Nostremitus
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They wanted the story to feel familiar. Both of the other trilogies' protagonists started out with a similar setting.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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give him IX
Partially because Michael Arndt was having trouble writing a script, so JJ and Kasdan had to scramble, and partially to lure back in the anti-PT crowd by making something familiar.
Also, in regards to someone earlier saying that they had trouble connecting scavenging and building, in Before the Awakening Rey spends months rebuilding a crashed Ghtroc 690 from scavenged parts and flies it to Niima Outpost before some people steal it. She's a skilled mechanic.
shiftplusone
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Dont the jedi interpret the Dark side as a corruption of the force vs the opposite side, and "balance in the force" would be destroying the corruption?
I could have sworn that was how it was explained somewhere.
This whole film was a stark reminder of just how fucking terrible the dialogue was in 1,2, & 3. I think Lucas was aiming for something more akin to Shakespeare for those films but the end result was just laughable. People actually talk like people in TFA - which I greatly appreciated.
It makes me wonder just how much better the prequels would have been if Lucas simply didn't write the scripts himself. Probably not a whole lot better, but they would have been way easier to muscle through.
Inferno313
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I don't think she overcame those struggles pretty quickly. Afterall, even once they get to Takodana, she rejects Han's job offer because she wants to get home.
It's when Finn and Han come back for her on Starkiller base, and then when she has to fight for both her, and finn's life, that she starts to realize that this can be her life, and these friends are more important than the family she's been waiting her whole life for.
I don't know why you'd want her to be more like Luke... We've already had three movies with Luke, I want a lead character that's different from Luke. And in many ways she's the inverse Luke.
Luke was all about getting away from Tattooine and joining the Rebellion, but he didn't get an opportunity too until he discovered his connection with the force.
Rey has the skills and knowledge that she could leave Jakku and make a life for herself at any moment, but has chosen to plant herself there. Her connection with the force isn't what motivates her to leave, her connection with others is.
She was yelled at when she stopped scrubbing some metal for a bit. If she's not a slave then she's at least an employee as well as a scavenger.
And/or the exit from the building he used put him out ahead of their position. It's not like he followed them out the same door. There are hundreds of tiny ways it could be justified, especially since Kylo has home field advantage.
LegendofLex
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Their #1 objective with this movie was to establish new characters and their place in the established story and universe, not a new story per se.
There's a reason why Han returns and dies in the same film, why the presence of Starkiller Base is less looming than the Death Star, and why the final battle is really and truly Rey vs. Kylo instead of Resistance vs. Starkiller Base. That's because the film wants to ground you in the universe of the OT while handing it off to the new guys.
Really, when you look past the obvious visual cues, it's really more a progression through the entire OT (with the Han/Kylo scene twisting the final confrontation between Luke/Vader and setting us down a new unexplored path) than just a pseudo-remake of Episode IV.
plot is as similar to IV as it is similar to the whole OT really
it's kinda eh on some points about it but it works cause the whole "new death star" bit is actually backdrop this time around and not really the big end all conflict
also, I get it in "soft reboot" terms of getting the old angry star wars fans back, and it's interesting that it already runs through the OT material and leaves the sequels in potentially new territory
it's kinda eh on some points about it but it works cause the whole "new death star" bit is actually backdrop this time around and not really the big end all conflict
also, I get it in "soft reboot" terms of getting the old angry star wars fans back, and it's interesting that it already runs through the OT material and leaves the sequels in potentially new territory
JaseMath
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I don't know that there's a real "reason" other than pandering to the fanbase, but both IV and VII follow the Hero's Journey to the letter and that accounts for a lot of the narratives similarity.
To be fair, this is the kind of stupid shit me and my girlfriend tell to each other all the time, with the same idiotic smile and everything.
The IMAX I saw it on cannot disagree more with this post
yeah I saw it in 3D IMAX and it was pretty awesome. I generally hate 3D, gives me a headache and strains the fuck outta my eyes. However watching this I didn't even feel much strain eyes much, and I actually thought it looked great and was a fun experience. Loved when that Star Destroyer thing was cruising into the audience.
