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The friend I saw this with said to me last night that Star Wars Episode VII was better than Mad Max: Fury Road

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KingSnake said:
If Rey is indeed Luke's daughter, I hope she slices the hell out of him in Episode VIII.

Because the only sane reason for him to abandon her as a slave for so many years is either him being insane or her being drawn to the dark side.
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One of the reasons I have a hard time seeing her being his actual daughter.

FloatOn said:
Can we talk about the general feel they might go for in Episode 8?

will they go even darker? is someone else going to die?

or will it be a bit more light hearted this time around?

I think a big portion of the movie will focus on the training of Rey and Kylo so I don't know.

Maybe someone loses a limb
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I think it will be fairly dark. Even if no one dies they'll have to delve into the backstory of Kylo Ren and what happened at Luke's academy, and why Luke went away. I think it's hard to tackle those things in a lighthearted way. Everything is set up for Ep.8 to be the Empire Strikes Back of this trilogy. It'll be interesting to see what Rian Johnson does, because there seems to be a logical direction to take things in, but I wouldn't be surprised if he throws us some curveballs.
 
OnPoint said:
You're allowed to disagree, that's how opinions work. I happen to think yours is "poor" as well, so I guess we're even, though I don't know what he 'nailed'. I think he shined most when the two gruops of dudes showed up to capture him -- He was Han Solo there. Maybe right before and right after. And I liked his scenes with Finn, saying women always figure it out and calling him "Big Deal". But just about everywhere else, he seemed like he couldn't care less. I thought he was awful and dragged down just about every scene he was in. Where was the pain in losing his son to the dark side? Ben went off the deep end and killed a shit ton of people and he didn't see him for 15 years... then he had next to no emotion while confronting him. Even his death was without weight. I can look past my love for Han Solo as a character and the nostalgia factor of seeing him and honestly say that I just didn't feel his performance at all. Sorry..
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The only hope that I have is that you saw it in IMAX with Real 3d glasses.
 
FloatOn said:
Can we talk about the general feel they might go for in Episode 8?

will they go even darker? is someone else going to die?

or will it be a bit more light hearted this time around?

I think a big portion of the movie will focus on the training of Rey and Kylo so I don't know.

Maybe someone loses a limb
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I think they'll leave most of the training to the inbetween film jump. If I ventured to guess, it would have Luke and Rey pursuing some ancient Jedi related question, and Kylo Ren discovering the location of the Jedi Temple. Finn wakes up to a new status quo, at some point teaming up with Poe and new girl, with the whole thing culminating in a galactic space race to warn Rey. Mystic half will be darker and more mysterious, with Ren full of rage, while Finn is caught up in more of a buddy-caper-spacerace adventure.
 
OnPoint said:
You're allowed to disagree, that's how opinions work. I happen to think yours is "poor" as well, so I guess we're even, though I don't know what he 'nailed'. I think he shined most when the two gruops of dudes showed up to capture him -- He was Han Solo there. Maybe right before and right after. And I liked his scenes with Finn, saying women always figure it out and calling him "Big Deal". But just about everywhere else, he seemed like he couldn't care less. I thought he was awful and dragged down just about every scene he was in. Where was the pain in losing his son to the dark side? Ben went off the deep end and killed a shit ton of people and he didn't see him for 15 years... then he had next to no emotion while confronting him. Even his death was without weight. I can look past my love for Han Solo as a character and the nostalgia factor of seeing him and honestly say that I just didn't feel his performance at all. Sorry.



Even with the injuries, I'd say he held his own against a more skilled and powerful opponent and only really took heat when he finally landed a blow. I feel like there's more to Finn than we know.
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Solo was never a deeply emotional guy to begin with... He's got his self interest at heart, with a smidge of "I might give the slightest of fucks" about anyone else. Solo is about self preservation and opportunity. The only reason he came back to help the rebels originally was a twitch in his pants and a chance for more money should they actually succeed.
 
Owed T'Alex said:
Rey's parentage is not a cliffhanger. Why would they send her to Luke and not Poe, or send whoever would have gone if Poe had succeeded in his initial mission?
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Leia probably would have gone if Poe had succeeded.

They sent Rey because she can use the force. R2D2 can give Luke the updated info about the FO.
 
