[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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Was there any official word about Rey having Plaguis' light-staff?
They look fairly similar, but I'm not 100% sure if it's the same thing. Then again, Plaguis weapon here is from a toy, so it's bound to be different from the 'canon' staff. I was thinking that the staff itself could be made of the same "vibro-steel" or whatever the swords from kotor were made of (is that still canon?), making it an actually good weapon to use against other Force users.
Plagueis as a Muun with a staff isn't canon and besides Rey's staff is just that. A staff.
BruceLeeRoy
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Using the prequels as an example of good world building and exposition when they are probably some of the worst. I mean George Lucas literally spoon feeds you whats going on because he assumes the audience is so dumb they won't get it. JJ meanwhile expects you to actually pay attention to the movie to know whats happening.
Razgriz-Specter
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3rd Death Star devalues the first in a major way.
Why care about getting these plans that are so insignificant in the overall picture?
it basically gets rebuilt twice and the destruction of the 2nd is much more involved, 3rd is ridiculously more powerful.
2. As I have been saying since the seeing TFA, why even care if the Rebels win anymore.
The victory was false and they are destroyed 30 years later while not even directly involved in the new war.
Leaving only a splinter group of that Alliance intact.
Pretty much kills the Rebels cartoon for me as well.
WadiumArcadium
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Disney don't decide what films get made. Lucasfilm do that.
They want to try out different genres in the anthology films. Rogue One is supposed to be a more traditional war film without force users, though I still think Vader will get a brief cameo. They aren't going to hold crucial plot elements of the main saga in the spin-offs. They're supposed to be their own thing.
I think they want to stay away from the whole MCU everything's connected method. Just tell a good story with engaging characters.
How would they do it though? Not like they are going to recast young Luke, not to mention they wouldn't have had Rey until like 13 years later, even if they met after the events of rogue one.
Putting her in just so they can have a ' your mom was this character that was in the standalone' conversation during episode seems a bit odd.
At least they didn't make Tatooine an important place YET AGAIN. It's supposed to be a big galaxy, no reason 90% of the galaxy's events should be taking place on 2-3 planets.
In fact I hope we don't even get a Tatooine mention in this trilogy. It's supposed to be Flint, Michigan but it's basically been Los Angeles in the SW universe.
I'm still waiting to find luck that Rey was a force baby because Luke got lonely and found a way to literally fuck the force. Maybe with ghost Yoda.
(I'm on the Rey Kenobi ship)
BruceLeeRoy
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Theory that makes the most sense to me:
-Kylo destroys the academy culminating in the death of Lukes wife.
-Luke leaves his daughter hidden and goes of into exile knowing she will be hunted if she stays with him.
The Elite
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The plans are not insignificant nor will they ever be insignificant. They are a huge win for the Rebellion in destroying the Death Star, a vehicle that destroys entire planets, and is arguably the first stage in turning the tide in the war against the Empire. I don't see how that is insignificant in the slightest.
You're looking at the entire picture and saying because things went to shit again thirty years later that nothing before counts. Lives were saved. A New Republic was born. The Empire is dead. That is all significant.
They are already recasting Han Solo, if they want to they will recast whoever they want.
Razgriz-Specter
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I wouldn't mind seeing Naboo(sans Gungans screentime) again somewhere in the next 5 films.
Christopher
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I would like in the next movie if Luke and Rei go to Coursant and go into the empty or in ruins jedi temple would be pretty neat
Strong point.
Seems legit
Also seems legit
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Discotheque
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Can all of ushojax's post really be immediately gleaned from the film? Mad max did a great job of exposition-less world building, the best I've seen in a long time
But this just seemed really lost in the momentum and cutting scenes out. Maybe it's on me tho, I'm watching it again later today anyways.
Razgriz-Specter
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And destroyed by an Empire that wasn't dead.
Xamtheking
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But all of the Empire was on the Death Star! All of it!
I am of the same mind. The Dark Side has lost leaders, but not troops
Christopher
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Also I woulda dubbed over Carrie fishers voice - someone was breathing in too much X wing exhaust my god
Yeah, thanks for the rundown Ushojax. I picked up most of this in the movie but it's nice to see the details on screen. I think Disco's criticism of the lack of worldbuilding was valid to an extent, however.
On the one hand, the purpose of the film wasn't to built the universe. The purpose of the film was to establish new characters moving forward. In Episode 8, I think we'll see a lot of backstory and history, fleshing everything out.