Already Torn
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Probably not much better. The final fight scene is pretty much screaming "this is what the prequels should have been like", and that's all directing.
Hire JJ to improve things a bit
haha yes. theres still time, jj. you're executive producer. take the movie from trevorrow
and i mean, of COURSE he's gonna say its good. but thats good news, i suppose
Gross, lol.
Nah, Carrie Fisher was just taking a nap during her scenes.
I don't want her to be more like Luke, I just mean that luke has a fuller, more character driven arc. It aint nothing new that hasnt been done before but it's something, and its ussually how character arcs work, they want something, they struggle, they get it.
the issue now is that physically at least Rey has already shown to be superior to all and able to do a buuuuuuuuunch of shit. That's a problem when having a middle chapter where she must presumably fail or struggle. Even from your 'mentally' aspect, she already overcomes it. I don't mean it happens quickly in the film, I mean it's done now. She faced Kylo and she meditated mid-fight.
now you gotta pull back, somehow, or make everyone stupid strong
Pai Pai Master
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Lol nope you're getting Colin Trevorrow and you're gonna like it
So my friend posted this review from TheBlaze he agreed with, and I gotta say I disagree. Will post more when I get to my laptop, but I will say that I think this film stands fine on its own in the way Empire Strikes Back does.
I also don't like that he basically says the only reason anyone likes it is because they can't separate their nostalgia from legitimate criticism, which is an undercooked blanket statement in my opinion.
Review:http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/what-went-wrong-with-star-wars-the-force-awakens/
I also don't like that he basically says the only reason anyone likes it is because they can't separate their nostalgia from legitimate criticism, which is an undercooked blanket statement in my opinion.
Review:http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/what-went-wrong-with-star-wars-the-force-awakens/
Inferno313
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Dash_Riprock
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With none of the comic book movies appealing to me its going to be a VERY long 18 months...
Nostremitus
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She works all day and the only payment is a portion of a day's ration. When you work for subsistence with no actual monetary pay, there's a word for that. The junk dealer owns everything in his scrapyard. Everything. He controls the water supply, the food rations, and the fuel for the speeders. Even if he doesn't outright tell everyone that he owns them, he does still own and control everything they do and have access to so they are his slaves.
I wish it could be possible.
I think we are going to see three very distinct styles in this new trilogy.
JJ - the copier
Rian - the risk taker
Trevorrow - throw shit at the wall and hope some of it sticks
Inferno313
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Well you get Rouge One in 12 months!
This has probably already been mentioned by others but maybe not...
The more I think of Ren, the more interesting he is...He is clearly obsessed with Vader (as mentioned many times) and wishes to "finish what he started". What is a slightly less obvious is that he is kind of a joke. He is in fact belittled at every turn by those immediately above him...I think Han is right when he tells him that he is simply being used to get to the others which makes me wonder what the FO will do with him when his usefulness is done.
His get up is particularly interesting. He doesn't need a mask...he doesn't need a rebreather...he doesn't need a cape. But he wears these things things as a cheap attempt to emulate Vader because (I guess) that is what you do when you want to emulate your hero? Its akin to the kids that bought Michael Jordan shoes so that they could "be like Mike"...it's all kind of silly/pathetic when seen in that vein and makes him interesting.
The more I think of Ren, the more interesting he is...He is clearly obsessed with Vader (as mentioned many times) and wishes to "finish what he started". What is a slightly less obvious is that he is kind of a joke. He is in fact belittled at every turn by those immediately above him...I think Han is right when he tells him that he is simply being used to get to the others which makes me wonder what the FO will do with him when his usefulness is done.
His get up is particularly interesting. He doesn't need a mask...he doesn't need a rebreather...he doesn't need a cape. But he wears these things things as a cheap attempt to emulate Vader because (I guess) that is what you do when you want to emulate your hero? Its akin to the kids that bought Michael Jordan shoes so that they could "be like Mike"...it's all kind of silly/pathetic when seen in that vein and makes him interesting.