FloatOn said:
Can we talk about the general feel they might go for in Episode 8?

will they go even darker? is someone else going to die?

or will it be a bit more light hearted this time around?

I think a big portion of the movie will focus on the training of Rey and Kylo so I don't know.

Maybe someone loses a limb
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What else has the Jurassic World director done?
 
Dicer said:
Solo was never a deeply emotional guy to begin with... He's got his self interest at heart, with a smidge of "I might give the slightest of fucks" about anyone else. Solo is about self preservation and opportunity. The only reason he came back to help the rebels originally was a twitch in his pants and a chance for more money should they actually succeed.
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He grew quite a bit by the end of Episode VI and seemed like he actually cared for the people around him. I'm not saying I disagree with the idea that he fled when trying to deal with what Ben did. But to ignore that his character grew over the course of the original three movies is just silly to me. Like, you really want me to buy that he wouldn't care about his son, or that seeing him after 15 years wouldn't have some sort of visible impact on the guy?
 
Finn was also a trained soldier and most likely somewhat experienced in hand-to-hand combat. So it makes sense that he could at least last 30 seconds against a semi-trained, injured sith.

Also, Rey has to be Luke's daughter. First of all, the movies are about the Skywalkers primarily. Then you have the trailer with Luke's voiceover talking about the Force in his family.
 
OnPoint said:
He grew quite a bit by the end of Episode VI and seemed like he actually cared for the people around him. I'm not saying I disagree with the idea that he fled when trying to deal with what Ben did. But to ignore that his character grew over the course of the original three movies is just silly to me. Like, you really want me to buy that he wouldn't care about his son, or that seeing him after 15 years wouldn't have some sort of visible impact on the guy?
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If he didn't care he wouldn't have confronted him, he would have simply left...
 
Forgot my rankings...


Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars
Force Awakens
Jedi

I don't consider the prequels part of Star Wars, i lose less sleep that way but if must.

Phantom Menace - mainly because of Darth Maul, Duel of the fates and I still had hope the sequels would be better

Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
 
heyf00L said:
Also, Rey has to be Luke's daughter. First of all, the movies are about the Skywalkers primarily. Then you have the trailer with Luke's voiceover talking about the Force in his family.
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1) Kylo is a Skywalker and Luke is obviously playing a decent sized part in Episode 8 at a minimum
2) That sound bite is from the OT
 
TheXbox said:
Two questions:

1. If Rey is Luke's kid, why is Luke such an asshole? First he dumps her off on a dangerous, piece of shit desert planet, leaving her a de facto orphan, then he makes her hike up a mountain just to watch him take a piss.

2. Why would the movie end the way it did? Why doesn't Luke reach out to her? Why doesn't he say something? They're leaving this thing ambiguous only so they can answer it within the first five minutes of the next film?

I don't think he recognized her. Or her him, for that matter. Being a Kenobi kiddo makes more sense thematically, but I think she's really a nobody. We'll never find out who her parents are, and it doesn't really matter. Kylo is the new Skywalker. Rey is the harbinger of a tainted bloodline.
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1. Evidently it was for her safety. He left her on a dead-end, backwater planet because nobody would look for her there.

2. They evidently will have a conversation like that, and the beginning of the next film probably won't show it to us. We don't need to say what we already know they will say. I think it will cut to half-way through her training when they already have rapport.

Shuggananas said:
Force semen
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Almost lost it at work
 
The way I see it.

Episode 7: the Star Wars we wanted.
Episode 8: needs to be the Star Wars we deserve
Episode 9: wrap it all up
 
What if, Luke has to face Snoke or Kylo and gets greatly injured or weakened. Kylo drops Snoke to take the mantle. Then Luke gets the Yoda death in IX. Pass away peacefully into the force. Leaving Kylo in Rey's hands.
 
Dicer said:
If he didn't care he wouldn't have confronted him, he would have simply left...
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Please note: My problem isn't with the writing. It's with the performance. I think Ford did a bad job. The character did pretty much what I thought he should have.
 
heyf00L said:
Finn was also a trained soldier and most likely somewhat experienced in hand-to-hand combat. So it makes sense that he could at least last 30 seconds against a semi-trained, injured sith.

Also, Rey has to be Luke's daughter. First of all, the movies are about the Skywalkers primarily. Then you have the trailer with Luke's voiceover talking about the Force in his family.
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I expect this information to be discovered earlier in VIII just like how it was revealed who Kylo was.