On the other hand, the creators' aversion to exposition and backstory left a couple of plot points really diluted. The Republic star system getting destroyed was a good scene, but had so little impact because they hadn't established key facts. I walked out the cinema going "so what happened in the power vacuum after the Empire went bust? What's the deal with the Republic?"
A great movie imo, and the minor flaws like that were obviously concessions to the narrative overall.
BruceLeeRoy
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Mad Max is the best I have seen in a long long time.
TFA isn't perfect but I gleaned almost all of what Usho was saying first viewing.
Second viewing I caught the extra details.
Scenes are so quick moving and also overwhelming because your being introduced to new characters while being excited to see old ones its easy to get lost.
Razgriz-Specter
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Im really hoping the First Order is actually suffering after losing a planet base.
The Elite
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Can you tell me when it is stated in The Force Awakens that the New Republic has been destroyed? I don't recall that.
Planets were destroyed. The New Republic still stands.
The reason the Resistance was created was due to the fact that the Republic does not have a standing army of its own. They resolved not to maintain their own army soon after the events of ROTJ. That's why Leia puts together the Resistance, which is actually a fairly recent development from what I gather.
To an extent, I think it could. Not all of it. And no hard details, just sort of "this must have happened" presumptions.
Mad Max definitely handled it better – but Mad Max also only had two plot points in the entire film and physically spanned a few hundred miles
Seriously, everything about the planet-side scenes with Han and Leia, including the awful 'planning the Starkiller attack scene', is just so weird.
I don't know what's with them. The cuts are fast. None of the actors seem to be talking to each other, just at empty spaces off screen. The dialogue suddenly plunges into terrible cliche for a handful of lines then returns to good stuff immediately after.
Really want to watch Director's Commentary to see how these went down on-set. I get a vibe it's when Harrison was injured and he was only there for a tiny snippet of shooting.
BruceLeeRoy
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Also explains why Rey is sent to go see Luke and not his sister. Why would his sister go when:
A) Her son is responsible for killing his wife and destroying him in the process
B) Rey is his daughter and she knows thats the only chance they have to get him back.
Xamtheking
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Nah, they've still got boatloads of troops.
Razgriz-Specter
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They do have a military, Mon Mothma just cut the Republic's military by about 90%.
They specifically mention the Republic Fleet (ie Republic Star Destroyers and such) which is stationed in that system was destroyed.
I'd say they're probably down quite a lot of troops - but that the crazy new drive and energy Kylo has is going to make up for it. I think he's going to go Palpatine-tier in the next movie.
The One Who Knocks
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It's not the best, but Star Wars has never really had the best villain names outside of perhaps Vader. I assume they were going for "Choke" or "Smoke", but it really just sounds quite odd. Perhaps the name will sit better in the next film (or he'll be revealed as Plageuis, and the current name is only temporary). His visual design also really wasn't the best in this movie I found.
It's no Dooku, that's for sure.
Spiritreaver
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Same.
Do we know if the Finalizer is their only capital ship? I find it weird that it was the only one orbiting Starkiller if not. Though I guess Snoke probably has access to at least one Star Destroyer, lol.
Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, Leia wouldn't go and see Luke because of the guilt she feels about Kylo. They'll both feel immensely guilty about it. Wasn't there a scene in the movie where she says she's too old to go? Probably making it up.
It's a compelling argument. I think it's about 50/50 likelihood that Rey is a Skywalker or a Kenobi. Although we know Obi-wan never had a partner/child, so that probably swings things slightly more in the Skywalker favour.
Death Stars are surely a quite common occurence at this point, even though it has been never established if they are anything worth. They have been the weak point everytime.
Inferno313
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That would be a nice subversion if Kylo actually kills Snoke in the next movie after finishing his training, rising to true big-bad tier.
EDIT: ^^ What this guy said.
*fist bump*
I think it's really likely. I think Kylo is going to become a pretty messed up villain. Like The Joker and Bane combined. I reckon he's definitely going to kill Snoke. Ain't no doubt.
Discotheque
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These are all valid points but the glaring issue is that this asshole just abandoned his daughter on a craphole of a planet lol
Luke and Leia got far better treatment and upbringing. It kind of paints him in a more negative light considering she's scavenging for food when we're introduced to her
Oh man I'm really curious how this whole thing plays out. Might even be tempted to actually read leaks (maybe) when they inevitably come out for this whole Rey thing
Inferno313
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Yeah, I don't think that's where they'll go with it. Kathleen Kennedy has said repeatedly that they're not trying to do what Marvel does, where everything fits together as part of a larger narrative. The point of anthology films is, according to her, just to tell cool, unique, and different kinds of stories in the universe.
