Inferno313
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I make that typo every time. T_T
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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I make that typo every time. T_T
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I really don't see how any of this is particularly unbelievable when she's set up as a person who climbs up huge cliffs every day to get bread and water. It's much more subdued than obviously Anakin but even Luke I'd say.
CreepingFear
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She's going to lead a Rancor to go eat Kylo Ren.
Kind of appropriate to be on TheBlaze then...WOW at the front page.
literally the only star wars tfa review ever that will reference Atlas Shrugged Part 1
Kor of Memory
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Phasma? Huh?
Weren't those just 2 random TIE fighters? Where was Phasma involved for this part?
Also, I still don't get how people don't realize Rey has a history of flying. She drops enough hints in the dialogue about it.
Nostremitus
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Did you miss the part where the junker was reducing how much food the parts were worth because she brought enough to actually make a profit? Or where he tried to buy the droid with half a months worth of food instead of actually paying for it? Then when she refused he sent his goons to get it anyway because everything they find or could possibly have found in the scrap belongs to him anyway.
Inferno313
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I don't think it's a fact at all that he's been cast in VIII. He's really dead bro.
I confess I skimmed it but yeah there's not much new here. "The movie generally comes across as a two-and-a-half-hour teaser for Episode VIII" is the sort of thing that I take as both clearly true and also not a huge problem. I've said in this thread a couple times but Star Wars is far from my favorite cinematic experience this year. It doesn't have to be, though, the project of Star Wars isn't the same as the project of other films. Star Wars is so much more than the movies, all it needed to accomplish to be "successful" in my eyes was establishing that Star Wars is Back and they've created New Things to be psyched about.
Yeah girl's a wage slave for sure. The "she was reluctant to leave in case her parents came back" thing was sort of weird since it wasn't clear how she could've left of she'd wanted to. She can't even manage to earn a full day's ration after doing a full day's work, what kinda money she going to use? Though later at the bar, Finn talks his way onto a crew by promising service. She probably could've signed on to a passing vessel as a mechanic.
Thinking scenes over in my head - I need to see the interrogation scene between Kylo Ren and Rey again as the only thing bothering me a little is her "You're afraid you'll never be as strong as Darth Vader" line.
I know she's pushing back and actually in his head at this point, but she's amazed when she meets Han Solo, is astonished to hear about Luke Skywalker but just drops Vader's name in there as if she's super familiar with who he was and what he did.
I know she's pushing back and actually in his head at this point, but she's amazed when she meets Han Solo, is astonished to hear about Luke Skywalker but just drops Vader's name in there as if she's super familiar with who he was and what he did.
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I'd be shocked if he's still alive in the next one. Harrison Ford barely survived the shooting of this film alone.
I think it's also implied she used the Force to navigate the Star Destroyer.
She told Finn she didn't know how she did it, aka Force-ex Machina
Inferno313
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That doesn't mean she's a slave though. It means he ruins a really shady monopoly.
BattleshipErnest
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I don't get the sentiment people have that the roles should be reversed, with the First Order being the small rag tag rebels and the Republic being the ones in total control.
The only thing the last movie showed was the death of the Emperor and their new Death Star. But that doesn't mean the whole empire's host of resources, manpower, and control just breaks. It would take a long time to finish off the rest of it.
So yeah, they'd have a ton of power left, even 40 years later or however long it is.
Anyone else wonder who the trooper who died that left the bloody hand print on his helmet? Just a rando? OR someone he was friends with?
The only thing the last movie showed was the death of the Emperor and their new Death Star. But that doesn't mean the whole empire's host of resources, manpower, and control just breaks. It would take a long time to finish off the rest of it.
So yeah, they'd have a ton of power left, even 40 years later or however long it is.
Anyone else wonder who the trooper who died that left the bloody hand print on his helmet? Just a rando? OR someone he was friends with?
SmackAttack
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Right. Which is why I'm hoping he can do some good stuff directing wise and show he can improve on that front.
so if someone is selling something and they decide they want to set the price, i'm their slave?
kinda OT but I'm hype as hell for Rogue One. It'll be interesting to see how it all comes together. It'll be fun to see different stories in this universe.