Then they can get it out of the way, and focus on something a little more jaw dropping.

Like a reverse ESB kind of thing. Let Rey find out earlier on, and then spend a good chunk of the movie conflicted about it, and trying to justify some of Luke's actions that she obviously doesn't agree with.
 
It's probably been talked about, but is the fact that the Skywalker-map-old-dude's outpost and Rey are on the same planet a clue, or just another Force coincidence?
 
Sotha Sil said:
It's probably been talked about, but is the fact that the Skywalker-map-old-dude's outpost and Rey are on the same planet a clue, or just another Force coincidence?
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Speculation is that he was supposed to be Rey's Obi Wan, but things got nasty.
 
KingSnake said:
Him not searching for his daughter or going after the Dark side that supposedly killed his daughter it's also a good motive to have him sliced by Rey in Episode VIII.
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Too struck with greif after what Kylo did. Plus its a huge universe. Anakin never found Luke or Leia until the events of ANH and ESB.
 
Sotha Sil said:
It's probably been talked about, but is the fact that the Skywalker-map-old-dude's outpost and Rey are on the same planet a clue, or just another Force coincidence?
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The biggest clue to me is between Maz and Han, and yet I don't see hardly anyone here acknowledge it.

Finn and Rey leave Maz and Han alone to talk.

Maz says something to Han about "So who's the girl..."

Cut to Rey stumbling down to the Light Saber only to have Maz follwer her down there. Obviously whatever Han said, Maz knew exactly where Rey was going/what she was doing.
 
This movie definitely has legs! Went to see it at a full screen in the uk on monday morning. Looking at going again a week tomorrow and all the best seats are already taken.
 
6.8 said:
The way I see it.

Episode 7: the Star Wars we wanted.
Episode 8: needs to be the Star Wars we deserve
Episode 9: wrap it all up
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yes

Ep 8 is going to be the real deal

Ep 9 is going to be a good showing of climaxes and conclusions but won't be as meaningful as 8

hey hey - basically just like The Empire Strikes Back! who'd'a' thunk it!
 
By the way, I totally think Episode VIII is gonna get bumped to Dec. 2017.


I feel like May would be too close for comfort
 
MMarston said:
By the way, I totally think Episode VIII is gonna get bumped to Dec. 2017.


I feel like May would be too close for comfort
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It depends on how far along they are into filming. Plus, they probably don't have to worry about building as many assets for the CG scenes since they'll just use the stuff from VII.
 
Revenge of the Sith is NOT the best Star Wars film. Out of all the films, it treats its female a characters the worst.

That female twi'lek (or whatever the species name is) gets gun down...and she's wearing an outfit that exposes her midriff.

Padme spends the entire film sitting around while pregnant.
 
MMarston said:
By the way, I totally think Episode VIII is gonna get bumped to Dec. 2017.


I feel like May would be too close for comfort
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It begins principal photography in less than 3 weeks. Scripted is locked. Pre-production complete. Sets built. That whole jazz.

It isn't a movie that is just in planning or just in pre-production at this point.

Episode 8 will be done filming in a matter of months from now.

If they move it they will be sitting on a fully complete movie for over 6 months. This isn't like the Episode VII delay where they scrapped the script and started over and delayed it back then in pre-production before it was even cast or anything.
 
The Librarian said:
Revenge of the Sith is NOT the best Star Wars film. Out of all the films, it treats its female a characters the worst.

That female twi'lek (or whatever the species name is) gets gun down...and she's wearing an outfit that exposes her midriff.

Padme spends the entire film sitting around while pregnant.
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Though I like ROTS, this always bums me out because you look at what the character is like in TPM and you go "what the fuck happened here?"
 
The Librarian said:
Revenge of the Sith is NOT the best Star Wars film. Out of all the films, it treats its female a characters the worst.

That female twi'lek (or whatever the species name is) gets gun down...and she's wearing an outfit that exposes her midriff.

Padme spends the entire film sitting around while pregnant.
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TBQH, I thought people that were saying this were simply trolling. I didn't think anyone actually believed that a movie that spawned so many memes for all the wrong reasons would be anyone's "favorite" Star Wars film.

It's just kinda sad. Must be a generational thing. I can understand if that's the one you grew up on.
 
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