages to drop Finn, a trained Stormtrooper, with her staff showing that she's a capable fighter.
> She scraps Star Destroyers, clearly she has some kind of knowledge about starships and how they work.

Or... she has a hover craft and things are blowing up so let's escape? That's not a pilot thing, that's just something you do when people are shooting at you. History has shown us this.

Finn is sanitation.

She needs a working Star Destroyer to really understand. Unless she was doing her own tests which was never shown.

IMPLYING

Again we're pretending like we know how this works and I don't subscribe to that.

It's the Force. It's a mystical / midochlorian thing that improves over time with training. Stumbling upon an ability is cliché as hell but it works almost every time.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Ewan McGregor has more dialogue in this than Mark Hamill.

Mark Hamill has more movement in this than Kenny Baker.

 

[Armaros]

Or... she has a hover craft and things are blowing up so let's escape? That's not a pilot thing, that's just something you do when people are shooting at you. History has shown us this.

Finn is sanitation.

She needs a working Star Destroyer to really understand. Unless she was doing her own tests which was never shown.

IMPLYING

She talks with Han about the modifcations to the Falcon.

And she was running to a specific ship before it gets blown up right as she was telling Finn she is a pilot.

 

[Boke1879]

Especially since you know Kylo will be coming at her in the next movie with a powerful will. He's got something to prove now, not just in the childish inferiority complex way that got him in their first fight. He's got to tag her back. They are officially rivals at this point in my mind.

If she's forced to fight Kylo straight on, with him respecting her as an opponent and using every dirty trick available to him, the next fight probably won't go so well for Rey.

Plus, he kind of have to win the next bout or he's going to look like the galaxy's biggest chump.

He'll most likely win. I think Snoke won't take her as a light opponent and will really complete Ren's training. He'll be stronger and he's already done what Vader couldn't do. He's severed that pain by killing Han.

I'd also have to believe Snoke at least has an idea that Luke may have been found.

 

[Fj0823]

like i said earlier, the only way this works is if Rey isn't aware that she was trained in the arts of the force by Luke before being dropped off in Jakku.Otherwise, yeah, it's hard to buy that we've seen two Skywalkers both have to put in the work to have those powers while Rey is like just concentrating hard one sunny afternoon and poof, jedi mind tricks

This would fix every single one of my complaints

 

[Sephzilla]

Or... she has a hover craft and things are blowing up so let's escape? That's not a pilot thing, that's just something you do when people are shooting at you. History has shown us this.

Finn is sanitation.

She needs a working Star Destroyer to really understand. Unless she was doing her own tests which was never shown.

IMPLYING

I'm pretty sure if you're trying to escape danger by a vehicle you're going to run towards a vehicle you know how to operate though.

 

[Kor of Memory]

Oh god, I never thought of it like that but it's totally true.

Yeah, but Hamill has like ∞ more screen time.

 

[Azerare]

Ewan McGregor has more dialogue in this than Mark Hamill.

I now want force ghost Ewan McGregor in this trilogy at some point

 

[Brakke]

Well obviously it's a question for the next one where she'll explore her own command of the force during her training with Luke, and as we observe more actions. The claim that was made is the question of her struggling with the dark side wasn't even opened. When you recognise she's fighting aggressively, swinging savagely, and feeding off her emotion, traits which have all been portrayed as traits of one whose fighting is empowered by the Dark Side, how isn't that opening up the question of her having a struggle with the Dark Side? The more contrived thing to happen in that fight is for her, while fighting aggressively and feeing off her emotion, walking to Ren with a clear motive of killing him, is to suddenly stop and consider "Wait, I'm considering killing him, I may fall to the dark side" when she has no memory of guidance on the force and how one falls down that path. The fight and her style of fighting is reminiscent of Luke and Vader in Return of the Jedi, and the only reason Luke ended up sparing him, and had a moment of introspection, was due to the goading of the Emperor. Even as a user above mentioned, the cliffs separating was contrived because if it didn't we wouldn't have two more movies, because Rey would have killed Ren then and there. It opens the idea of her struggling with a dark side, which is fine, it's the first movie of a trilogy, she's not going to work through it all while her friend is lying there dying, the planet is collapsing, and Ren is lying there wondering what on earth she's doing standing there talking to herself deciding what to do with him.

I'm saying she clearly felt the Dark Side for a moment in that fight. I just wish we had some insight into how she feels about having felt the Dark Side.