Well, the first Death Star could only be destroyed after intrigate knowledge of the structure, the second one wasn't even finished when it blew up, and the third one was pretty solid, they didn't count on anyone crazy enough to approach the planet at lightspeed. And even then, the capacitator was pretty well shielded, Poe Dameron had to get in there to blow it up. I'd say whoever is designing these things is actually getting better at it. And all in all, 3 Death Stars built, the first one destroyed Alderaan, SB destroyed Hosnian Prime and all the planets in it's system. Pretty damn impressive.
Totally in team Rey Skywalker. Luke would have left her on a Jakku, planet with no force sensitives, completely in the backwater, so that Kylo would not get to her. Both her and Kylo have massive untapped potential/power with the Force(Rey taught herself to mind trick and Kylo froze a blaster bolt), which to me gives credence to her being in the Skywalker bloodline. Snoke is probably pretty powerful, expect we will get details on him from Luke as I would suspect he put that gash in his head.
My general theory regarding the future of the Jedi that they will follow is that they are going to move away from a pure Light/Dark dichotomy towards a model of internal balance for the individual. On the other hand they can just keep repeating the cycle but my thought is that Luke went to seek the original Jedi temple to understand how to deal with the never ending strife between Light/Dark because he sees the cycle repeating already.
Im kinda worried they are going to do a split narrative for the 2nd movie. Would honestly rather they just timeskip her training and then flashback to it as needed(ala Kill Bill). We dont need to see Rey carrying Luke on her back during training.
My general theory regarding the future of the Jedi that they will follow is that they are going to move away from a pure Light/Dark dichotomy towards a model of internal balance for the individual. On the other hand they can just keep repeating the cycle but my thought is that Luke went to seek the original Jedi temple to understand how to deal with the never ending strife between Light/Dark because he sees the cycle repeating already.
Im kinda worried they are going to do a split narrative for the 2nd movie. Would honestly rather they just timeskip her training and then flashback to it as needed(ala Kill Bill). We dont need to see Rey carrying Luke on her back during training.
shortsFortallPeople
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It makes sense given that he sees Snoke as a father figure and we all know how that worked out for Han.
The emperor only made a brief appearance in TESB as the monkey face man so it wouldn't surprise me if we still don't actually have an idea what the big badguy is in this series
It'd be rad if Snoke sees so much more potential in Rey, and is only building up Kylo to get to her. Once Kylo realizes this (and that his dad was right), he goes all Commodus on Snoke, and claims his position as the true leader of the First Order.
Inferno313
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I can almost see the Rey/Luke scenes playing out like the Dumbledore/Harry scenes in The Half-Blood Prince. Less back carrying and lifting rocks, more following Luke around and learning from him as they explore ancient Jedi temples.
I would really like if we see as much of Kylo's training as we do Rey's. Dark Side training hasn't been explored nearly as much on film.
JetBlackPanda
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People that think Luke just left Rey on Jakku? Um.. Isn't that where Lor San Tekka is? Clearly the dude has been watching over Rey. He even knows who Kylo really is and clearly has a backstory with Leia.
Razgriz-Specter
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Problem is all the current canon books hit you over the head with how stupid they are.
Pretty much all the surviving imperial leaders in the books agree it was a stupid idea from day one...
And then they made a 3rd.
Its something you don't even think about but when Luke blows up the 1st there are thousands to tens of thousands troops just sleeping in their bunks.
Discotheque
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Right right, forgot about Max Von Sydow's possible involvement with watching her for a second
Edit; this still makes luke a real shit tho, im doubting he's her father. Or if he is there's gonna have to be some major tension between them in the sequel
Edit; this still makes luke a real shit tho, im doubting he's her father. Or if he is there's gonna have to be some major tension between them in the sequel
Personally I think it's because Luke wouldn't want to see another Kenobi die at the hands of his family. That is if Rey is if connected to anyone I think her being a Kenobi is the likeliest bet.
I really don't think she is the daughter of Luke. Since Ben has been influenced by Snoke since he was a little boy why wouldn't he just do that to Rey if she is the daughter of Luke? Why would Luke keep her near himself for 5 years when he sees his sister's son slipping to the dark side. Basically for her to be Luke's daughter would mean for Luke to be blind horse that has no feeling for the force. If Leia could feel Snoke influencing a young Ben then we can be sure Luke felt it too. He wouldn't keep Rey near himself for 5 years while all this is going on.
I thought this was obvious. Luke would be the only one to him the final peice of the map.
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