[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up

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The Kenobi being Rey's grandfather thing makes no sense, and the main justification for it(her accent) is especially flawed.

It's not like accents are genetically transferred, and she was raised by strangers from a very young age. More importantly, accents in the Star Wars movie have historically been all over the place without any consistency or logic, due to it's nature as a heavily anglo-american production.

I think if she is related to any pre-existing major character, it's Luke, as that's where all the signs are pointing, it's almost to the point where it'd be some devious misdirection if it weren't the case. There is still room to say she was being trained by Luke and that's where the connection comes from and her parents are some random people, but I don't see how or why she would be related to Kenobi, and she is clearly not Kylo's twin sister, there is no way future movies can retcon and try to explain away her interactions with Han and Leia in this movie if she were their long lost daughter. That and she is seems much younger than Kylo. Wookiepedia says she is 10 years younger, which I don't know if that is official or where it comes from, but just from the casting, it would seem super odd if those two were twins.

The one thing that makes me think her parents aren't randoms or minor side characters is that they cast someone who fits the look of all the Skywalker women so exactly. It's entirely possible that she was just so great in auditions that her looks were coincidental(and she was great in the role, looks aside), but really the resemblance plus all the hints that are dropped would add up to a bit of a large red herring if she were some random person.

Plus I don't think they are going to have that dickbag kylo be the last of the skywalker line, surely?
 
Not sure why people are still trying to argue that Rey isn't Luke's daughter. Disney confirmed that the mainline movies are about the generations of the Skywalker line. It would be odd for them to say that, and after the prequels and originals followed a Skywalker for the main character of the sequel trilogy to be unrelated.

Well Kylo is certainly a Skywalker. Did they specify this character had to be the hero. Anakin Skywalker fell from grace.

Do you have a source on this btw?
 
If Rey is Luke's daughter then Luke must be killed in Episode VIII to balance the Skywalker overdose.

Not sure why people are still trying to argue that Rey isn't Luke's daughter. Disney confirmed that the mainline movies are about the generations of the Skywalker line. It would be odd for them to say that, and after the prequels and originals followed a Skywalker for the main character of the sequel trilogy to be unrelated.

Source?
 
Coruscant does not appear in this movie.

"Looks like Natalie Portman" is a real stretch especially given how little Adam Driver looks like Han or Leia.
It's possible the senate was moved or re-established elsewhere, but I assumed it was still the same senate on Coruscant. It certainly looked like the same hyper busy city-planet, anyway.

The Natalie Portman resemblance is overwhelming:
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If they weren't considering this when casting, then it's certainly a coincidence that they chose someone who could have practically been Padme's stunt double. Adam Driver may not directly resemble Carrie Fisher, but I did think he looked close enough to a young Han Solo to pass as his kid.
 
Kylo while technically a Skywalker, his name would actually be either Ben Solo or Ben Organa.

Also:
http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2015/...the-generational-story-of-the-skywalkers.html

Luke is around. Leia is around. We now have Kylo Ren. We have this extended family to the Skywalkers. It centers around them. You could be right in that Rey is a skywalker, but I don't find this conclusive enough. Kennedy may have just been pointing out that this story picks up centering around this same group of people, versus finding another story in the universe taking place after the life of Luke and others.
 
Your making no sense. That's not how the force works. Skywalker isn't the last name of anyone that uses the force.

If this is what you understood, I apologize for not being able to explain it better to you. You started the discussion talking about Skywalker "line", now you are fixed on the Skywalker "last name".
 
It's possible the senate was moved or re-established elsewhere, but I assumed it was still the same senate on Coruscant. It certainly looked like the same hyper busy city-planet, anyway.

The Natalie Portman resemblance is overwhelming:
v-vbc.jpg

If they weren't considering this when casting, then it's certainly a coincidence that they chose someone who could have practically been Padme's stunt double. Adam Driver may not directly resemble Carrie Fisher, but I did think he looked close enough to a young Han Solo to pass as his kid.

It isn't Coruscant, it's "Hosnian Prime" according to the book.

Major Film Franchise Hires Slim, Pretty Young White Lady In Prominent Role. Adam Driver has jet black hair. If Rey's a Skywalker I'll buy the resemblance but it's not really enough for me to count it as evidence.

