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I never said he was a Jedi of Force sensitive. Just that him being involved in stealing the plans makes a lot of sense.
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I never said he was a Jedi of Force sensitive. Just that him being involved in stealing the plans makes a lot of sense.
I liked it, but it felt like they were trying to do too many things at once and didn't have enough time to do it which caused some weird moments. Fin instantly being competent with the lightsaber, Rei being great at using force powers with almost no effort, Han's awkward and telegraphed as hell death scene.... Stuff like that.
And the whole "we got a bigger deadlier death star" deal felt like they were trying too hard. Especially when said super death star instantly wipes out The New Republic before the viewers even know it exists beyond a couple sentences.
Not to mention Kylo Ren's motivations made no sense and he seemed completely out of place the moment he took the helmet off.
That being said, I enjoyed watching it... It just hurts that this wipes the Jedi Knight series, KOTOR, Republic Commando, and all the good(some were bad) EU novels off the map. Especially when KOTOR was definitely a better story.
And the whole "we got a bigger deadlier death star" deal felt like they were trying too hard. Especially when said super death star instantly wipes out The New Republic before the viewers even know it exists beyond a couple sentences.
Not to mention Kylo Ren's motivations made no sense and he seemed completely out of place the moment he took the helmet off.
That being said, I enjoyed watching it... It just hurts that this wipes the Jedi Knight series, KOTOR, Republic Commando, and all the good(some were bad) EU novels off the map. Especially when KOTOR was definitely a better story.
lol, changed it to child. I'm having like 3 different discussions on 3 different boards and messaging a friend about the film at the same time.
Either she's already been trained by Luke and had her mind wiped, or she dug it out of Kylo's mind when he dug into hers.
Most people with no force sensitivity and no training dismember themselves pretty easily. He did fine considering who he was fighting.
Maybe. I wouldn't put it past him to not remember the little sister that he hasn't seen in years and was a little kid the last time he could have possibly seen her. Maybe they lied and faked her death. It fooled Vader.
I do think the whole Rey "winning" back to back against kylo makes things a little interesting in terms of how they will handle the next match up. Beating him in both mental and physical (obviously he was injured but it's an L regardless)
Im expecting him to be shitting on everyone next movie to "balance" it out.
Im expecting him to be shitting on everyone next movie to "balance" it out.
He was good enough not to get his head shot off in a gun fight and then good enough to go head to head with someone trained to use a lightsaber for a decent while.
He actually lasted longer against Kylo than he did against...a Stormtrooper.
Didn't make much sense.
Randolph Freelander
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Well, that's the part before the part that also had me like "what?" Being able to resist and fight back against Ren's mental probing without training.
Basically, Kylo Ren wants desperately to be Anakin. Rey might actually be him.
Pai Pai Master
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Guys wut if max von sydow is snoke
He just wanted the completed map
He isn't Sith but knows about the force well enough to manipulate Ben into turning.
Omg I figured it out
He just wanted the completed map
He isn't Sith but knows about the force well enough to manipulate Ben into turning.
Omg I figured it out
Technically Kylo was his second time
His first was against some storm troopers which a good breeze could probably take down by itself.
Technically Kylo was his second time
His first was against some storm troopers which a good breeze could probably take down by itself.
Considering he was one of those stormtroopers...
He's a beloved EU and videogame character. I don't give a shit if he isn't canon. No one gave a shit about how quickly he started using the Force is my point. To hold Rey under greater scrutiny with Arbitrary Joseph Campbell Wizardry is questionable.
I don't think she's thinly conceived, but I do think you're a dismissive shit.
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Not only did he have practice against the Stormtrooper but Kylo was already shot before that.
Red Blaster
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rey is probably ig88's daughter
Hey, he gets +10 accuracy for not having to wear the helmet
The whole Balance in the Force thing, I don't get. From the movies perspective.
In TPM, there are like thousands of Light Jedi's for many years. Where are all the Dark Jedi's to balance things out? All we get is one old fart who somehow manages to sway the whole galaxy to allow him to build clones and on the other side of things robots, and in the end, somehow use everything to murder all the Light Jedi.
So the Force, to balance everything, allowed one old man to murder all the goody good Jedi's?
Also, is having a handful of young jedi's so bad that it forces Ren to murder them? Weird Balance of the Force. Go murder some kids.
In TPM, there are like thousands of Light Jedi's for many years. Where are all the Dark Jedi's to balance things out? All we get is one old fart who somehow manages to sway the whole galaxy to allow him to build clones and on the other side of things robots, and in the end, somehow use everything to murder all the Light Jedi.
So the Force, to balance everything, allowed one old man to murder all the goody good Jedi's?
Also, is having a handful of young jedi's so bad that it forces Ren to murder them? Weird Balance of the Force. Go murder some kids.
Balance to the force was a prequel reference.
Clone Army was a prequel reference.
Directly referring to the Sith was a prequel reference.
Ewan McGreggor playing ghost Obi-Wan was bringing back a prequel actor in his original role.
Jedi Temples was a prequel reference.
Sorry kiddo, but this movie has references to all 6 past saga films in it.
Jacksinthe
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That lightsaber has been wielded by both a Sith and a Jedi. That saber saw some serious shit back in the day. It was used to kill a bunch of Jedi then turn to face the very being that did just that by a different user of the same bloodline.
Look at ESB. Remember when Luke asks Yoda what's in that forest and Yoda says - "Only what you bring with you"? Luke brought that saber with him. That saber has a history of bloodshed and who pops up? Vader. Who does Luke see when he kills the phantom? Himself.
I think a lot of that has to do with the lightsaber itself, but was never explored. Now we see it "calling" to Rey - another force user - more than likely another Skywalker.