Also I'm holding out hope they Vader will make an appearance. If they do that You'll get a lot of people in those seats. If only to see him for a brief moment.
Also I'm holding out hope they Vader will make an appearance. If they do that You'll get a lot of people in those seats. If only to see him for a brief moment.
The Jurassic World guy is doing IX? There goes my newfound enthusiasm. JW was one of the worst movies I've seen in years, especially compared to JP.
I don't know, doesn't that just make that guy an asshole scrapyard owner? Seemed like she was free to do whatever she wanted, she just had a shitty job with a shitty boss.
brandonh83
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I think she was in his mind which is how she knows of him and used it against him.
it was a random kinda shiny guy probably yeah I don't remember
and again, like
character 1: "im a pilot"
*does incredible pilot stuff with a ship she has never flown minutes into the movie*
one line of dialogue doesnt justify what could be a cooler and more engaging initially flawed character
it aint kids playing with toys going "I win cause I have Shield X infinity plus one" and suddenly they do cause they say so
it's cooler when you show development. You're thinking of me complaining about "how is this possible" when my complaint is "this way it aint as fun"
and again, like
character 1: "im a pilot"
*does incredible pilot stuff with a ship she has never flown minutes into the movie*
one line of dialogue doesnt justify what could be a cooler and more engaging initially flawed character
it aint kids playing with toys going "I win cause I have Shield X infinity plus one" and suddenly they do cause they say so
it's cooler when you show development. You're thinking of me complaining about "how is this possible" when my complaint is "this way it aint as fun"
Actually, you'd be surprised what a difference things like a mask and costume can make to your performance in a certain task. The mask in particular is a remove. Like how people feel more free to let their cruelty and aggression out when they have a remove like being on the internet or being in a car. The mask lets him feel more free to let the dark side flow through him. The fact that it also puts him in a Darth Vader mindset doesn't hurt either, it's like battle meditation...uh, not like Bastila has, just like normal mediation.
You have to have talent and strength to reach great heights too, but a large part of any battle is fought in the mind. That said, he's clearly losing at the end of the movie, more broken Ben Solo than fearsome Kylo Ren. Work in progress.
Force. Ghost.
JaseMath
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I assumed the junker was connected to the first order somehow and that's why he wanted the droid. Never got the impression it was an ownership by right thing.
Inferno313
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Nah, he's not a Jedi.
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She totally sucks at flying the ship though for the whole chase sequence! I remember thinking it was cool that the Falcon flew smoothly when Han was in control, but looked like a hunk of junk with Rey.
Kor of Memory
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If she was a slave, then why would he offer he extra food rations? If she belongs to him, he would just own everything she does by default.
She's a scavenger, not a slave. She just happens to be in a shitty location with extra shitty supply and demand scenarios.
He's dead.
Tell your dad the truth. Tell your dad that the guy who plays Han Solo - Harrison Ford, secretly loathes Star Wars and wanted Han Solo killed off in 1983. He came back for the money and the death scene. No way in hell was he going to sign up to do three more of these movies.
cubicle47b
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Sebulba's pod racer had amazing sound design so there are two things.
she does?
what I remember is her flying through a star destroyer and at the end being able to even position the blasters to aim RIGHT AHEAD to hit their chaser
on a ship she has never flown before that looks like none other
im fine with it, I just think it could have been cooler by not being so straight up "easy victory" without the characters really having earned it
Basketball
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That scene with the 1st Order rally
I really wanted to play Wolfenstein
I really wanted to play Wolfenstein
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She does haha. The ship flops around like crazy and crashes into everything, then once she starts to get a handle on things she tries the star destroyer and the force takes over or something.
Seriously, the Falcon is actually animated completely differently depending on who's flying.
character 1: "I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home"
*does incredible pilot stuff in a ship he has never flown and then blows up the Death Star making an impossible shot with his eyes closed*
She's introduced to us as a pilot, her first action sequence is demonstrating that she is a pilot, she has trouble getting the Falcon off the ground since she hasn't flown that specific ship before, but she quickly acclimates (yet still is skidding off crap throughout the chase), then proceeds to do a bit of crazy flying because of the Force.