How would Rey know that woman coming up to hug her was the dead guy's wife?

Let's just assume Han had a 4 X 6 of Leia on the dash of the Falcon.
 
If this is what you understood, I apologize for not being able to explain it better to you. You started the discussion talking about Skywalker "line", now you are fixed on the Skywalker "last name".

I'm convinced you have no idea what your talking about. Considering you just sad in your previous post that he was a Skywalker because he could use the force which is far off from what your talking about now.

Kylie Ren IS a Skywalker, but his last name would not be Skywalker but either Solo or Organa due to his parents. I find it highly unlikely they would end the use of Skywalker as one of their last names. Rey has currently no last name and many signs point to her being Luke's daughter, from her picking up his saber and having visions to being told that rather than going back to Jakku to find her parents or even stay put, that she needs to keep going forward. To which who is seemingly at the end of this trail to the next part of her life? Luke.

I think it's very likely Luke left Rey on Jakku after Kylo and the Knights of Ren killed the other Jedi which included Rey's mother and thus for her safety, he left her on Jakku, just as Obiwan left Luke on Tatoonie.
 
Not sure why people are still trying to argue that Rey isn't Luke's daughter. Disney confirmed that the mainline movies are about the generations of the Skywalker line. It would be odd for them to say that, and after the prequels and originals followed a Skywalker for the main character of the sequel trilogy to be unrelated.

Rey isn't Luke's daughter but she can help him make one.

I feel horrible
 
It isn't Coruscant, it's "Hosnian Prime" according to the book.
I loved the Force Awakens, but things like this feel confusing just for the sake of being confusing. Jakku... like Tatooine... but it's Jakku. Hosnian Prime... like Coruscant... but it's Hosnian Prime.
 
Han Solo and Leia Organa are famous people. Like famous famous. Every tabloid section would have been filled for months when they got married. And once more when they broke up.

One is a princess, both are generals in the big galactic war. Oh, and instrumental in the destruction of both Death Stars and the entire Empire.

Everyone and their mother in that galaxy would know about Han and Leia's relationship.
 
I'm convinced you have no idea what your talking about. Considering you just sad in your previous post that he was a Skywalker because he could use the force which is far off from what your talking about now.

Kylie Ren IS a Skywalker, but his last name would not be Skywalker but either Solo or Organa due to his parents. I find it highly unlikely they would end the use of Skywalker as one of their last names. Rey has currently no last name and many signs point to her being Luke's daughter, from her picking up his saber and having visions to being told that rather than going back to Jakku to find her parents or even stay put, that she needs to keep going forward. To which who is seemingly at the end of this trail to the next part of her life? Luke.

Please calm down and read again. I never stated that Kylo's last name is Skywalker. Just that he is a Skywalker. Which you also state after calling me names because you read something else in my posts.

Let me draw it for you.

The Expertan said:
Disney confirmed that the mainline movies are about the generations of the Skywalker line.

Skywalker line: Anakin -> Leia -> Kylo (all users of the Force, although the family names differ from one generation to the other)

Another Skywalker line: Anaking -> Luke (maybe -> Rey)

I really hate drawing, so I might not continue this discussion in the future if it goes the same way.

Edit: funny thing is (with your obsession for last names) that Rey being Luke's daughter might not even have Skywalker as her last name, but rather her mother family name and she would still be a Skywalker.
 
It's possible the senate was moved or re-established elsewhere, but I assumed it was still the same senate on Coruscant. It certainly looked like the same hyper busy city-planet, anyway.

The planet that was destroyed was Hosnian Prime, the new home of the senate. They deliberately moved it off Coruscant to make a clean break with Palpatine's regime.
 
Man, seeing it a third time it's still just as awesome if not even better. Can't seem to get enough of it.

I finally heard Obi-Wan's "Rey" line, so cool.

And the final blow Rey got on Kylo really looks like his hand came off. When he falls down there's a distinct hand shape object lying next to him, but in the next shot he still has both hands.
 
Man, seeing it a third time it's still just as awesome if not even better. Can't seem to get enough of it.