There's lots of ways to communicate that her feelings are complicated there. She doesn't have to stop and ask herself anything. Kylo himself could taunt her "how are you able to tap into the Dark Side so naturally"? That kind of nice because Kylo jealous of Rey and disappointed in himself is a big Kylo theme. Then she's taken aback, she looks down in horror at blood on her hands. Or she brushes him off and yells about how could he kill Han. Either way she sort of indicates an affinity with either side. As it is she doesn't really make a choice or even any introspection. She taps into something she doesn't understand in order to survive. I care about how she feels about having done that.

Ultimately my disappointment in the fight rewinds way farther back than the fight itself. The earthquake happens because it's the only way out once we get there. The earthquake cuts a Gordon knot a more considered film wouldn't have tied.

 

[ElFly]

Lucas didn't?

Lucas probably didn't; in the scripts and notes, Darth Vader's title was "Dark Lord of the Sith", so Darth was his name and not a title; Sith is never mentioned in the movies until the prequels tho. No other Darth will be mentioned in scripts until the prequels I think.

It could also be seen as if Kenobi is taunting Vader by using his title, but that is weirder.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

So we have Rey who needs to make a lightsaber. Folks say she was doing a lot of stabbing motions with the lightsaber, but she was also using her staff as a double sided lightsaber against the sand people.

So I vote for double bladed lightsaber. A lighspear has the issue that unlike blade vs blade, the other lightsaber could cut through the hilt easily.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Again we're pretending like we know how this works and I don't subscribe to that.

It's the Force. Stumbling upon an ability is more believable than knowing how without training.

She talks with Han about the modifcations to the Falcon.

And she was running to a specific ship before it gets blown up.

So with this flimsy piece of logic she's a capable pilot, engineer, and mechanic?

 

[Sephzilla]

I now want force ghost Ewan McGregor in this trilogy at some point

Luke: "You like different, Obi-Wan"

Obi-Wan: "Well since you're starting to look like old me, I thought I'd look like young me"

*Luke nods*

 

[Fliesen]

In this book, Rey says she studies ship schematics, runs flight sims, and practices alien languages and droidspeak.

Also, Rey has a little doll of a rebel pilot in her ATAT wreck. She's clearly fascinated by starships.

 

[Kyne]

Except it's not the casual audience members who are pointing out all these "flaws". It's the self-professed Star Wars nerds who supposedly know better than Lucas or Abrams about how elements of this universe work. It's laughable.

Huh? No one I've spoken to is confused about any of that. This is the only place I've seen people who are so bad at watching movies that this wasn't clear.

maybe when I said audience I actually meant GAFers and star wars-pros.

I'm trying to avoid an attack here.

movie ploys aside, was it ever mentioned why they had John Boyega do an English accent when Daisy Ridley got to keep her British one?

 

[DiipuSurotu]

So we have Rey who needs to make a lightsaber. Folks say she was doing a lot of stabbing motions with the lightsaber, but she was also using her staff as a double sided lightsaber against the sand people.

So I vote for double bladed lightsaber. A lighspear has the issue that unlike blade vs blade, the other lightsaber could cut through the hilt easily.

Why? She already has one.

 

[Messypandas]

I now want force ghost Ewan McGregor in this trilogy at some point

Yeah Ewan is such a talent. Would love that idea of him turning old and young intermittently, as if the Force is in flux, or even under threat.

 

[Fj0823]

Luke: "You like different, Obi-Wan"

Obi-Wan: "Well since you're starting to look like old me, I thought I'd look like young me"

*Luke nods*

im perfectly ok with this.

 

[FloatOn]

Also, Rey has a little doll of a rebel pilot in her ATAT wreck. She's clearly fascinated by starships.

and she was wearing a rebel pilot helmet in one scene.

she clearly admires pilots

 

[Boke1879]

Rey also says the ship is garbage hasn't flown in years. She has familiarity with the Falcon. she could have easily wandered on it one day and just looked around.

 

[Azerare]

Luke: "You like different, Obi-Wan"

Obi-Wan: "Well since you're starting to look like old me, I thought I'd look like young me"

*Luke nods*

I'd imagine the fans would accept this. I know I would.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

IIRC they said they got them earlier.



this^ she seems to have a lot of knowledge about the myths about the jedi.

They sent someone on a recon mission. They literally talk about it in the movie.

Completely missed that. I guess I'll have to watch it again. I still think they got the full plans way to quickly/easily. Alderan was blown up because of the plans in ANH, and the Emperor gave them the plans in RoTJ to secure an ambush. In this it was like "oh hey, a new Death Star, let me pull out the blueprints."

 

[Kor of Memory]

So we have Rey who needs to make a lightsaber. Folks say she was doing a lot of stabbing motions with the lightsaber, but she was also using her staff as a double sided lightsaber against the sand people.