SmackAttack
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While I very much enjoyed Jurassic World for the dumb fun it was, I do hope he does better for Star Wars.
Pai Pai Master
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Rey gonna be fighting Snoke in high heels at the end of this trilogy
Why am i already hyped?
They just keep bringing us back in.
He should have a better script than Jurrasic World at least.
Kor of Memory
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That's the flaw of the prequels.
When most of the Jedi talk about the prophecy, they see Balance as some for of enlightenment. If all the sith are gone, then they can ascend to a new level of the force.
Except Mace Windu, he makes a comment that the prophesy was misunderstood, but doesn't elaborate.
It would be easy to assume that the actual balance is the canceling out of both sides.
Nostremitus
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Will Ewan McGregor sing?
But Rogue One is out in 12 months.
JaseMath
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She's a slave to the almighty quarter portion.
A duet with Manny Bothans !!
Future PhaZe
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people wanted to like the prequels and the only thing they liked about TPM was the maul duel--and there was a lot of flat out annoyance/disgust with the prequels the second AotC dropped
no, people legitimately like TFA and aren't just fooling themselves
also dude like
Rey's run on the millenium falcon against phasma was fucking ludicrous
straight up Anakin "now THIS is pod racing" level of random pilot mastery
not saying I don't like it nor that im the one with the biggest issues on it but even Han Solo had a crash landing on starkiller base, and that's cooler, you know, its a cooler character moment
rey is all "this ship hasnt flown in years"
then *BRAWWAMS SDJHJHHX FLYIN INSIDE STAR DESTROYER WE BLEW UP PHASMA*
mary sue blabla and all but maybe have her like, put a small dent on it?
Rey's run on the millenium falcon against phasma was fucking ludicrous
straight up Anakin "now THIS is pod racing" level of random pilot mastery
not saying I don't like it nor that im the one with the biggest issues on it but even Han Solo had a crash landing on starkiller base, and that's cooler, you know, its a cooler character moment
rey is all "this ship hasnt flown in years"
then *BRAWWAMS SDJHJHHX FLYIN INSIDE STAR DESTROYER WE BLEW UP PHASMA*
mary sue blabla and all but maybe have her like, put a small dent on it?
Dash_Riprock
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You're right. And I completely forgot about ID4-2 in June.
Gonna be a very long 6 months then.
Inferno313
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I'm still not too concerned about Trevorrow. Sure, Jurassic World was disappointing, and he's definitely a bigger question mark than JJ or Rian, but Colin Treverrow's first film, Safety Not Guaranteed, is really quite a great little indie, that achieved a lot of critical acclaim. Honestly, it's a film I appreciate more than any of JJ's pre-SW filmography aside from Star Trek '09.
I've also heard that JW was a bit of a mess. With having 4 different screenwriters, and a decent amount of studio interference. Trevorrow wanted to do more with practical effects in JW, for instance, and the studio consistently told him he needed to stick to CGI.
Now here comes the part where a bunch of Gaffers tell me I'm crazy for liking Safety Not Guaranteed, a film with a 90 on RT.
Yeah that review sucks. He didn't like it and he's in the extreme minority. The hubris in prescribing why everyone else liked it is the cherry on top.
Edvardelis
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While technically she could walk away at any moment in time ... where would she go? The whole planet is a wasteland and I doubt she could afford a flight off what with how little she got for scavenging.
The Elite
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Check out Kirk-Spock slash fiction from back in the day.
The tumblr crowd gets themselves worked up over this sort of thing and then when it doesn't pan out like they expected they get upset. It will be no different here.
Though I could see Poe being gay.
DiipuSurotu
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I think Mad von Sydow explicitly says there can't be balance of the Force without the Jedi.
Wait that was Phasma? I thought it was just a random TIE pilot.
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