I finally heard Obi-Wan's "Rey" line, so cool.

And the final blow Rey got on Kylo really looks like his hand came off. When he falls down there's a distinct hand shape object lying next to him, but in the next shot he still has both hands.

She destroyed his lightsaber, she didn't cut off his hand. She slashed some of his robe off as well.

So was it ever possible in the Star Wars universe to be able to wield a lightsaber expertly without being a Jedi?

Finn didn't wield a lightsaber expertly, he held his own against Kylo for a few seconds, landed a lucky hit and then got put down. He would also have been killed by that Stormtrooper if he hadn't been rescued.
 
Did they cut Maz out of the end of the movie completely or something? What happened to the shot of her handing Luke's weapon to Leia? Or her line "Hope is not lost today. It has been found."
 
I know he didn't, but is it possible someone could though?

If you were a trained swordsman then sure you could use it, although without the Force you can't reflect blaster bolts, throw it from a distance, absorb lightning or do any fancy stuff. A non-Force user is always going to lose to a Force user in a lightsaber duel though.

Did they cut Maz out of the end of the movie completely or something? What happened to the shot of her handing Luke's weapon to Leia? Or her line "Hope is not lost today. It has been found."

They shot some scenes where she travels to the Resistance base but they cut them out, once Finn had the lightsaber there was no need for Maz to tag along.
 
So was it ever possible in the Star Wars universe to be able to wield a lightsaber expertly without being a Jedi?

It's a flashy sword, it's not really rocket science. Deflecting a blow or two against an unexperienced wounded foe is not going to be stretch to anyone's imagination.

Or so I thought before I started reading the TFA Spoiler OT's. I can't believe out of everything in the movie, this is what people get so hung up about, it seems so logical. And trivial. Many mysteries surround this movie, but I really can't consider "why did this guy that got trained as a fighter since he was a kid get somewhat decent at fighting" one of them. This discussion really needs to get tabled so we can get to the good stuff of how Sheev and Rey are actually brother and long-lost sister.
 
It's a flashy sword, it's not really rocket science. Deflecting a blow or two against an unexperienced wounded foe is not going to be stretch to anyone's imagination.

Or so I thought before I started reading the TFA Spoiler OT's. I can't believe out of everything in the movie, this is what people get so hung up about, it seems so logical. And trivial. Many mysteries surround this movie, but I really can't consider "why did this guy that got trained as a fighter since he was a kid get somewhat decent at fighting" one of them. This discussion really needs to get tabled so we can get to the good stuff of how Sheev and Rey are actually brother and long-lost sister.

Or how Maz is really Yoda's bastard daughter born out of a fling he had with a Twi'lek
 
Saw it last night. Fucking loved it.

Loved Rey to death.
Loved Kylo - some really interesting character development. Helix tantrums were boss.
Loved BB8.
Everything about it was near perfect - no bullshit one of the best SW films for me. JJ delivered.


I hope we get to see a lightsaber creation in Episode 8, and maybe have Rey construct something similar to her stick where she choose yellow to reminds her of Jakku.


Yes!!
 
If you were a trained swordsman then sure you could use it, although without the Force you can't reflect blaster bolts, throw it from a distance, absorb lightning or do any fancy stuff. A non-Force user is always going to lose to a Force user in a lightsaber duel though.

Yep, Finn only lasted as long as he did due to Kylo being emotionally fucked up due to killing his dad, his wound from Chewbacca and he's relatively inexperienced in lightsaber combat since there really isn't other people using lightsabers around.

Had Kylo been on his game and not wounded, the fight is over before it begins.

Also, I'm willing to bet there will be edited versions of the film after the home release that insert the 20th century fox theme in the beginning
 
Or how Maz is really Yoda's bastard daughter born out of a fling he had with a Twi'lek

Great, now I'm imagine the sounds Yoda would make climaxing...

What if... episode 9 ends with Luke and Rey having sex and their offspring is the real chosen one?

And then Luke reveals he was Anakin's father all along

Rey is a young Shmi?


You know, Rey kind of does look like a young Shmi. Skywalker men have the hots for women who resemble her, hmm...

Tattooine and the galaxy in general are basically the stereotypical rural South.
 
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