Don't you have to be force sensitive to even use a lightsaber? I thought him being able to actually use it was meant to show that Finn had the potential to be a Jedi. I don't recall 'normal' people being able to activate light sabers in the series.
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Don't you have to be force sensitive to even use a lightsaber? I thought him being able to actually use it was meant to show that Finn had the potential to be a Jedi. I don't recall 'normal' people being able to activate light sabers in the series.
TheOctodad
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Ehhhh. I didn't take that comment about greenery literally. She meant that in a way to express wonder. Like, you've heard the stories, but to see it is a different thing. Like when I moved to the North and said, "I never knew there was this much snow!" I did, but now I have experienced it.
She has a little rebel doll and helmet, so she clearly is aware of some of rebellion exploits. I don't think it's really a stretch.
No. Han Solo activates it to cut open the TaunTaun.
The Real Abed
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Just got back from seeing it. I am so satisfied. I might need to read this thread in total. Cant believe it's the second thread too. Do I need to read that one too??? Wow.
chicko1983
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She didn't know about ragnart, or whatever they are called, that's not a huge problem with me.
And her line was something like "Ive never seen so much green with my own eyes" IIRC, not that she didn't believe there were planets with a lot of greenery.
OricWindstar
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A female stormtrooper talks to Kylo after Rey escapes.
Watto straight up said that Jedi mind tricks won't work on him, it wasn't some arcane secret.
Plasticine
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Well, the new Snowtroopers went full Nazi. I guess that should count for something on the looks like a scary racist scale.
Jabba said the same thing.
It's part of Jedi mythology within the SW universe -- That they can do mind tricks. Rey seems to know something about it beforehand.
Soapbox Killer
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Guy's I have a question?
Isn't the Lightsaber that is Rey get's from Maz the same one Luke lost in Cloud City when he fought Vader the first time? How the hell is that possible?
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Isn't the Lightsaber that is Rey get's from Maz the same one Luke lost in Cloud City when he fought Vader the first time? How the hell is that possible?
Sorry id this was asked already but this thread moves quick.
BudokaiMR2
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So regarding the Jedi Mind Trick thing that most people seem to have a problem with...
I will give you that the speed with which she pulled it off may be unprecedented but how do we explain Luke learning it in the OT?
At that point he has no master and has only seen Obi-wan do it once or twice. I think there is literally 0 chance that Yoda taught him that skill in his time with him and he has never even had anyone use a similar power on him like Rey had.
So she has first hand experience with that sort of power while Luke has only ever seen it in action. Doesn't seem as far-fetched in my opinion when you think of it like that.
I will give you that the speed with which she pulled it off may be unprecedented but how do we explain Luke learning it in the OT?
At that point he has no master and has only seen Obi-wan do it once or twice. I think there is literally 0 chance that Yoda taught him that skill in his time with him and he has never even had anyone use a similar power on him like Rey had.
So she has first hand experience with that sort of power while Luke has only ever seen it in action. Doesn't seem as far-fetched in my opinion when you think of it like that.
Ragnorok64
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Am I imagining things, or were there some troopers who's helmets didn't even have visible eyes/visors?
TheOctodad
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How is it not possible? He got his hand cut off and then someone found it.
This was my first thought. That's silly, though. They gotta have female cannon-fodder, too.
Yeah, I mean, it's not like they were hiding it in the OT, but they went full steam ahead with the salute and everything.
It was closer to "I didn't know that there was this much greenery in all the galaxy".
I didn't actually notice the rebel doll and helmet. I can see this explanation.
You have to be force sensitive to not lop your own arm off is the general explanation. Not to turn it on.
Lifejumper
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Nah. Exact same discussions as the first page of the last thread.
Just saw it today. I really enjoyed the beginning where it was all about the brand new characters. It had some similarities to episode 4, but did enough to feel like a brand new story. However, the movie became more and more similar to episode 4 as it went on, and I kept enjoying it less and less. I'm sure many fans love this about the movie, but I wanted something new.
I believe she was saying she had never known that there were planets that were truly that green. Just as she didn't know for sure if the stories were true. But she started seeing that rumors and legends about the world beyond Jakku were turning you to be real. The force started forcing itself onto her. Why is it hard to believe she wouldn't start believing in things as she started seeing with her own eyes.
For people that compare her progress that that of Luke's too, saying he didn't even accel as fast. Luke was always unsure of himself. He was a skeptic on having any connection with the force, even as he saw Ben demonstrate it. He was in the presence of a wise master, and felt inadequate. But Rey never had that. She only grew in her belief, and she had to explore force for the first time by herself. She didn't have to overcome her own stubbornness like Luke did. Luke had to be ran through the gamut by Yoda, not even Ben could get through to him. Plus Han had already instilled confidence in her, as did Maz.