So I vote for double bladed lightsaber. A lighspear has the issue that unlike blade vs blade, the other lightsaber could cut through the hilt easily.

Unless she puts that stuff on her spear that deflects light sabers. Shown in Episode III and VII.

 

[Jarmel]

Luke: "You like different, Obi-Wan"

Obi-Wan: "Well since you're starting to look like old me, I thought I'd look like young me"

*Luke nods*

"If Anakin can decide how the hell he wants to look, then goddamn it so should I."

 

[MMarston]

Yeah Ewan is such a talent. Would love that idea of him turning old and young intermittently, as if the Force is in flux, or even under threat.

They could do some CGI stuff and make him look like a hybrid of himself and Guiness.




Also, next thread title to OT3: Rey Wins lol

 

[Fliesen]

and she was wearing a rebel pilot helmet in one scene.

she clearly admires pilots

I wonder if she can pilot an ATAT.

To be fair, it can't be that hard - even Ewoks seem to be able to control an AT-ST

 

[Sephzilla]

"If Anakin can decide how the hell he wants to look, then goddamn it so should I."

*Yoda comes back as a Rancor*

 

[KHarvey16]

It's the Force. Stumbling upon an ability is more believable than knowing how without training.



So with this flimsy piece of logic she's a capable pilot, engineer, and mechanic?

Flimsy piece of logic = understanding the movie?

 

[Squire]

In this book, Rey says she studies ship schematics, runs flight sims, and practices alien languages and droidspeak.

So all the things we literally see her do inside five minutes of meeting her? GEE WHIZ

 

[Arkos]

Dude but on the srs I had no idea about Hammil's role in this other than that it was small, didn't even know about the beard. That final scene was epic as shit lol

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Also, Rey has a little doll of a rebel pilot in her ATAT wreck. She's clearly fascinated by starships.

It's funny how she's fascinated by starships and knew about Han Solo yet didn't know what the Falcon looked like.

and she was wearing a rebel pilot helmet in one scene.

she clearly admires pilots

I loved that scene. She looked totally adorbs.

 

[injurai]

Wait, Luke's saber was lost on Bespin... how did it come back for this film?

 

[Fj0823]

Also, next thread title to OT3: Rey Wins lol

Perfect.

 

[Kor of Memory]

I wonder if she can pilot an ATAT.

To be fair, it can't be that hard - even Ewoks seem to be able to control an AT-ST

You mean wookies?

 

[FloatOn]

I wonder if she can pilot an ATAT.

To be fair, it can't be that hard - even Ewoks seem to be able to control an AT-ST

man fuck ewoks

I'm still salty that they were not wookies

 

[Jack Scofield]

How are you supposed to pronounce "Jakku"? It feels as if it's pronounced different ways by different characters. Is the emphasis on the first or second syllable?

 

[Ophelion]

Why? She already has one.

Making your own lightsaber has in the past at least been implied to be one of the final steps in becoming a fully fledged Jedi.

I think Palpatine might have even had a line in Return of the Jedi about how Luke having made his own lightsaber meant his training was complete. Palpatine really likes the word "complete".

 

[LSauchelli]

So we have Rey who needs to make a lightsaber. Folks say she was doing a lot of stabbing motions with the lightsaber, but she was also using her staff as a double sided lightsaber against the sand people.

So I vote for double bladed lightsaber. A lighspear has the issue that unlike blade vs blade, the other lightsaber could cut through the hilt easily.

Maybe? I think a proficient lightspear user could probably beat a lightsaber user simply because a spear allows you to keep your opponent away.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but don't spears always beat swords IRL?

 

[Sephzilla]

Wookies would have been even stupider than Ewoks in terms of storyline logic!

#ROTJDefenseForce

 

[Brakke]

Why? She already has one.

Constructing a saber is a major part of Jedi training. It's kind of a graduation test in KOTOR. When Luke uses his new one against Vader in Return of the Jedi, Vader comments on it.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Wait, Luke's saber was lost on Bespin... how did it come back for this film?

it doesn't matter.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Flimsy piece of logic = understanding the movie?

This is the evidence of her engineering, mechanical, and piloting abilities:

She knows of those 2 space ships, she ran towards one then the other that hasn't flown in years (as they were being shot at), and she is a fan of pilots.

You need more than that to make me believe she's capable of all that. Being a scavenger doesn't make you good at these things. Peppering in a line that says she did maintenance on that piece of garbage for food would have been adequate. People want this movie to be deeper than it really is.

 

[Glass Shark]

Wait, Luke's saber was lost on Bespin... how did it come back for this film?

Does it matter?