Everytime "plot holes" or the Mary Sue shit comes up I have to wonder if we saw the same film.
dude he blows the death star at the end and he closes his eyes to use the force. it's literally the culmination of his initial journey (which we see him go through rather than telling us) as opposed to the first thing he does in the film
how is that your argument
Here's a question..
The first time I saw the film, everytime Kylo used his power, there was this low level static-y sound..
The second time, it wasn't there at all.
Oddly enough, the sound in the first theater sounded amazing, and I thought it was a nice touch, especially during the Kylo/Ren mental battle thing, where the static kept fading in and out when she started to win.
I'm guessing there was a sound problem, but that was literally the only part of the film where there was an error if so.
The first time I saw the film, everytime Kylo used his power, there was this low level static-y sound..
The second time, it wasn't there at all.
Oddly enough, the sound in the first theater sounded amazing, and I thought it was a nice touch, especially during the Kylo/Ren mental battle thing, where the static kept fading in and out when she started to win.
I'm guessing there was a sound problem, but that was literally the only part of the film where there was an error if so.
It's not problematic at all:
1) Rey's mother. Explanation: Luke met Mara Jade equivalent at some point after Return of the Jedi. They fell in love. Had a daughter. She was killed when the Jedi Temple was attacked. Done.
2) Luke "abandoning" his daughter. Explanation: Luke knew a target was painted on the backs of any and everyone associated with him, especially his daughter. He was left on Tatooine for protection. He wasn't abandoned. Sending his daughter as far away from him as possible was his attempt to protect her. A parent would literally do ANYTHING if it meant the safety of their child, even sending them away.
3) Jedi Celibacy. Explanation: Luke has no idea how the old Jedi Order worked. He is a different breed of Jedi. The "No love/attachments" rule is something he is unaware, of, and clearly, Yoda rethought that mentality, since he never mentions much of it in Empire Strikes Back, beyond telling Luke that if he wanted to honor what Han and Leia are fighting for, he'd let their fates play out as the will of the Force intended on Bespin. Yoda never tells Luke that he shouldn't outright love someone, only that more danger could come if he intervened and tried to save them. Even so, he let Luke choose his destiny himself. Luke decided to save them, and got owned, and Han got taken anyway. He didn't really effect events on Bespin at all (Leia and Chewie still got away, and Han still got captured. That would have happened without Luke's interference). Anakin was forced by the Jedi to abandon his emotional attachments. He was given no choice. It's no wonder he rebelled.
It's not messy at all. The mother of Luke Skywalker's child, while incredibly important, doesn't have to have much explanation for this new story to work. It adds another layer of depth and tragedy to Rey's life, that she barely knew her biological mother (assuming her memories have been blocked when she was sent away). We may get a glimpse of her mother when the flashback to her on Jakku is seen in its entirety (I can see them having another vision in Episode VIII).
She very well could be an unrelated to the Skywalker character, with Kylo being the Skywalker this trilogy is revolving around, but if she IS a Skywalker, it doesn't really complicate matters as laid out by Episode VII.
Future PhaZe
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Putting in all the chips for VIII with my hype. The bar for VIII is defeat ESB as the best SW film ever or at least match it.
The bar for IX is just to be better than the PT. It's really hard to end trilogies in a satisfying way.
it's kinda established though that in the star wars universe, if you're a "pilot" it means you can fly pretty much any ship no problem. Like Luke was in an x-wing for the first time in his life at the end of ANH, but it's cool because he's a "pilot"
Vincent4756
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Thanks!
He's directing it. Not writing it.
Theodoricos
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So is defeating two TIE Fighters equivalent to destroying the Death Star now?
Agreed.. surely there's more junk traders out there.
By that logic, the moisture farmers are slaves to Jawas who can name a price and sell faulty droids just because they're the only local business partner.
And that was Finn who was doing the shooting. Rey was just flying it.
lastplayed
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I'm pretty sure most people on GAF would be able to expertly fly the Falcon given the chance.
Because the setup is identical between the two? One throwaway line of dialog to justify their flying experience? Whatever, I'm done with this argument. I didn't realize it was already 4pm and time for the thread to circle back around to the Rey/pilot thing.
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Luke shoots a bunch of storm troopers in the Death Star even though he never shot people before. Can you say forced greatness?
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