It wasn't even Rey that opened up that mind probe, it was Ren that forced it on her. When he established that connection she was able to feel some strength against him because Ren left himself open. He was distraught. That was the moment when her confidence bloomed. She was already resisting him out of desperation to deny him access of her memories, which was the impetus to turn that probe back on him.
After that she started experimenting with mind tricks, just has she had heard about in legends about Skywalker.
She says it's a good question for another day. But I read somewhere that the saber fell into the industrial part of the planet.
So it's up to us to assume someone found it and it's just been passing through hands all this time. Hell who knows. Once Luke touches it he might see visions of all the places it's been to.
LegalEagleMike
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Maz isnt telling. Story for another time.
Han says no.
It decreases your chance of dismembering yourself if you're force sensitive because the prequels made lightsaber-handling really complicated due to being weightless aside from the hilt. Something about gyroscopic forces. Pretty sure that's the justification for
Nostremitus
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Han was Force sensitive, though, right? How else do you explain his uncommon "luck."
Han says no.
The Shadow
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Funny enough, I was thinking the same thing when they kept referring to Poe as the best pilot in the resistance. It seemed analogous to Anakin and Luke in ANH and baby Anakin in TPM.
I kind of hope not though. If they can muster up a good story involving 3 developing force sensitives, I'd be OK with it, but it seems like that'd be more convoluted and unnecessary. Like you said, it'd kind of cheapen it a little, like it's not that special.
True, except the conditioning did absolutely nothing to him, since the next time we see Finn, he's busting Poe out.
It could go either way really. He had great dialog with Han and they even set up a similar face change as Han at the end of ANH. He was even loading crates into a ship, just like Han. I could see him being a Han v.2, a prominent hero without force powers.
OricWindstar
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He was lucky.
BudokaiMR2
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It decreases your chance of dismembering yourself if you're force sensitive because the prequels made lightsaber-handling really complicated due to being weightless aside from the hilt. Something about gyroscopic forces. Pretty sure that's the justification for
God I HATE that part. All it would have taken is one of them to be like "Wait why am I spinning it around like an idiot again?" <STAB> and movie over.
Like Master Chief?
In the EU he was. That being said, being force sensitive has nothing to do with turning on a lightsaber.
Only watched it once so maybe I'll change my mind, but this is my sentiment. Favourite part was the first half where it was primarily just the new characters. Which is a great sign. But the back end was definitely the weakest.
Hamster Plugin
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That's something I completely missed. Every single other time a stormtrooper talked there was a male voice though. Nothing like Battlefront.
...It's a button. Han Solo uses it to save Luke's life in Empire.
Anyone can use a lightsaber, it's just that Jedi can use it well without killing themselves. Finn atleast has some combat training that helped him not die after just two swings.
The Last Wizard
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So why did mark hamil get into shape if he only has 5-10 seconds of screen time
Ragnorok64
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It's a device like any other, the 'on' button is going to work either way. But being force sensitive allows you to be better at it.
Neat!
Nostremitus
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No such thing in Star Wars.
I know, was just piping in on the Han=Force sensitive aspect.
OricWindstar
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I mean, it's possible I'm wrong as I didn't hear it until I saw it again today, but I'm pretty sure the Stormtrooper saying they couldn't find Rey is female.
Well, maybe in your experience.
Because right after that Rian Johnson took the cast and crew right back to the same island to shoot early scenes of VIII.
Because he still has to not look out of shape for those 10 seconds? And because he's going to need to be in shape for future movies?
TheOctodad
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There's these other movies coming out...
There is a team working on these films far beyond Rian. He may introduce some details on how to convey theme and character. But I don't think he would be left to make this call.
chicko1983
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yeah it was something more like that.
But even still, I didn't take that as her literal understanding of the galaxy, more of her using a figurative phrase. Like how someone might say something like "Ive never seen a blue-er ocean in the whole wide world".
Ragnorok64
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He's going to be in more than this movie.
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I read that the planet where Luke is located is actually Rakata Prime/Lehon? Is there any confirmation on that?
Filming for Episode VIII starts very soon.
THAT'S NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS
Obliterator
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A lot of the "Rey is OP!" talk will be answered in the next episode when its revealed Luke was training her as a child
Doubt it. They'd have to get into Infinite Empire EU stuff that they made noncanon. Then again, Rakata Prime was an archipelago world, wasn't it?
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