Everyone is questioning her bloodline.
Ep1-3 were about Anakin SKYWALKER
Ep4-6 were about Luke SKYWALKER
Ep7-9 are about Rey ...
Obi-Wan saved that lightsaber and gave it to Luke - only Luke. Maz saved it and wanted Rey to have it.
I still think Finn is a non-force user. He would have felt SOMETHING in that saber like its previous wielders but he felt no gravity towards it or even any kind of gravity surrounding its origin or that it had been used for great carnage. Kylo would have sensed something about Finn - but he didn't. Rey would be able to sense somehting, Leia, Snoke, etc.
minimumhippo
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I can accept this if Dengar can be the godfather.
I think this movie got Kylo Ren being very rusty with the force/his lightsaber across well with the Rey fight. I mean it makes sense, he's young, has no other competition to practice on and as a result has spent most of his years hyping himself up to be better than he actually is. He's just a slightly above average dude
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Edit: Meh, he got banned. No point.
As a point of reference, look at what Luke does in ANH with no training. Obi-wan parks a helmet that blinds him over Luke's head, and he's blocking laser blasts with a lightsaber within ~2 minutes (three times in a row). At the end of the film Obi-wan tells him to "use the force" to make a nigh impossible shot by eye. He has no context for what that means or how to do it, but does it anyways. Very similar to Rey, who was largely just seeing what Kylo Ren was doing, trying it herself, and finding to her surprise she could do it. It's a bit compressed but I think in both cases a natural with the force was doing amazing things very quickly. (And she still got her tail kicked by Kylo, until the very end.)
I definitely expect him to be much more refined in the next movie. He did what Vader couldn't. He killed his father and now that struggle is severed. I expect his training to be very beneficial to him.
Well, if Luke adhered to Yoda's training then he shouldn't have a daughter, and if Rey has a family connection to the saber then the only person left would be Han and Leia, who did have a force sensitive son and daughter in the EU, and the son turned to the dark side. So the line about the force running in the family could be referring to her being Luke's niece, whose death they probably faked to hide her from Kylo, or they just plain hid her and since he hasn't seen her since she was a little kid he didn't recognize her.
*shrug*
*shrug*
Darth Karja
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It takes time to have a kid.
He is 30, Return of the Jedi was 30 years before.
Han and Leia had sex on the way to Cloud City, and Han doesn't keep condoms on the Falcon.
Leia gave birth while Han was frozen, and left Ben in the Falcon while she was at Jabba's. Which means Leia is a horrible mother. And that is why she sent Han to talk to Kylo, because he hates her.
MisterHero
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I wanted Luke's mummified hand in the box, still wrapped around the lightsaber
that would've been cool
that would've been cool
And Rei was slammed into a tree and then fell the equivalent of 1 story to the ground, but she was just fine for fighting Kylo after that.
Maybe that storm trooper is more force sensitive and he can be recruited as Kylo Ren's apprentice.
Using force powers isn't based on some structured course. Luke was blocking shots from a remote while blind folded have handled a lightsaber for a few minutes. Rey had more insight in to the Jedi and the force than he ever did even with Kenobi there.
Rey is clearly shown as someone who quickly understands things around her. Shes also VERY determined in everything she does. If she wants to use the force she will.
She didn't do anything more fantastic than Luke did.
I can understand why people might think "mind trick" was Jedi master level stuff (seeing as Masters have tended to use it) but just minutes before she did it to Kylo.
Umm...that's what the mainline series is specifically about.
Does "I have a bad feeling about this" sound familiar to you?
Says who?
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No link. Just something I think may happen.
Plot for Rogue One:
It is also interesting that the most prominent character here is a female (also played by a brit), who kind of would pass for Rey's mother. She may be a great pilot, good with languages and other things, explaining a lot of Rey's skills away. We may meet Rey's father too, if he is not to be Luke whom she may be destined to meet somewhere between Return of Jedi and The Force Awakens.
It's being released exactly a year from now. It would make sense to have a film that sheds some extra light on Rey's origin, not everything, but just enough to make it so that episode 8 doesn't have to have lots of exposition. Episode 8 is being released 6 months after Rogue One. I am certain it will end with some sort of tie-in to Force Awakens. And what better tie-in than revealing who her mother is?
Says George Lucas and JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy.
Kylo meets that criteria, and so does Luke's presence.
minimumhippo
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Says people who have no idea how to be more creative with the franchise. So, the film makers.
MisterHero
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Special Edition Trilogy is canon and The Outrider is in A New Hope
Dash Rendar was always real
So whats up with the lack of pretty much any other type of ship in the film? I only recall seeing TIE fighters and X-Wing's, but i've only watched it one time so maybe I missed some other types that were in the shot?
(Talking like A-Wings, Y-Wings, B-Wings, TIE Interceptors, Imperial Landers, etc.)
I do recall seeing some AT-AT-type things walking in the distance on the death planet, but beyond that not much.
(Talking like A-Wings, Y-Wings, B-Wings, TIE Interceptors, Imperial Landers, etc.)
I do recall seeing some AT-AT-type things walking in the distance on the death planet, but beyond that not much.
Red Blaster
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jj abrams being a dumbface and thinking the audience would get confused beyond x-wings vs tie fighters.
hopefully rian johnson tells that idea to fuck off into space and adds b-wings, t-wings, c-wings et. al.
Randolph Freelander
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8 is coming that quickly? That's a nice surprise.
Yeah, that bothered me too. And the fact that they still haven't shown a tie bomber of any sort.
Yes, I know that Tie bombers were only a thing in EU and Video games, but they were a great concept.
Edit: Got it, got it it's in empire. Damn my memory's faulty.
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